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BfA Community Links: GP : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/KKMpKPSlgd?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/v9x5bAF3jD?region=EU&faction=Horde TLEUA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/ALwgJnC5Wo?region=EU&faction=Alliance TLNAH : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/vPrmjJxiVnJ?region=US&faction=Horde TLNAA : https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/invite/YeZj7P0SXLn?region=US&faction=Alliance Bnet: Bnet - https://blizzard.com/invite/amvLM0EubJv On November 03 2016 06:57 GTR wrote: I've created a Google Form/Spreadsheet for people to help add eachother. Hopefully this will makes things easier for us to find people for Mythic+ runs and what not as opposed to sifting through 150+ pages of discussion. Form Spreadsheet If a moderator could add this as a moderator note at the top it'd be appreciated. | ||
Pandemona
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TomatoBisque
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lestye
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On February 26 2016 01:13 TomatoBisque wrote: Sooooo, what's everyone's opinion on the Chronicles book? I love what I see so far. The art is , as always, amazing. I can't wait to see more of it. I hope they take this opportunity and make everything a solid foundation, because they retcon like crazy. I can't wait for it because it seems like that book is going to have more meaningful impact than this expansion (WoD) by tenfold. | ||
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zev318
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Seuss
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I used to be a huge Warcraft lore nerd but the novels and Blizzard's half-assed treatment of lore within the game itself killed that off. I could deal with lorelol, but when Nozdormu suddenly returned with zero fanfare after we spent multiple expansions trying to discover what happened to him I gave up. On February 26 2016 01:35 zev318 wrote: why even complain about content? there's no way that they can come out with content faster than the playerbase goes through it. its just a given. My complaint is that the content doesn't last as long as it used to. Raids last roughly as long as they have since WotLK, maybe a little shorter, but there's no longer much in the way of supporting content for raiders. It's all been streamlined out, and questing takes less time than ever. I did a comparison a while back and while the number of quests per zone in WotLK wasn't particularly higher than WoD, but the quests themselves took longer. There was more traveling, less overlap, and objectives that required more time to complete. There were also more zones to spare, so there was plenty of room to keep questing even after the level cap. These days I have significantly less time to invest in the game, but despite that I still hit the level cap four times faster in WoD than in WotLK. I'm not significantly better at the game now than I was then (in fact, back then I was curating the Warrior FAQ on EJ), so that's fairly telling. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
I used to be a huge Warcraft lore nerd but the novels and Blizzard's half-assed treatment of lore within the game itself killed that off. I could deal with lorelol, but when Nozdormu suddenly returned with zero fanfare after we spent multiple expansions trying to discover what happened to him I gave up. They're doing the same thing with Neptulon in Legion. Shamans just randomly summon him and he's free from Azshara yay. I don't really feel like the lore has gotten worse because Blizzard cares less, they've always ran on a "We think this is cool so it's going to happen" logic. But as time goes on this sort of thing exposes itself as they change things because "Oh this would be cool," and since this is an MMO there is a status quo that must be maintained. But, if you take plotlines as insulated within their own bubble, a lot of them are quite interesting, as is the setting in general. | ||
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Cyro
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Grettin
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Seuss
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You're correct that the plotlines are interesting, which is why it's extremely frustrating that entire acts of the story are skipped without in-game explanation. Nozdormu shows up because reasons, Garrosh goes back in time because a dragon-wizard did it, and Ozumat was taking a nap so Neptulon snuck away. When Blizzard short-circuits these stories I'm already invested in I feel cheated, and it detracts severely from whatever awesome thing they're trying to do. | ||
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lestye
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I don't mind those at all, but it really sucks when they do something really dumb and risky and drop the ball. Like the whole premise of WoD. It sounds stupid but I went thinking "You know what? This is just their way of getting the casual audience to fall in love with the super old characters that already died. Its a cheap of way of getting them all back in one place, but I'm willing to ignore that and just go along for the ride and just enjoy the characters" and then they drop the ball ROYALLY on the characters. I at least was expecting "dumb premise, but we get to hang out and fight these epic characters, so it evens out" Nope. What they did with Ogrim and other characters, after getting a fresh clean slate to bring them into the fold was just....disappointing. The Neptulon thing didn't really bother me much,I didn't really expect them to be able to touch that at all since I can't imagine us going back into Vasjir or an underwater zone anytime soon. I can easily let that slide, there's a lot of other worse places they've dropped the ball. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22702 Posts
On February 26 2016 03:02 lestye wrote: They've always had the problem with like, they don't really know how a story is going to develop + end years down from the road, so there's a lot of aborted arcs and like characters/events we haven't heard from in years. I don't mind those at all, but it really sucks when they do something really dumb and risky and drop the ball. Like the whole premise of WoD. It sounds stupid but I went thinking "You know what? This is just their way of getting the casual audience to fall in love with the super old characters that already died. Its a cheap of way of getting them all back in one place, but I'm willing to ignore that and just go along for the ride and just enjoy the characters" and then they drop the ball ROYALLY on the characters. I at least was expecting "dumb premise, but we get to hang out and fight these epic characters, so it evens out" Nope. What they did with Ogrim and other characters, after getting a fresh clean slate to bring them into the fold was just....disappointing. Or they do create interesting characters that could stay with us for multiple expansions and then drop them with no word (Yrel). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
If you ever need us, we will be here and such that the players are hearing once or twice a week | ||
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lestye
United States4280 Posts
On February 26 2016 03:06 Gorsameth wrote: Or they do create interesting characters that could stay with us for multiple expansions and then drop them with no word (Yrel). That's another thing I wish they worked on more... I feel that they need to make up, and build more characters for the franchise, including more story oriented patch quests (that doesn't necessarily have to do with the raid tier). I play Final Fantasy XIV and they do a great job at pushing the story forward and pushing EVERYONE's story forward. (That's why I really liked Cataclysm because it forced them to take a tally and push EVERYONE's story forward). Right now it feels like WoW hasn't developed TOO many characters that people are in awe over. We kinda have to pull from Warcraft 2 or 3 whenever we want something cool to get nerdchills over. Like, there's not many WoW exclusive characters you can put into a cinematic trailer to get people hyped up for something. Like Arthas, Illidan, and the WC3 gang pushes the hype, and I wish we had more WoW chararacters that could also deliver on that. If they were able to make a fan favorite like Kael in a short expansion, we should have more fan favorite characters over 11 years of WoW, if that makes sense. Maybe Wrathion/Anduin and a few others can be developed to be that grand of a scale. Essentially I wish we had more characters that hit the stride of those big classics. | ||
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Pandemona
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lestye
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On February 26 2016 03:15 Pandemona wrote: GG paragon! Guess "the race" in next expansion be interesting :-< Give Context!!!! https://www.paragon.fi/news/end-of-the-road | ||
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Teoita
Italy12248 Posts
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TomatoBisque
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Gorsameth
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On February 26 2016 03:14 lestye wrote: That's another thing I wish they worked on more... I feel that they need to make up, and build more characters for the franchise, including more story oriented patch quests (that doesn't necessarily have to do with the raid tier). I play Final Fantasy XIV and they do a great job at pushing the story forward and pushing EVERYONE's story forward. (That's why I really liked Cataclysm because it forced them to take a tally and push EVERYONE's story forward). Right now it feels like WoW hasn't developed TOO many characters that people are in awe over. We kinda have to pull from Warcraft 2 or 3 whenever we want something cool to get nerdchills over. Like, there's not many WoW exclusive characters you can put into a cinematic trailer to get people hyped up for something. Like Arthas, Illidan, and the WC3 gang pushes the hype, and I wish we had more WoW chararacters that could also deliver on that. If they were able to make a fan favorite like Kael in a short expansion, we should have more fan favorite characters over 11 years of WoW, if that makes sense. Maybe Wrathion/Anduin and a few others can be developed to be that grand of a scale. Essentially I wish we had more characters that hit the stride of those big classics. Yep and WoD is another symptom of that. WoW did to little to push a story itself and kept leaning on what came before. TBC being all about Illidan, Wotlk about Arthus, Cata about deathwing, MoP was a bit more original and led to Garrosh which leads into WoD but then gets dropped instantly for a Warcraft 2 nostalgia trip. And now with Legion we are again going back to Gul'dan and Illdian. After 5 expansions the only character we have that travels through it that was a WoW creation is Wrathion. Its been more then 10 years. WoW's story should not still be leaning entirely on Warcraft 2+3. It should have developed its entire own cast of heroes and villains that players have an interest in. As for Paragon. Second time they died in a way (the first being when they went 10m). They tried to get back this expansion but I guess it's just not viable to keep going as a purely Finnish roster. Feels kinda like a suckout to not switch to international tho but its their time and their choice ofc. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On February 26 2016 01:35 zev318 wrote: why even complain about content? there's no way that they can come out with content faster than the playerbase goes through it. its just a given. Ya but content drought has never been this bad, the subscriber number clearly proved this. Patch 6.1 was basically nothing and so the only real patch this expansion we got was 6.2 which was tanaan jungle and HFC which isn't even that BIG of a patch when considering the wait. Then were told this is the final patch and stuck with this for an entire.....year. All expansion had content drought near the end of their life which is fine but man this expansion just push it to another level. There were a lot of reason why people ran through content faster this expansion which also made it feel like the expansion lacked content as well. Garrison rewards and 5 man content being completely irrelevant after running it once for ring quest basically made the entire expansion only really having 3 real dungeons. I honestly had no idea why they didnt add some sort of valor point for heroic 5 man to make them relevant. It felt like they were not thinking at all about the consequences or show any care for 5 man. Glad they realized they were retards and added some form of system for Legion. Although this never should of happened in the first place when they already had a system prior. | ||
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