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ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
January 29 2017 15:56 GMT
#381
On January 29 2017 21:30 saalih416 wrote:
BW is perfectly fine. Actually, it's perfect. Don't suggest balance changes to offset your lack of skill because that's all your doing. Look where that took SC2. Pros aren't complaining about the game so neither should you.


And you can always make your own BW mod on SC2. Please don't try to fix something that isn't broken.

Pros are not the only voice that matter, nor does making suggestions or simply discussing balance imply trying to offset lack of skill thx for your comment.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
January 29 2017 16:27 GMT
#382
You know the one thing blizzard will take away from this thread? That people want a balance patch for bw. But Blizzard believe that they know what their players want so they'll come up with what they believe to be a correct balance patch.
Maybe they'll have an intern read through this thread, presenting what most people seem to agree on to the designers, but even then they'll think "they don't know what's best, they are all biased towards their own race anyway". Even if they ask pros for their opinion they'll treat their feedback with the same mindset.
Does anyone here actually believe that the current blizzard is actually capable of doing a good balance patch? Because I sure as hell don't. The old blizzard brought the game to the point where it is and it has been doing just fine thus far with several huge shifts in matchups people believed to be unbalanced. Map balancing is also a great tool within brood war. The game was not in need of a patch in 2012 when OSL/PL ended and that hasn't changed now. Of course the meta is different now, blizzard forced all top players to switch after all. Now that they are back things will swing again so I'd say at least give it a year or so until everyone is truly back at their former level again.

Also let's just consider what the modern blizzard has done for brood war:
-sued kespa/ogn/mbc
-forced all kespa teams and osl/pl to switch to sc2
-cashed in on some sweet licensing money for every bw tournament with 5k+ prize pool

And where has that gotten things? OGN no longer does any starcraft 1 or 2, all former bw teams have disbanded and even pl is gone now. I guess them forcing Afreeca to let Tastosis cast ASL is the only good thing blizzard has done for BW since they did the blizzcon invitationals. And you guys honestly want them to make a balance patch!?
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-29 17:11:16
January 29 2017 17:05 GMT
#383
As if ideal balance is something that makes entertaining games.

Every time I see BW balance threads: "Chess is not balanced because black always start second, so white have a slight edge. I think we should buff black to fix this imbalance."

This thread is more like: "It's been a long time since chess appeared on Earth, isn't it time for a small change? Let's just give black two kings"
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
January 29 2017 17:15 GMT
#384
On January 29 2017 07:09 Ver wrote:
This thread is a great example of an sc2 mentality (where such thinking may have been justified) being mindlessly applied to BW (where it is not justified). BW's balance was incredible for a decade, but now suddenly it's supposedly worse than it was in 2011?

I guarantee the people complaining about ZvT balance aren't aware of the innovations that Savior made (tactically in his prime, and strategically after his prime), and aren't aware that there are some very strong ideas that when they have been haphazardly applied in the 2009-2011 era, led to decisive ZvT victories against players like Flash (i,e Effort/Flash HBR). Just because people don't do it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This isn't SC2 where the game is too strategically shallow to innovate further out than 6-12 months after a patch


I don't think it's fair to say sc2 is too strategically shallow to innovate further than 6-12 months because players never got the chance to innovate for a longer period. everytime something looks too strong it gets patched in under 6 months.

If the game would have been left untouched for 2-3 years we may have seen further innovations too.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
January 29 2017 19:18 GMT
#385
I found a really good video on patches, nerfs, and buffs by a Fighting Game Channel:



TLDW: Broken games can be super fun, but balance games can be really dull. If you have a game with slight imbalances, people who love the game will make rules around those problems. However, the end goal is that game has to be exciting and fun to play/watch. I feel like this video sums up why Blizzard failed at balancing SCII and why so many here feel that BW needs to be left alone.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-29 19:59:21
January 29 2017 19:58 GMT
#386
On January 30 2017 01:27 Lorch wrote:
You know the one thing blizzard will take away from this thread? That people want a balance patch for bw.


Dear Blizzard,

I know you're reading this, even though you don't respond and I sent you two letters in Autumn. You must not have got 'em, cuz sometimes I write addresses too sloppy when I jot 'em. But fuck it, what's been up, Blizzard? How's Overwatch doing? I'm learning to be a programmer too and I've got some ideas for games brewing. I know some people say this game is dead, but please don't take too much out of this balance thread. See, some people are just being some nerds and stuff, but the game is perfect enough that it don't need some nerfs and buffs. Some people think I'm snatched up by the past and I've grown-up too attached, but please don't go and do a balance patch. That'd just be fucked like some rabbits in a cabbage patch, and I'm secretly scared of 50% win rates and having average stats. Anyway, I hope you get to read this letter, I just hope it reaches you in time before you do some crazy shit. Yesterday, I read an article that made me sick; there was some strat in StarCraft 2 that used to be legit, and then someone nerfed it and it just turned to shit. Someone did it, but they didn't say who... come to think of it... it was you.

Damn.

p.s. - we should be together, too
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
January 29 2017 20:04 GMT
#387
That's the perfect note to close this thread on.

Thank you everyone for participating in our monthly balance discussion. See you all next time!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 29 2017 21:08 GMT
#388
lol ninazerg. As good time as any to close this thread seeing as it's run it's course.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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