EPT1 year since Life has been arrested - Page 15
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raff100
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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ProVoKe
Netherlands9 Posts
On February 06 2017 23:24 evolsiefil wrote: that is probably because there NOT plenty of players that deserve our (or mine at least) attention. not only was life the GOAT, he also stood out of the rest of the faceless pile of sc2 players with his non meta playstyle, his cockyness, in game bm and attitude in general. he was exactly what sc2 is lacking so dearly. charisma. players like life, idra, mc etc of which other games have dozens of but sc2 only had a handful during its whole existence. This! Im sorry but im so sick of people that are almost happy that he's banned lifetime. Really this guy made a stuppid mistake and got punished. But really lifetime ban? Pretty sick of these people that love these methods of punishing. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
Nobody ever kicks a dead dog son. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On February 07 2017 05:17 ProVoKe wrote: This! Im sorry but im so sick of people that are almost happy that he's banned lifetime. Really this guy made a stuppid mistake and got punished. But really lifetime ban? Pretty sick of these people that love these methods of punishing. Life's achievements are less those of the other top players. He isn't close to the GOAT or a bonjwa by any means. Do some research. MC/MVP are goat material. Life is not. Stop praising players that have helped create a bad reputation for the sc2 scene, it's not very becoming. Life=trash | ||
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ProVoKe
Netherlands9 Posts
On February 07 2017 06:38 ReachTheSky wrote: Life's achievements are less those of the other top players. He isn't close to the GOAT or a bonjwa by any means. Do some research. MC/MVP are goat material. Life is not. Stop praising players that have helped create a bad reputation for the sc2 scene, it's not very becoming. Life=trash Are you serious? You realize Life has won 10 Championships right? 10! He was by far the best zerg player in HotS. You're just purely looking at price money and trying to make a point with it. His unique style combined with insane mechanics made him the best zerg that ever played Sc2. How can you be so negative about him is beyond me. | ||
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BadHabits
Canada45 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On February 07 2017 05:17 ProVoKe wrote: This! Im sorry but im so sick of people that are almost happy that he's banned lifetime. Really this guy made a stuppid mistake and got punished. But really lifetime ban? Pretty sick of these people that love these methods of punishing. I dunno about other people, but the lifetime ban is a reflection of trust that was broken and can't be rebuilt again. Even if he came back, every time he makes a mistake or throws a game or betting lines around him move, people will raise eyebrows about whether he's match fixing again. Most professions share this view. If you steal, you'll be banned for life from ever managing other people's money. If you cheat, you'll be banned for life from professions where integrity and honesty are critical values to uphold. I don't wish Life badly and I wouldn't say he's a terrible person. He was a great player and a great personality. But he simply can't be involved in professional e-sports. If the e-sport can't survive without him, then it isn't going to survive anyways. | ||
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seopthi
393 Posts
On February 08 2017 11:44 coverpunch wrote: Most professions share this view. If you steal, you'll be banned for life from ever managing other people's money. If you cheat, you'll be banned for life from professions where integrity and honesty are critical values to uphold. In this thread are multiple examples of sportsmen who did doping/cheated and were given a second chance, i.e On February 06 2017 01:02 Ingvar wrote: In short, in a world where Justin Gatlin can win a gold medal in Athens, serve 4 years for taking PEDs and win bronze in London and silver in Rio afterwards, I see no reason why Life couldn't (or shouldn't) come back to play SC2 competitively. But mainly I'd recommend checking out NonY's post (#244) | ||
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JuanDi
45 Posts
On January 30 2017 06:52 DieuCure wrote: at 19y o you know what you do. He was good at this game, but 100% venal. He deserves his ban. The disband of kespas teams is partly due to him Not if you stopped going to school and moved out of your family house at like 14 to do intensive training every day at a teamhouse. Also, he had an addiction. People think being addictied to gambling is not a real thing, but it is a true disease that has comparable effects and consecuences to a drug addiction. I think KeSPA did right to ban him, but I still think it was too harsh and missed the main problem. It's not just about Life here. The gambling guilds (if they can be called that way) will find other ways of finding young, misguided players and convince them to matchfix for them. Banning Life will absolutely calm this for a while, but fear only goes so far, especially if it is not talked about. Once the incident has been forgotten, another Life, Prime or whatever you want to call it will happen. This is something that HAS to be talked about in order to avoid future incidents. Maybe let the guy stay banned, but for fucks sake I really hope they understand that players are also people who make mistakes and not just evil beings who want to bring down the scene and make money while doing so. | ||
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JuanDi
45 Posts
On February 07 2017 06:38 ReachTheSky wrote: Life's achievements are less those of the other top players. He isn't close to the GOAT or a bonjwa by any means. Do some research. MC/MVP are goat material. Life is not. Stop praising players that have helped create a bad reputation for the sc2 scene, it's not very becoming. Life=trash Life was actually one of the players that helped create a good reputaion for sc2, as his play was among the most entertaining to watch, and his out-of-game character was fun too. You must be either really new or really lost in the older past. The only player in sc2 history to have ever won more tournaments than Life is Taeja, but among those wins are a World Championship and 3 GSLs, of which Taeja has none. So if you do your research, yeah, maybe MC and MVP have won more money, but you can't deny that at the very least they are in the same tier when it comes to titles. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On February 08 2017 12:46 JuanDi wrote: Not if you stopped going to school and moved out of your family house at like 14 to do intensive training every day at a teamhouse. Also, he had an addiction. People think being addictied to gambling is not a real thing, but it is a true disease that has comparable effects and consecuences to a drug addiction. I think KeSPA did right to ban him, but I still think it was too harsh and missed the main problem. It's not just about Life here. The gambling guilds (if they can be called that way) will find other ways of finding young, misguided players and convince them to matchfix for them. Banning Life will absolutely calm this for a while, but fear only goes so far, especially if it is not talked about. Once the incident has been forgotten, another Life, Prime or whatever you want to call it will happen. This is something that HAS to be talked about in order to avoid future incidents. Maybe let the guy stay banned, but for fucks sake I really hope they understand that players are also people who make mistakes and not just evil beings who want to bring down the scene and make money while doing so. Stop making life out to be a victim here. Life knew what he was getting into dropping out of school signing up to be a "pro gamer" with zero guarantee. The fans/community is the victim in this circumstance. Life gets zero sympathy and deserves his punishment of being exiled from the community. THIS IS OLD NEWS.. It doesn't need to be talked about anymore. It happened a year ago. Everyone needs to let go of him and get over it. He isn't welcome back. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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manuk51a
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http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/15356948/chronicling-rise-fall-lee-life-seung-hyun "His old manager from Zenex, Yun Hee-Won, said Life had these problems during their time together, but the manger had taken steps to stop the player." "Once Life moved to the KT Rolster in February 2015, this was no longer the case. He was a 19-year-old who had $400,000 dollars and very little sense of responsibility and oversight." i don't know how much of this is accurate, but i'll take it. to the mods, sorry if my formatting is incorrect. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On February 06 2017 05:44 Kerence wrote: I am so tired of people posting stuff like "he went to jail for playing video games" or "It's just a game, how can you go to jail for that?" No, that is not what happened. He went to jail because he took money from organized gambling rings to throw his matches. Gambling is illegal in South Korea. Life broke the law by accepting illegal money to throw his games so he was punished by the law. I'm guessing the match fixing itself is probably also a crime, but I don't know anything about South Korean law. It's not like KeSPA took him to civil court with a lawsuit and that put him in jail (although they claimed they would do that to sue for damages), he was arrested by actual police and tried in a criminal court. And he was only in jail for two months while the investigation was ongoing and he was awaiting his sentence. After that he was fined and released with a suspended sentence. If you break the law you get punished, that's how the law works. You don't get a free pass from breaking the law by saying what you did didn't really matter. Now, you might argue that the sentence was to harsh and that's your personal opinion. Life even tried to appeal himself but it was dismissed. So unless there are any people in here who are experts on the South Korean justice system who can say otherwise, I'd say the sentence was just fine. yeah i said whatever laws are there are so stupid it boggles the mind. gambling should not be illegal, especially not video game gambling. bbbbbb...bbb.b.but gambling ruins lives some may protest. if people want to ruin their lives by gambling away all their money, well it sucks to be them, but making gambling illegal doesn't help anybody. i say personal accountability is a lost art, but even if you wanna argue that gambling is a disease, then these people should be treated. not punished. nor should the people facilitating the gambling be punished either. at the end of the day, life played video games and lost on purpose. i could not care less. that just means he lost when he could have won. nobody gets harmed except people who might've lost their life savings, but people wouldn't gamble their life savings on a video game, they'd do that at the roulette wheel. like way worse than throwing a match is naniwa probe rushing, because that game was not even remotely entertaining. at least throwing a match you have to put in the motions. if only life threw the finals vs MVP, then MVP would've gotten another gold. i'd have been happy in that case so because a country has misguided christian conservative principles and tries to prescribe morality to everyone by banning gambling, a poor kids life has been ruined. so stupid such a waste. all the people being self righteous in here are laughable | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On February 09 2017 20:28 fishjie wrote: yeah i said whatever laws are there are so stupid it boggles the mind. gambling should not be illegal, especially not video game gambling. bbbbbb...bbb.b.but gambling ruins lives some may protest. if people want to ruin their lives by gambling away all their money, well it sucks to be them, but making gambling illegal doesn't help anybody. i say personal accountability is a lost art, but even if you wanna argue that gambling is a disease, then these people should be treated. not punished. nor should the people facilitating the gambling be punished either. at the end of the day, life played video games and lost on purpose. i could not care less. that just means he lost when he could have won. nobody gets harmed except people who might've lost their life savings, but people wouldn't gamble their life savings on a video game, they'd do that at the roulette wheel. like way worse than throwing a match is naniwa probe rushing, because that game was not even remotely entertaining. at least throwing a match you have to put in the motions. if only life threw the finals vs MVP, then MVP would've gotten another gold. i'd have been happy in that case so because a country has misguided christian conservative principles and tries to prescribe morality to everyone by banning gambling, a poor kids life has been ruined. so stupid such a waste. all the people being self righteous in here are laughable And you are not self righteous, becuz? | ||
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ETisME
12541 Posts
It's a big risk for organisation to allow him to play. But everyone loves a redemption story. I know I would love to see him back as a player trying to reclaim his reputation. He had zero income for the whole year (correct me if i am wrong) , reputation tarnish, that's enough punishment as it is. | ||
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SKNielsen1989
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