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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 19 2016 19:06 GMT
#1001
Inflation itself has put the prices up though right? I mean English sub is £9.99 as of 12 months ago? to bring us in-line with inflation to everyone else, expansion price is still "not bad" right? It is like £30 / $40 for regular editions?

But of course for what you get it only seems little, but when i compared it to paying £40 for FIFA/COD/The Division and only play them for 1-2 months then stop i kinda think ok WoW was worth it. However that is just me, the only games i continuously play is Dota 2.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22422 Posts
April 19 2016 19:39 GMT
#1002
The sub price was raised for the UK I believe but that only put it in line with the rest because of exchange rates (I think).

The expansion price has gone up for WoD and Legion but in exchange for getting a character boost to max level which I don't like. Yeah its nice for returning players but if your not interested in the boost there is no option without it for the old price.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 19 2016 19:41 GMT
#1003
True that is a good point.
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4209 Posts
April 19 2016 19:51 GMT
#1004
On April 19 2016 18:01 Emnjay808 wrote:
What are the logistics of a legit Vanilla WoW server happening? Ive recently been on a binge on old school blizzard games and it would be amazing if I could do the same for Vanilla as well.

Should I be optimistic or is Blizzard gonna just gonna strong arm retail WoW as the only viable option?


I don't know... it really depends on the mood of them I guess? On a technical point, it wouldnt be the hardest thing in the world, on a PR standpoint, it might be super unlikely because they dont want to take the focus & attention away from Legion.

On April 19 2016 04:22 ref4 wrote:
why do people complain about content drought? just unsub until the new expansion hits, resub, play for a month or two, unsub and rinse and repeat? Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to continue subscription through the content drought.



I think it sucks to have a favorite game that you have to say goodbye for a long time. Especailly when you might have friends + guild communities on there.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20333 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-20 15:10:06
April 19 2016 20:30 GMT
#1005
WoW expansion and subscription price actually dropped over the last decade when you consider inflation. The amount of content and support dropped way more than the price, though.

There's a clear difference in attitude between developing TBC and developing WOD. I think that the "we'll take care of pressing issues in the next expansion" attitude might have worked alright if they could drop in 7-9 months, but just not 15. WOD was taken off life support 10 months ago, it's not like it has been under active maintainence
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-30 09:50:02
April 30 2016 09:48 GMT
#1006
So yesterday I got an offer to resurrect my account from blizz, with warlords of draenor expansion for free, a lv 90 char boost and 7 days of gametime. ok. logged into account, upgraded it, then it went along the lines of:
- logged, game freeze during some cutscene (top notch computer).
- relog, boosted a mage to 90, game freeze when entering blasted lands portal.
- relog, queued for bg's with my old lv 90 hunter, upon entering the bg, game froze again.
- relogged into my alt 90 paladin, managed to count like 5 different bugs in a few minutes in the interface.

i can play any other game for days without any issue whatsoever. Whats up with that Blizz? Did you switch all devs that actually deliver quality, to other products and put some students/interns to bugfix wow, who fix a bug and create other two? Sincerely hope they know what unit testing means.

and i feel the game has been severely dumbed down. I remember the good ol days when WoW was an absolute joy, because of the plethora of spells and finegrained talent adjustments that gave you the edge and a lot of choice to play with; it was a time of experimentation and lots of fun.

very disappointed with what wow has become today. will not be buying legion for sure
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
April 30 2016 09:55 GMT
#1007
On April 30 2016 18:48 xtorn wrote:
So yesterday I got an offer to resurrect my account from blizz, with warlords of draenor expansion for free, a lv 90 char boost and 7 days of gametime. ok. logged into account, upgraded it, then it went along the lines of:
- logged, game freeze during some cutscene (top notch computer).
- relog, boosted a mage to 90, game freeze when entering blasted lands portal.
- relog, queued for bg's with my old lv 90 hunter, upon entering the bg, game froze again.
- relogged into my alt 90 paladin, managed to count like 5 different bugs in a few minutes in the interface.

i can play any other game for days without any issue whatsoever. Whats up with that Blizz? Did you switch all devs that actually deliver quality, to other products and put some students/interns to bugfix wow, who fix a bug and create other two? Sincerely hope they know what unit testing means.

and i feel the game has been severely dumbed down. I remember the good ol days when WoW was an absolute joy, because of the plethora of spells and finegrained talent adjustments that gave you the edge and a lot of choice to play with; it was a time of experimentation and lots of fun.

very disappointed with what wow has become today. will not be buying legion for sure


I'm sure Blizzard will miss you!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-30 10:45:13
April 30 2016 10:44 GMT
#1008
On April 30 2016 18:55 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 18:48 xtorn wrote:
So yesterday I got an offer to resurrect my account from blizz, with warlords of draenor expansion for free, a lv 90 char boost and 7 days of gametime. ok. logged into account, upgraded it, then it went along the lines of:
- logged, game freeze during some cutscene (top notch computer).
- relog, boosted a mage to 90, game freeze when entering blasted lands portal.
- relog, queued for bg's with my old lv 90 hunter, upon entering the bg, game froze again.
- relogged into my alt 90 paladin, managed to count like 5 different bugs in a few minutes in the interface.

i can play any other game for days without any issue whatsoever. Whats up with that Blizz? Did you switch all devs that actually deliver quality, to other products and put some students/interns to bugfix wow, who fix a bug and create other two? Sincerely hope they know what unit testing means.

and i feel the game has been severely dumbed down. I remember the good ol days when WoW was an absolute joy, because of the plethora of spells and finegrained talent adjustments that gave you the edge and a lot of choice to play with; it was a time of experimentation and lots of fun.

very disappointed with what wow has become today. will not be buying legion for sure


I'm sure Blizzard will miss you!

have i even implied that i care for that, or do you just have a bad day and feel like trolling. i got an offer per email, i tried it, posted an opinion ontopic, end of story. why do you even have to spread garbage is beyond me
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22422 Posts
April 30 2016 10:53 GMT
#1009
On April 30 2016 18:48 xtorn wrote:
So yesterday I got an offer to resurrect my account from blizz, with warlords of draenor expansion for free, a lv 90 char boost and 7 days of gametime. ok. logged into account, upgraded it, then it went along the lines of:
- logged, game freeze during some cutscene (top notch computer).
- relog, boosted a mage to 90, game freeze when entering blasted lands portal.
- relog, queued for bg's with my old lv 90 hunter, upon entering the bg, game froze again.
- relogged into my alt 90 paladin, managed to count like 5 different bugs in a few minutes in the interface.

i can play any other game for days without any issue whatsoever. Whats up with that Blizz? Did you switch all devs that actually deliver quality, to other products and put some students/interns to bugfix wow, who fix a bug and create other two? Sincerely hope they know what unit testing means.

and i feel the game has been severely dumbed down. I remember the good ol days when WoW was an absolute joy, because of the plethora of spells and finegrained talent adjustments that gave you the edge and a lot of choice to play with; it was a time of experimentation and lots of fun.

very disappointed with what wow has become today. will not be buying legion for sure

The freezes is you, not the game.
"Finegrained talent adjustments", we are talking about 10% more frostbolt damage and 3% more crit cookie cutter talents here right?
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-30 10:57:50
April 30 2016 10:56 GMT
#1010
yea the freezing just might be caused by the fact that the game did not complete downloading and it kept doing so in the background so youre probably right there

yes cookie cutter talents was what i meant. i feel it was more fun when specs were more complex
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
April 30 2016 12:21 GMT
#1011
On April 20 2016 01:33 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2016 22:36 Seuss wrote:
On April 19 2016 12:48 ref4 wrote:
On April 19 2016 06:12 IntoTheEmo wrote:
On April 19 2016 04:22 ref4 wrote:
why do people complain about content drought? just unsub until the new expansion hits, resub, play for a month or two, unsub and rinse and repeat? Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to continue subscription through the content drought.



This is a terrible mindset. Way to let Blizzard walk all over your wallet. Criticism is always good. Or do you want Legion to be WoD 2.0?


well I did voted with my wallet by cancelling my sub when there was a content drought and re-sub when the new expansion dropped.

Like I said, Blizzard isn't forcing you to sub for life. Don't like the way the game is headed? Unsub. Easy as that.


Consider the complaints equivalent to exit-interviews. People want Blizzard to know why they're unsubbing instead of leaving it up to Blizzard to simply guess.


Blizzard also actively asks for this information. They give you a questionaire on the subscription cancel page, but posts allow for more info

Show nested quote +
Yeah like with LK expansion they filled the last raid they did with new dungeons that is all you need on top of a new raid to keep people feeling new. Rather we had 3 year waits for expansions if we had 2 new raids every year.


I got a friend into the game at early LK and i was terrible at the game then. I was one of probably millions of players pugging and playing ICC in low end to midrange guilds.

I hadn't cleared TOTC HC until after 3.3 and they made it substantially easier, but still relevant (dps did not triple between tier 9 and tier 10)

I hadn't cleared most of icecrown citadel even once until halfway through the patch cycle (when ruby sanctum got released). Not just because of my ineptitude, but because of the games design. It was a slow progression of killing more bosses on average over weeks, some locked wings etc.

World content was better, old raids & gear scaling was a lot better which made running them again and playing alts more fun compared to today. They added three 5-mans in 3.3, two of which were my favourite in the whole game at the time and remain top 5's to this day.

Content drought before and after WOD is the 2 longest droughts in the history of the game, a lot bigger than before and after WOTLK - an expansion that had twice as many raid tiers as WOD and was as good or better in nearly every other important metric, IMO.


idk how you liked the three 3.3 dungeons, they were pretty straight forward if i remember correctly (weren't they the quarry with all the slaves in it, the one on the side of ICC where Arthas chases you, and then the other one which i can't describe to save my life??? I always thought that wrath's best dungeons were the troll ones personally.. maybe also that one at the bottom of the Nexus in boring tundra.. as far as raids go, as far as im concerned, wrath only had icc and ulduar.. naxx was a reskin, which was retarded, and ToC was literally just a single room for the most part... ICC was great because it was iconic, ulduar was great because it was something completely unexpected and involved the old gods.

compared to BC though, i thought wrath was barebones raiding wise.. from Kara to SSC to TK to hyjal to bt to sunwell, i can't think of a single boring major raid in the whole expansion.. not to mention magister's terrace was my favorite dungeon in the entire game, although there were a lot of good ones in vanilla and bc to compete with it.. scholo is cool, mara is cool, deadmaul, strat, caverns of time, brd.. i feel like everything past bc lacked character and soul, other than icc and ulduar as mentioned above..
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18863 Posts
April 30 2016 13:47 GMT
#1012
I miss Diremaul tribute runs
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 30 2016 14:17 GMT
#1013
On April 30 2016 19:56 xtorn wrote:
yea the freezing just might be caused by the fact that the game did not complete downloading and it kept doing so in the background so youre probably right there

yes cookie cutter talents was what i meant. i feel it was more fun when specs were more complex


ya freezing comes if you jump right into it, when it says the game is now playable. I love Blizzard for that feature. But you will lag n crash.
And ha tryed WoW when it came out and was like: "wow this game is super simplyfied compared to the mmo I am playing! And wow you can even do skill resets ! How easymode is that!"

And now everyone is doing it just like WoW. Well except my MMO that remade the mechanics to be simpler and managed to make it even more complex >.> . We dead soon though Blade and Soul was the true RO killer (well and corrupt Game Masters)
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
May 01 2016 08:47 GMT
#1014
On April 30 2016 19:44 xtorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2016 18:55 Arnstein wrote:
On April 30 2016 18:48 xtorn wrote:
So yesterday I got an offer to resurrect my account from blizz, with warlords of draenor expansion for free, a lv 90 char boost and 7 days of gametime. ok. logged into account, upgraded it, then it went along the lines of:
- logged, game freeze during some cutscene (top notch computer).
- relog, boosted a mage to 90, game freeze when entering blasted lands portal.
- relog, queued for bg's with my old lv 90 hunter, upon entering the bg, game froze again.
- relogged into my alt 90 paladin, managed to count like 5 different bugs in a few minutes in the interface.

i can play any other game for days without any issue whatsoever. Whats up with that Blizz? Did you switch all devs that actually deliver quality, to other products and put some students/interns to bugfix wow, who fix a bug and create other two? Sincerely hope they know what unit testing means.

and i feel the game has been severely dumbed down. I remember the good ol days when WoW was an absolute joy, because of the plethora of spells and finegrained talent adjustments that gave you the edge and a lot of choice to play with; it was a time of experimentation and lots of fun.

very disappointed with what wow has become today. will not be buying legion for sure


I'm sure Blizzard will miss you!

have i even implied that i care for that, or do you just have a bad day and feel like trolling. i got an offer per email, i tried it, posted an opinion ontopic, end of story. why do you even have to spread garbage is beyond me


You just sounded so entitled that I thought you might think Blizzard would care. Also, the freezing has to do with your computer, because most people doesn't experience this.

I recommend you try a vanilla server
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 04:26:58
May 11 2016 04:22 GMT
#1015
I've seen so many people criticize the classes for being "dumbed down", it's so far from the truth. There are less buttons on your bar, but so much less redundancy and there are many more conditional abilities that need to be applied correctly. Compare these to the wooden rotations that used to be optimal, hell you used to be best off macroing your rotation.

I still remember the day I learned how to properly use Fire and Brimstone on my Destro Lock. It was like a lightbulb going off. It was far more involved than anything I'd done in my first stint in WoW (Vanilla, TBC, WOTLK). As much as having no new content has made the end of this expansion tiring, I'm still enjoying something as simple as LFR because I'm still some way off optimising my play.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
May 11 2016 07:09 GMT
#1016
from a hunters perspective, every spec got worse - mm rework was not needed, the spec is just shit mechanically. bm is a brainless clusterfuck - mechanically even my grandma could play it and if tuned right could do dps. sv plays like enhancer back in wotlk, which worked back in the day with raid mechanics designed to be handled by really shitty players - its not gonna work in this day and age. fury of the eagle..gotta stand still for 4s, yea right, blowing up the raid at chromatic anomaly sure sounds like a good idea.

(i am kinda triggered cuz my class went to shit and is reduced to 2 "viable" raidspecs - yes sv is viable in normal / hc raids, i aint going to see playtime in mythic as it stands right now as sv if u are in a top 20 raid) from what i ve heard from fellow hunters in discord no one who actually can play their hunter is gonna play that spec for that matter ~_~
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Lugh
Profile Joined February 2013
36 Posts
May 11 2016 07:56 GMT
#1017
I feel like it got streamlined too much. I still remember vividly trying the library in classic as a group of Warlock, Hunter, Rogue. It nearly worked. We just wiped in the last corridor and the mobs already respawned. Hunter could tank, rogue sapped and I as a Warlock healed (with stone), ccd with succubus or tanked with voidwalker. And thanks to that one curse that got removed mobs couldn't even run away.

I doubt a group like that would work nowadays.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10146 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 09:40:56
May 11 2016 09:40 GMT
#1018
It would work because you would just faceroll that content.

And the guy must be joking, or he really should try to play an arms warrior to see the shallow shell the class has been turned into for streamlining's sake.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22422 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 09:48:34
May 11 2016 09:46 GMT
#1019
On May 11 2016 16:09 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
from a hunters perspective, every spec got worse - mm rework was not needed, the spec is just shit mechanically. bm is a brainless clusterfuck - mechanically even my grandma could play it and if tuned right could do dps. sv plays like enhancer back in wotlk, which worked back in the day with raid mechanics designed to be handled by really shitty players - its not gonna work in this day and age. fury of the eagle..gotta stand still for 4s, yea right, blowing up the raid at chromatic anomaly sure sounds like a good idea.

(i am kinda triggered cuz my class went to shit and is reduced to 2 "viable" raidspecs - yes sv is viable in normal / hc raids, i aint going to see playtime in mythic as it stands right now as sv if u are in a top 20 raid) from what i ve heard from fellow hunters in discord no one who actually can play their hunter is gonna play that spec for that matter ~_~

And this is new how?

Don't get me wrong, I would love for all specs to be viable at the cutting edge but that has never happened and will probably never happen (atleast not with the diversity WoW has).

There has always been unviable specs for true high end raiding, be it frost mages, survival hunters, subtlety rogues or holy priests.

Your triggered because you went down to 2 viable mythic specs?
Give me a fucking break, look at the history of wow, even the recent history and look at the classes that struggled to have even a single semi decent high end mythic spec...
Damn cry babies.


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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-11 13:03:58
May 11 2016 13:03 GMT
#1020
In terms of endgame raiding there are specs that have almost never been viable endgame because Blizzard nerfs them to the ground if they start to outperform the pure DPS (ret/shadow/ele/enh suffer from this)

Despite that pure DPS whine just as much if not more than other classes
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