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My issue is more with it pointing to a larger problem which is just simply that my guild doesn't seem to give a crap about killing this boss. For example, the people who can't be bothered to do their weekly M10 or AP grinds are the same people who are probably not analyzing logs or fixing mistakes after a raid night. This is most likely one of the biggest reasons we're entering our 4th week of Ghuun progression (post-nerf btw) tonight.
Exactly that. It's quite different from WOD where you could actually not log in for a week and lose no character power because there was literally nothing to do outside of raid hours for months at a time and you were taking care of raid stuff properly - ingame performance, recordings, logs and sims, strategy etc. The preparation to give it your 100% was almost all out of game.
The people who are raid logging throughout BFA are not pushing for the % power gains here and there and since they're not bothering to do that in-game they're probably not doing any of that out of game stuff either which all adds up in the end.
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On January 02 2019 14:48 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +My issue is more with it pointing to a larger problem which is just simply that my guild doesn't seem to give a crap about killing this boss. For example, the people who can't be bothered to do their weekly M10 or AP grinds are the same people who are probably not analyzing logs or fixing mistakes after a raid night. This is most likely one of the biggest reasons we're entering our 4th week of Ghuun progression (post-nerf btw) tonight. Exactly that. It's quite different from WOD where you could actually not log in for a week and lose no character power because there was literally nothing to do outside of raid hours for months at a time and you were taking care of raid stuff properly - ingame performance, recordings, logs and sims, strategy etc. The preparation to give it your 100% was almost all out of game. The people who are raid logging throughout BFA are not pushing for the % power gains here and there and since they're not bothering to do that in-game they're probably not doing any of that out of game stuff either which all adds up in the end.
Lets be honest though, it doesnt really matter whether the power gain loss is actually an issue because the loss is super negligible at this stage. I can assure you that the people who did the "preparation" to give 100% outside of game do whatever they need to in game aswell. Its very easily doable on a casual schedule anyway but even if you didnt its not a big deal.
And if anything raid logging is not a good thing. Atleast not when you havent cleared everything.
His real problem is that he is probably more dedicated to the game then the guild he is in, but then also has to use the guild as a stepping stone to gather experience to move on to better ones. Thats all there is to it.
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On January 03 2019 01:08 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2019 14:48 Cyro wrote:My issue is more with it pointing to a larger problem which is just simply that my guild doesn't seem to give a crap about killing this boss. For example, the people who can't be bothered to do their weekly M10 or AP grinds are the same people who are probably not analyzing logs or fixing mistakes after a raid night. This is most likely one of the biggest reasons we're entering our 4th week of Ghuun progression (post-nerf btw) tonight. Exactly that. It's quite different from WOD where you could actually not log in for a week and lose no character power because there was literally nothing to do outside of raid hours for months at a time and you were taking care of raid stuff properly - ingame performance, recordings, logs and sims, strategy etc. The preparation to give it your 100% was almost all out of game. The people who are raid logging throughout BFA are not pushing for the % power gains here and there and since they're not bothering to do that in-game they're probably not doing any of that out of game stuff either which all adds up in the end. Lets be honest though, it doesnt really matter whether the power gain loss is actually an issue because the loss is super negligible. I can assure you that the people who did the "preparation" to give 100% outside of game do whatever they need to in game aswell. Its very easily doable on a casual schedule. And if anything raid logging is not a good thing. Atleast not when you havent cleared everything.
Depends entirely on what you are missing. If 1/3 of his raid is missing their 3rd ring on all 3 pieces, that could be an extra 2k self hps on 6-8 people, which adds up if you are dying in phase 3 to attrition.
I dont think you should undervalue the neck level when progressing on mythic bosses. Yes the gain is very small once you unlock all rings, but it sounds like the issue is many people in that raid haven't unlocked even the 3rd rings in multiple pieces, so it can cause a bit more strain on your healers in the long run compared to having it.
No it won't ever fully replacing just playing better, but people should be in the 32-33 range at least if doing ghuun, thats 15 ilvls on big pieces of gear (5 for helm/chest/shoulder) on top of having an extra 10-12 for your neck.
I agree on raid logging not being a good thing if you haven't cleared the raid. Our raid cut back from 3 nights (3 hours each) to just 2 nights until BoD. So we now have a free night of 3 hours and I spend that getting mats/AP for next raid.
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On January 03 2019 01:17 Alventenie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2019 01:08 Rebs wrote:On January 02 2019 14:48 Cyro wrote:My issue is more with it pointing to a larger problem which is just simply that my guild doesn't seem to give a crap about killing this boss. For example, the people who can't be bothered to do their weekly M10 or AP grinds are the same people who are probably not analyzing logs or fixing mistakes after a raid night. This is most likely one of the biggest reasons we're entering our 4th week of Ghuun progression (post-nerf btw) tonight. Exactly that. It's quite different from WOD where you could actually not log in for a week and lose no character power because there was literally nothing to do outside of raid hours for months at a time and you were taking care of raid stuff properly - ingame performance, recordings, logs and sims, strategy etc. The preparation to give it your 100% was almost all out of game. The people who are raid logging throughout BFA are not pushing for the % power gains here and there and since they're not bothering to do that in-game they're probably not doing any of that out of game stuff either which all adds up in the end. Lets be honest though, it doesnt really matter whether the power gain loss is actually an issue because the loss is super negligible. I can assure you that the people who did the "preparation" to give 100% outside of game do whatever they need to in game aswell. Its very easily doable on a casual schedule. And if anything raid logging is not a good thing. Atleast not when you havent cleared everything. Depends entirely on what you are missing. If 1/3 of his raid is missing their 3rd ring on all 3 pieces, that could be an extra 2k self hps on 6-8 people, which adds up if you are dying in phase 3 to attrition. I dont think you should undervalue the neck level when progressing on mythic bosses. Yes the gain is very small once you unlock all rings, but it sounds like the issue is many people in that raid haven't unlocked even the 3rd rings in multiple pieces, so it can cause a bit more strain on your healers in the long run compared to having it. No it won't ever fully replacing just playing better, but people should be in the 32-33 range at least if doing ghuun, thats 15 ilvls on big pieces of gear (5 for helm/chest/shoulder) on top of having an extra 10-12 for your neck. I agree on raid logging not being a good thing if you haven't cleared the raid. Our raid cut back from 3 nights (3 hours each) to just 2 nights until BoD. So we now have a free night of 3 hours and I spend that getting mats/AP for next raid.
The reason I say the impact is neglible is because there are so many offsets from other sorts of power gains from gear/nerfs etc. But yeah In theory sure that extra 2-10k hps shields, armour benefits are helpful, self heal is helpful Having more EHP is never a bad thing anywhere ofcourse it helps. Everything helps. As Cyro said it all adds up.
Bottom line though is that someone has to really go out of their way in terms of playing the game to achieve such low levels at this point and thats not really a recipe for a CE raider period. Thats someone expecting to get carried. Doesnt matter if its WOD, Legion BFA or what have you. I wouldnt pin down people not doing their weekly 10 or not doing their emissaries as "the" reason. They are symptoms of the much larger problem of people not being good and not caring. I am confident that his struggles would remain even if they did have the azerite levels and did the weekly 10.
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I am a hyper casual who has only run 1 dungeon and maybe done 5 emissaries the last few weeks and I am at 33 so idek how you can be sub 30 at this point.
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On January 03 2019 03:36 Slaughter wrote:
I am a hyper casual who has only run 1 dungeon and maybe done 5 emissaries the last few weeks and I am at 33 so idek how you can be sub 30 at this point.
Well just imagine that instead of doing that you did 0 dungeons and 0 emissaries 
But yea as some of you are saying not grinding M+/AP/whatever is one of those things that is really just a minor issue, although the bigger problem is obviously just the overall lack of motivation which is stopping us in our tracks.
On another note I just had a successful interview with a new guild so I guess my issues have been solved. Talking more to my current GM it's looking like they definitely aren't raiding next tier anyway. Unless they have a successful recruitment drive.
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NA guilds do interviews? Interesting. What do they ask?
We just have a basic google drive doc and if you seem like a competent raider in your answers you get a trial.
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I'd assume top tiers do them. Others probably to weed out really weird or bm people.
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NA guilds do interviews? Interesting. What do they ask?
Lots of people do em in EU as well, it's easier and more direct than writing out an app IMO
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On January 03 2019 17:53 Laurens wrote:
NA guilds do interviews? Interesting. What do they ask?
We just have a basic google drive doc and if you seem like a competent raider in your answers you get a trial.
There was an application process as well. The interview was mostly just for them to ask extra questions or have me clarify stuff from the application. And of course to allow me to ask them questions as well. It was fairly informal, and from what I can tell it’s normal for most guilds that are at least somewhat serious in NA. There are guilds that treat it like a legitimate job interview as well, but they aren’t the majority (seriously some guilds have insane recruiting practices).
TBH I think at the minimum having a quick talk is necessary, or at least preferable for me. It really allows them to see that you aren’t obnoxious/annoying and that you have the ability to communicate with a working mic. I also got to ask about their goals, leadership, and just get an overall feel of what their GM/officers are like as people.
edit: my last guild didn’t have an interview or application. Literally just added the raid leader and asked if they needed a Rogue
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On January 03 2019 17:53 Laurens wrote:
NA guilds do interviews? Interesting. What do they ask?
We just have a basic google drive doc and if you seem like a competent raider in your answers you get a trial.
This is pretty common now. Back in the day it was totally about how good your app was in good guilds and the decision was made. Now your average 3 day guild might not even ask you to apply just send your logs and armoury fill in a questionare and then the majority of the discussion is in an interview.
Again the nature of the questions is the same as anything you would find on an app template and varies by guild.
But generally its like that.
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Guild I am in (I got recruited through a friend to it) had an informal interview and we are world ~580. They asked a few questions and had some comments, I asked a few questions regarding stuff for them and the guilds goals.
Overall its not uncommon since its more about are you a good fit to the social atmosphere than are you just a good raider.
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Yeah forgot to mention the recruit a friend is a pretty common one aswell.
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Blizzard just lost their chief financial officer after Activision fired theirs a few days ago, stuffs getting stirred up a lot right now.
It's also insane IMO that some of these guys were (and are) measuring their salary in the tens of millions of USD per year while cutting salaries across the lower end of the company and firing hundreds of people to reduce operating expenses
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If they could produce and maintain good games, I don’t care if they lay people off when their monthly active users drop and still pay top dollar for executives.
Lately, somethings off with the games part. I hope it’s just a cold and not some terminal disease.
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The maintaining has really been an issue, when they fired a bunch of CS the quality went way downhill and never recovered
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Just a note that the CFO who left Blizzad had been there since March of last year (~9 months) and 8 years in Activision Blizzard before that. She clearly had a specific job to do for the little time she spent at Blizzard. e.g figuring out how to cut costs.
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I’ll take anyone that has an informative comment, giugn. I had no idea that the fired CFO hadn’t even completed a year with the division.
Even if I can’t reach a conclusion on his assertion, I do appreciate finding the shades of grey opposed to pure-black evil and white good. It doesn’t make the result fanfiction or doing it for kicks.
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