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On April 11 2007 12:30 bine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2007 12:25 [angst]chraej wrote:shoot bine! your so right, i was so blinded by the fact that all blacks in the USA have been TOTALLY and irriversably short handed by slavery and they will all need the help of the white man to get back on their feet. Believe me, I recognize that your impulse to continue living off of other people's suffering and maintain relative wealth by getting jobs over more qualified black people is really virtuous, but something about it just doesn't feel right. I guess I'm naive, and don't understand how gritty your life is. On blindness: you betray your foolishness and lack of education when you say things like you are. and what about that retarded system known as "affirmative action" and WTF, no one is living as a slave to support anyone in the United States WHERE are black people suffering as a result of my "living off" the benefits i've reaped from them? books books books books books 
WTF kind of response is that? What book is giong to tell me what is occuring at present?
the past is written down because it ALREADY HAPPENED, no reason to dwell there.
Bine, people like you and your parents are the only ones perpetuating the effects of slavery in the United States, sure it was horrible but there is absolutely NO reason to continue to flounder around sucking welfare and pretending the country owes you b/c your ancestors got the shaft.
you say the USA is riding blacks? (some)blacks are riding the USA! for sure.
what about the American Indians?? if anything the people of the United States owe them WAY more than they owe the blacks that got shipped over. They lost an entire country.
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On April 11 2007 12:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2007 12:28 Orlandu wrote:On April 11 2007 12:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On April 11 2007 12:23 Orlandu wrote:
And that proves your point how? My point is it isnt the victims fucking fault they are being generalized by racial remarks. You saying "they should just learn to not perceive it that way" is so circular and so completely not the important issue it is slightly angering. How about, you preach the people who use this rhetoric work on understanding the offensive nature of said words and even become more sensitive to their peers? Why is it the victim or the subjugated that have to take the initiative? Why is it those that are in the minority that should fucking convert their comfort and dignity to FIT OUR racial insecurity? Who is insecure here? You're completely misunderstanding my entire point. I'm not saying they should just not perceive it that way. That's a completely different issue. I'm saying perception is the ROOT of this problem. And, if it ever hopes to get solved, that issue of perception needs to be addressed rather than ignored as many seem to want to do. I watch what I say, because I know how it offends people. But that doesn't mean I limit myself to that one perception. No i didnt misunderstand at all. "Perception" as the "root" of the problem is exactly what i am talking about. You are specifically speaking on the "perception" of the ones receiving the racial remarks. Not the "perception" of those giving the racial remarks. THAT is the crux of my point sir. I am beginning to see shreads of a lack of comprehension on your behalf, please try and actually refute my points rather than generalize it and massacre the points while shoving your own agenda. I clearly am speaking on your specification of "perception" I speak directly to that and state it is NOT the main issue. You ignore this and get confused..
If you're going to assume things and make points about me, at least get them right. Because as it is, YOU are the one ignoring things and getting confused and are attempting to discredit me rather than support your own points.
I'll make this clear: I'm speaking in very general terms about perception. Very general. Not specific. Not just towards those receiving those remarks, not just towards those making remarks. Everyone. That is MY main issue, maybe not yours. But it is mine, and that is where all of my statements come from. I'm sorry if you're trying to addressing something else. I'm not going to address another issue at this time, no matter what you say or do.
I'm going to stop spamming this thread and resign to letting you think I'm an idiot, and I'll do the same. I can live with that.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I am starting to see why several people said "I wanted to avoid this thread but..."
Some of the things said here are so horrendously depressing. Chraej are you really saying "they should get over slavery" ? And that if anything "Native Americans had it worse," EVEN IF that were some how provable, how THE FUCK does that logic apply? A person gets raped, do we go to them and are like, "Well at least you are alive, dont be a pussy. Its over." No, we dont do that. Every historical atrocity commands respect and tenderness for as long as it takes for that wound to heal. African Americans are disadvantaged in the US because of the couple hundred year hiccup they endured. While we were establishing economy, educating, owning land etc.. they were less than human in society's eyes. That hiccup will handicap them for a very fucking long time. They may have not "lived through it" (in reference to blacks today) but they sure as fuck feel it in almost every aspect of life. You cannot possibly understand that, and the fact you so ignorantly speak on it in such a tone is depressing. Grow up. People were offended, you making a stand on refusing to not use words that are racially harming to an entire race within our country is NOT THEIR fault or issue. It is your sir.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 11 2007 12:38 Orlandu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2007 12:32 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On April 11 2007 12:28 Orlandu wrote:On April 11 2007 12:25 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On April 11 2007 12:23 Orlandu wrote:
And that proves your point how? My point is it isnt the victims fucking fault they are being generalized by racial remarks. You saying "they should just learn to not perceive it that way" is so circular and so completely not the important issue it is slightly angering. How about, you preach the people who use this rhetoric work on understanding the offensive nature of said words and even become more sensitive to their peers? Why is it the victim or the subjugated that have to take the initiative? Why is it those that are in the minority that should fucking convert their comfort and dignity to FIT OUR racial insecurity? Who is insecure here? You're completely misunderstanding my entire point. I'm not saying they should just not perceive it that way. That's a completely different issue. I'm saying perception is the ROOT of this problem. And, if it ever hopes to get solved, that issue of perception needs to be addressed rather than ignored as many seem to want to do. I watch what I say, because I know how it offends people. But that doesn't mean I limit myself to that one perception. No i didnt misunderstand at all. "Perception" as the "root" of the problem is exactly what i am talking about. You are specifically speaking on the "perception" of the ones receiving the racial remarks. Not the "perception" of those giving the racial remarks. THAT is the crux of my point sir. I am beginning to see shreads of a lack of comprehension on your behalf, please try and actually refute my points rather than generalize it and massacre the points while shoving your own agenda. I clearly am speaking on your specification of "perception" I speak directly to that and state it is NOT the main issue. You ignore this and get confused.. If you're going to assume things and make points about me, at least get them right. Because as it is, YOU are the one ignoring things and getting confused and are attempting to discredit me rather than support your own points. I'll make this clear: I'm speaking in very general terms about perception. Very general. Not specific. Not just towards those receiving those remarks, not just towards those making remarks. Everyone. That is MY main issue, maybe not yours. But it is mine, and that is where all of my statements come from. I'm sorry if you're trying to addressing something else. I'm not going to address another issue at this time, no matter what you say or do. I'm going to stop spamming this thread and resign to letting you think I'm an idiot, and I'll do the same. I can live with that.
So you are speaking so generally that when it gets applied to the fucking topic of this thread it becomes extratopical to respond to you? That seems silly to me. If you are going to start this vague "perception" debate in a thread on how an ethnic populace "perceived" a comment and then get upset when someone mistakes you for discussing the topic at hand I would think you should remove yourself from the thread and go make a new one since your topic within this topic is so vague I cannot link it to the discussion at hand.
No but seriously, a discussion on "perception" about everything from everyone could really be a great topic. I perceive that it will be perceived kindly by other perceivers. Or do I?
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"angst": You don't know anything. You haven't really thought about anything related to any of these issues. Your entire political philosophy is one of convenience and purposeful self distraction. If African Americans or Native Americans were white, like, say, Jews, maybe we would relate to slavery and the extinction of Native Americans more like we do to the holocaust.
My parents aren't political at all about race relations. And if you have parents, they've done you a grave disservice by letting you drown in your own stupidity and complacency and racism.
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So the argument is that "nappy-headed hos" isn't racist because it's a stereotype, which is different from racism. Ok....
+ Show Spoiler +Stereotypes: Black Asian Native American Indian Muslim Jewish Mexican
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I have to agree with iNc. This topic is so incredibly depressing, and especially those people who insist on telling others what they should or should not be offended by.
Racism is a endemic stratifying societal problem in the United States, and the sooner we wake up to the fact that it hasn't been miraculously cured the better off we all are.
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yeah!
alright,
[QUOTE]On April 11 2007 12:39 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I am starting to see why several people said "I wanted to avoid this thread but..."
Chraej are you really saying "they should get over slavery" ?
yes, i know it sounds terrible but think about it, perpetuating the feelings which slavery created are not helping anyone, restrict it to the text books. I believe in equality, thats all.
[quote] And that if anything "Native Americans had it worse," EVEN IF that were some how provable, how THE FUCK does that logic apply? A person gets raped, do we go to them and are like, "Well at least you are alive, dont be a pussy. Its over." No, we dont do that. Every historical atrocity commands respect and tenderness for as long as it takes for that wound to heal. African Americans are disadvantaged in the US because of the couple hundred year hiccup they endured.
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see...i dont think this is true, Is there proof that ALL Blacks have been crippled in a way that puts them under White America? I dont want angry reproach, i want real answers.
[quote] While we were establishing economy, educating, owning land etc.. they were less than human in society's eyes. That hiccup will handicap them for a very fucking long time. [/quote]
how? i would say 90% or more of the black populace doesnt feel this sting unless it is stuck in them by their parents.
[quote]They may have not "lived through it" (in reference to blacks today) but they sure as fuck feel it in almost every aspect of life. You cannot possibly understand that, and the fact you so ignorantly speak on it in such a tone is depressing. Grow up. People were offended, you making a stand on refusing to not use words that are racially harming to an entire race within our country is NOT THEIR fault or issue. It is your sir.[/QUOTE]
words which blacks themselves use in pop culture and or casual conversation...which i cannot use because...why?
why wouldnt i make that stand? Are you saying i cannot use words others can because of my ethnicity?? are you saying that Free Speech, a value which the USA claims to hold so dear, is LIMITED to certain sects?? that only a select ethinic group can say certain things?
i am not the absurd one.
obviously i do not think it is right to offend people simply on a whim and for no reason, but the ideas behind some of the reasoning people are using is crazy.
+bine i'll assume you are just acting as comical relief.
[quote]I have to agree with iNc. This topic is so incredibly depressing, and especially those people who insist on telling others what they should or should not be offended by.
Racism is a endemic stratifying societal problem in the United States, and the sooner we wake up to the fact that it hasn't been miraculously cured the better off we all are.[/quote]
you have a good point, but i see no way to cure racism, ever.
unless people can put aside differences, and as radical as it may sound, forget about past grievances, i dont see how it is possible,
there are most def. those who will milk any reperation for as long as they live.
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These discussions completly spiral out of control on forums and people take cheap shots instead of arguing with the point 
I have just have one thing to say: in the second movie, he made the guy interviewing him look like an asshole and a liar. He kept bringing up stuff that he didn't say, then the spike lee reference he didn't seem to be able to wrap his head around, then he quoted more stuff that he didn't say :[
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On April 11 2007 13:13 [angst]chraej wrote:
are you saying that Free Speech, a value which the USA claims to hold so dear, is LIMITED to certain sects??
Freedom of speech protects you from government intervention and censorship. You cannot be forcibly silenced by the government. It doesn't prevent other free individuals from taking offense, retaliating, and censuring your speech. The freedom of speech does not make everything or anything you say acceptable in polite company. And the freedom of speech doesn't give your opinions or beliefs any validity, either, you have to earn that.
Because you have the freedom of speech, you can tell the Pope that the Virgin Mary manifested herself before you and performed fellatio on you and your dog before she ate her own shit, called the Pope's mother a whore, and vanished in a puff of hellfire. You could tell him that, but that doesn't mean he has to like it.
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the whole thing is just a product of reverse racism, sharpton could say anything he wanted about a white basketball team, yet he couldn't get in an ounce of trouble. that's not to say that i think imus' actions are justified though.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On April 11 2007 11:45 MYM.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2007 11:28 Rekrul wrote:On April 11 2007 10:56 MYM.Testie wrote:On April 11 2007 10:35 Rekrul wrote:On April 11 2007 10:29 MYM.Testie wrote:
Extra Extra! Old Jackass rambles on the Radio, gets far more attention than the story warrants!
Extra Extra! 3-time-convicted map hacker rambles on b.net and forums non stop about how he's the best player ever and gets more attention than warranted! JLIG. Maybe you should say that to the black people who are all riled over this. Slavery was over a hundred years ago. JLIG Al. ...? You're weird.
I was mocking you.
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...and the fricken irony is that the word racism is racist
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to me racist insults are in the same group as insulting someones mother.
would there have multiple news stories and discussion if he had said something about their mothers? it is likely.
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On April 11 2007 11:08 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2007 10:07 TheosEx wrote:
What Rekrul said has some truth to it. Anyone can take offense for "racial" remarks but it's mostly black people who do it, due to all the dumbasses like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson crying wolf everytime something happens. I'm sick and tired of black people blaming other people for "stratifying" and "bring them down."
Like they're the only group of people in this whole world that has ever been used as slaves and degraded. I understand that US customs basically make it more likely to happen, but seriously... get over it. lollll What pisses me off so much is the arrogant cynicalism in this topic. People like to say things like - "Person X SHOULDN'T take it so seriously, they should just roll with the punches! Not that I'm black or anything, but I'm sure I totally understand what it's like to be them!" Honestly, now. If they're offended, they're offended, and that's the end of the story. You think they shouldn't care, but you shouldn't presume to know more about what they should and shouldn't be offended by, considering they are also rational adult human beings. It's not your place, and it's incredibly arrogant to pretend to know how they "should" be thinking.
Wow. You're quite the smart one guy. I guess you haven't really read any of my previous post. Anyways, I guess I'll go back to my arrogant ways now.
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On April 11 2007 12:55 GrandInquisitor wrote:
This topic is so incredibly depressing, and especially those people who insist on telling others what they should or should not be offended by.
Racism is a endemic stratifying societal problem in the United States, and the sooner we wake up to the fact that it hasn't been miraculously cured the better off we all are.
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This is getting rediculous. You guys can't even agree on what the word means or how Imus was using it.
What seems pretty clear is that he didn't mean it as an insult and that he's not a racist person.
Can anyone here say that they were ACTUALLY offended by what he said? Even if i was black, i know i wouldn't be. And don't give me that bullshit "you don't know what its like" I've heard plenty of slurs that could apply to me and have far worse implications and not been offended.
What matters is the context, and although he made a big mistake by saying it, everyone is acting like this guy is KKK.
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Personally, Lx_Rogue, I wasn't offended when I heard it, but as a white male that's pretty normal, I think. It struck me as more sexist than racist, but but I did recognize that it was racist. However, if I were one of the basketball players he insulted, I think the comment would sting a good bit. I'd be angry in that situation.
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I have a random but somewhat related question:
If a Jewish boy came up to a German kid and accused him for being a Nazis, his whole race and background, and demanded compensation in anyway matter solely because of it. Should he? Should we give back all our damn establishments to the native Americas now, for after all, we put them in shitty little reserves and raped their land. That hundreds of years of white suppression in this country, although evil, had eventually shaped up to be the most influential democratic state in the 20th and into the 21st century?
How about, when a boy jokingly says he wants to kill his friend, but ends up taking it so seriously, he is sent into a lawsuit and cuffed? How about eating food "provocatively" issues a sexual harassment lawsuit, in the form as a full on insult?(shit like this happens in this country.)
Now sensitively levels differ from person to person, but this man bears no historical record for being a flaming racist, being put in the same group of people that actually hurt on racism. Actions are louder than words in my opinion, and it looks like the African American communit"ae" was insulted by the "racist remark" he didn't even want to go on to degrade the race. There are people, so much fucking worse that this, but no, no, white people gotta feel guilty what their kinsmen did and never forget. Always hold a degree of sensitivity to blacks, never fucking forget, and treat the whole damn race into your own arms. I mean c'mon, if you fucking care about racist remarks so much, go get get a rally, stop wasting precious time against this one man, protest against the White Society, Neo-Nazism, and the current KKK, the real fucking source of pure racism. Stop being a damn pussy over an implied remark that was never meant to explode out of this much proportion, trying to pull a single, insignificant little weed out of your lawn. Why? You expect everyone to be racially sensitive, national professionals, like this man, should act accordingly? Why not tell your own Black Panther group, to do the same? (But they never get media attention as this, racial justification?)
No, this is simply my opinion and should not be taken into mass consideration as the people who did this case with this radio guy. (That would be painfully ironic ._.)
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
If you hate all black girls but like black guys but you like white girls and white guys are you a racist or a sexist or both?
Or do you just hate loud skreeky voices?
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