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On January 27 2017 07:06 DCRed wrote:Djarii is just Sco's gf she probably has no idea about anything or who Jadelols is. He's Serenity's ex buyer/handler, yes all top guilds share accs, transfer toons to other accounts to be played by others, it's essentially all for the guild and not having the chars as your own. At least it's seen like that because Blizzard is not enforcing their ToS. Most top, there's very few who don't, guilds also do real money boosting. None of this is really secret. Also runs this twitter accountHe wanted to be part of the main raider team but the guy is generally shady as fuck and no where near the level of top raider and was kept as the selling guy. At one point in Viklund's stream raid he went retarded and got booted out, apparently somehow getting into Method at some point, probably begging to handle their buying. Long story short salty kid who couldn't make it in Serenity wanted his petty revenge, I don't really think Method were aware of his intentions and certainly didn't plan this scenario. https://gyazo.com/bdb772e6936069b3be5f8388a54c6ad6And then of course you've these wonderful "community managers" for esport teams and drama ensues.
The issue stems from this screenshot
http://puu.sh/tB7lw/40d9b11c32.jpg
Which was basically confirmed to be true by Sco (the GM of Method) when he complains that private channels got leaked in a later tweet.
Chris Potter in that picture is an officer in Method. So at the time of this screenshot (3+ hours before it was leaked to Serenity) Method knew it was one of their members who did this.
And then they played dumb for 3 hours, it gets leaked and then they take action and kick him from the guild.
The drama is not over if Method planned it (they probably didnt) but that they knew for hours and did no inform Serenity of the situation, nor kick him from their guild.
Hence they are looking guilty by playing dumb.
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From Serenity's perspective, they're logging on getting ready to start raiding today and they discover someone is camping in their instance. I'm guessing they immediately submit a ticket, head to ToV, and wait for their NH instance to be cleared for them.
From Method's perspective, it looks like they're also just waking up and logging on and getting ready to raid when they find out. That first message is timestamped 11:04 and the officer doesn't respond until 11:27. And then what are they supposed to do? Start doing investigations and PR and worry about kicking a guy not even on their bench instead of focusing on progression? How could they help Serenity get their instance back?
Maybe there's some more evidence I haven't seen in a comment somewhere but I feel like I'm missing out on the "playing dumb" part. They're in the middle of progression and they're one of the guilds that raids full time so I think they just eat sleep and raid at this time. But then this stuff going public forced them to deal with it. But I don't equate an attempt to ignore it with playing dumb. They're just busy themselves.
I don't find that Chris Potter response to be that damning. I'd probably respond the same way. It could very easily be
>lol
>why would you do that?
But the rest wasn't leaked so I kinda feel like the screenshot was strategically cut off there to make Method look bad.
btw, from the method.gg/raidprogress updates:
It seems Jadelol, who is the main suspect of perpetrating the lockout, despite denying it himself and claiming he "just shared the screenshot", was previously in Serenity and got kicked after a lot of bad blood between himself and the guild leadership, including leaks of private conversations over twitter. I'm not going to post these here because who needs even MORE drama, but it seems the (alleged) ultimate reason for all this was in fact personal beef one player had with Serenity.
I like how they say they don't want more drama when they were excited for drama earlier. But since this drama is about Method players selling in-game services for real money, apparently we've had enough drama now.
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Yep his first reply is he's confused. Because this was really Jadelols doing all this. Nothing Method would've done would have resolved some being inside instance, that's up to GMs. Sure they could've notified Serenity sooner but they got their own raid going, with probably most not even knowing.
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On January 27 2017 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 07:06 DCRed wrote:Djarii is just Sco's gf she probably has no idea about anything or who Jadelols is. He's Serenity's ex buyer/handler, yes all top guilds share accs, transfer toons to other accounts to be played by others, it's essentially all for the guild and not having the chars as your own. At least it's seen like that because Blizzard is not enforcing their ToS. Most top, there's very few who don't, guilds also do real money boosting. None of this is really secret. Also runs this twitter accountHe wanted to be part of the main raider team but the guy is generally shady as fuck and no where near the level of top raider and was kept as the selling guy. At one point in Viklund's stream raid he went retarded and got booted out, apparently somehow getting into Method at some point, probably begging to handle their buying. Long story short salty kid who couldn't make it in Serenity wanted his petty revenge, I don't really think Method were aware of his intentions and certainly didn't plan this scenario. https://gyazo.com/bdb772e6936069b3be5f8388a54c6ad6And then of course you've these wonderful "community managers" for esport teams and drama ensues. The issue stems from this screenshot http://puu.sh/tB7lw/40d9b11c32.jpgWhich was basically confirmed to be true by Sco (the GM of Method) when he complains that private channels got leaked in a later tweet. Chris Potter in that picture is an officer in Method. So at the time of this screenshot (3+ hours before it was leaked to Serenity) Method knew it was one of their members who did this. And then they played dumb for 3 hours, it gets leaked and then they take action and kick him from the guild. The drama is not over if Method planned it (they probably didnt) but that they knew for hours and did no inform Serenity of the situation, nor kick him from their guild. Hence they are looking guilty by playing dumb.
Ok lets assume Method kicks the guy right away and tells Serenity right away what happened. Or whenver it was that they found out. What happens then ? Serenity's lockout immediately gets cleared?
I find this silly some guy went and did a douche thing. Method found out kinda and then probably either focused on raiding and let their PR people work on it (who probably didnt do a good job) or they didnt give a shit since they werent sure if it had anything to do with them since the guy was denying it was one of them.
Either way 3 hours is not all that long for events to transpire. A couple of guys did a dick move he got kicked a few hours later when the dust settled somewhat. What else do you want method to do ?
And its not Like I really give a shit about either guild. I have no opinion about account sharing or boosting or selling. If you commit that much to the game and there is a market for it and no oversight go ahead.
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On January 27 2017 08:32 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:On January 27 2017 07:06 DCRed wrote:Djarii is just Sco's gf she probably has no idea about anything or who Jadelols is. He's Serenity's ex buyer/handler, yes all top guilds share accs, transfer toons to other accounts to be played by others, it's essentially all for the guild and not having the chars as your own. At least it's seen like that because Blizzard is not enforcing their ToS. Most top, there's very few who don't, guilds also do real money boosting. None of this is really secret. Also runs this twitter accountHe wanted to be part of the main raider team but the guy is generally shady as fuck and no where near the level of top raider and was kept as the selling guy. At one point in Viklund's stream raid he went retarded and got booted out, apparently somehow getting into Method at some point, probably begging to handle their buying. Long story short salty kid who couldn't make it in Serenity wanted his petty revenge, I don't really think Method were aware of his intentions and certainly didn't plan this scenario. https://gyazo.com/bdb772e6936069b3be5f8388a54c6ad6And then of course you've these wonderful "community managers" for esport teams and drama ensues. The issue stems from this screenshot http://puu.sh/tB7lw/40d9b11c32.jpgWhich was basically confirmed to be true by Sco (the GM of Method) when he complains that private channels got leaked in a later tweet. Chris Potter in that picture is an officer in Method. So at the time of this screenshot (3+ hours before it was leaked to Serenity) Method knew it was one of their members who did this. And then they played dumb for 3 hours, it gets leaked and then they take action and kick him from the guild. The drama is not over if Method planned it (they probably didnt) but that they knew for hours and did no inform Serenity of the situation, nor kick him from their guild. Hence they are looking guilty by playing dumb. Ok lets assume Method kicks the guy right away and tells Serenity right away what happened. Or whenver it was that they found out. What happens then ? Serenity's lockout immediately gets cleared? I find this silly some guy went and did a douche thing. Method found out kinda and then probably either focused on raiding and let their PR people work on it (who probably didnt do a good job) or they didnt give a shit since they werent sure if it had anything to do with them since the guy was denying it was one of them. Either way 3 hours is not all that long for events to transpire. A couple of guys did a dick move he got kicked a few hours later when the dust settled somewhat. What else do you want method to do ? And its not Like I really give a shit about either guild. I have no opinion about account sharing or boosting or selling. If you commit that much to the game and there is a market for it and no oversight go ahead.
He got kicked when the dust got stirred up, not when it settled.
Method is a brand beyond just WoW and a brand is build on reputation. A guy from your brand doing something he isn't supposed to looks bad on your brand, even if those in charge had nothing to do with it. No Serenity's lockout doesn't get immediately cleared but Method's name looks a whole lot cleaner.
And he was denying it? He bragged about doing it on a private Method channel ffs.
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Denies in here while talking with Method CM, look at the time stamp. He's really just trying to mess with both guilds.
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On January 27 2017 08:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 08:32 Rebs wrote:On January 27 2017 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:On January 27 2017 07:06 DCRed wrote:Djarii is just Sco's gf she probably has no idea about anything or who Jadelols is. He's Serenity's ex buyer/handler, yes all top guilds share accs, transfer toons to other accounts to be played by others, it's essentially all for the guild and not having the chars as your own. At least it's seen like that because Blizzard is not enforcing their ToS. Most top, there's very few who don't, guilds also do real money boosting. None of this is really secret. Also runs this twitter accountHe wanted to be part of the main raider team but the guy is generally shady as fuck and no where near the level of top raider and was kept as the selling guy. At one point in Viklund's stream raid he went retarded and got booted out, apparently somehow getting into Method at some point, probably begging to handle their buying. Long story short salty kid who couldn't make it in Serenity wanted his petty revenge, I don't really think Method were aware of his intentions and certainly didn't plan this scenario. https://gyazo.com/bdb772e6936069b3be5f8388a54c6ad6And then of course you've these wonderful "community managers" for esport teams and drama ensues. The issue stems from this screenshot http://puu.sh/tB7lw/40d9b11c32.jpgWhich was basically confirmed to be true by Sco (the GM of Method) when he complains that private channels got leaked in a later tweet. Chris Potter in that picture is an officer in Method. So at the time of this screenshot (3+ hours before it was leaked to Serenity) Method knew it was one of their members who did this. And then they played dumb for 3 hours, it gets leaked and then they take action and kick him from the guild. The drama is not over if Method planned it (they probably didnt) but that they knew for hours and did no inform Serenity of the situation, nor kick him from their guild. Hence they are looking guilty by playing dumb. Ok lets assume Method kicks the guy right away and tells Serenity right away what happened. Or whenver it was that they found out. What happens then ? Serenity's lockout immediately gets cleared? I find this silly some guy went and did a douche thing. Method found out kinda and then probably either focused on raiding and let their PR people work on it (who probably didnt do a good job) or they didnt give a shit since they werent sure if it had anything to do with them since the guy was denying it was one of them. Either way 3 hours is not all that long for events to transpire. A couple of guys did a dick move he got kicked a few hours later when the dust settled somewhat. What else do you want method to do ? And its not Like I really give a shit about either guild. I have no opinion about account sharing or boosting or selling. If you commit that much to the game and there is a market for it and no oversight go ahead. He got kicked when the dust got stirred up, not when it settled. Method is a brand beyond just WoW and a brand is build on reputation. A guy from your brand doing something he isn't supposed to looks bad on your brand, even if those in charge had nothing to do with it. No Serenity's lockout doesn't get immediately cleared but Method's name looks a whole lot cleaner. And he was denying it? He bragged about doing it on a private Method channel ffs.
It gets ironic if you consider that Serenity exists specifically because they did NOT want to be part of the Method brand but 'just' raiders.
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This Method brand?
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Bad management and so many of these players in the method & serenity group
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On January 27 2017 08:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 08:32 Rebs wrote:On January 27 2017 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:On January 27 2017 07:06 DCRed wrote:Djarii is just Sco's gf she probably has no idea about anything or who Jadelols is. He's Serenity's ex buyer/handler, yes all top guilds share accs, transfer toons to other accounts to be played by others, it's essentially all for the guild and not having the chars as your own. At least it's seen like that because Blizzard is not enforcing their ToS. Most top, there's very few who don't, guilds also do real money boosting. None of this is really secret. Also runs this twitter accountHe wanted to be part of the main raider team but the guy is generally shady as fuck and no where near the level of top raider and was kept as the selling guy. At one point in Viklund's stream raid he went retarded and got booted out, apparently somehow getting into Method at some point, probably begging to handle their buying. Long story short salty kid who couldn't make it in Serenity wanted his petty revenge, I don't really think Method were aware of his intentions and certainly didn't plan this scenario. https://gyazo.com/bdb772e6936069b3be5f8388a54c6ad6And then of course you've these wonderful "community managers" for esport teams and drama ensues. The issue stems from this screenshot http://puu.sh/tB7lw/40d9b11c32.jpgWhich was basically confirmed to be true by Sco (the GM of Method) when he complains that private channels got leaked in a later tweet. Chris Potter in that picture is an officer in Method. So at the time of this screenshot (3+ hours before it was leaked to Serenity) Method knew it was one of their members who did this. And then they played dumb for 3 hours, it gets leaked and then they take action and kick him from the guild. The drama is not over if Method planned it (they probably didnt) but that they knew for hours and did no inform Serenity of the situation, nor kick him from their guild. Hence they are looking guilty by playing dumb. Ok lets assume Method kicks the guy right away and tells Serenity right away what happened. Or whenver it was that they found out. What happens then ? Serenity's lockout immediately gets cleared? I find this silly some guy went and did a douche thing. Method found out kinda and then probably either focused on raiding and let their PR people work on it (who probably didnt do a good job) or they didnt give a shit since they werent sure if it had anything to do with them since the guy was denying it was one of them. Either way 3 hours is not all that long for events to transpire. A couple of guys did a dick move he got kicked a few hours later when the dust settled somewhat. What else do you want method to do ? And its not Like I really give a shit about either guild. I have no opinion about account sharing or boosting or selling. If you commit that much to the game and there is a market for it and no oversight go ahead. He got kicked when the dust got stirred up, not when it settled. Method is a brand beyond just WoW and a brand is build on reputation. A guy from your brand doing something he isn't supposed to looks bad on your brand, even if those in charge had nothing to do with it. No Serenity's lockout doesn't get immediately cleared but Method's name looks a whole lot cleaner. And he was denying it? He bragged about doing it on a private Method channel ffs.
I figured it was obvious I was using the metaphor to imply a lack of vision of the situation and not someone literally kicking the dust up. But I guess thats my fault.
Either way I could care less about their brand. They have a couple of idiots managing twitter handles and some sponsorships here and there its hardly as high level as people would try to give them credit for.
And yes he was denying it. I mean the confirmation bias is kinda strong here so I dont know if you just dont like them or whatever but its kinda obvious. I think sensible thing to do is give them the benefit of the doubt crucify the guy who did it when its clear they werent involved and move on.
Unless you have evidence to suggest they were complicit kicking up a hissy fit over a screenshot that in isolation + Show Spoiler +(tbh I wouldve loled at that too, thats literally my immediate reaction after I saw what they did)
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Got called out last night for only having 40 levels in my artifact as the tank for our raid. Felt pretty bullshit, considering how our raid wipes aren't even tanking issues. Honestly pretty sick of most of the old content, and having to chain tank mythic+ isn't enjoyable at all.
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Are you doing world first Mythic kills? Because honestly I don't see how ~3-4% armor is going to help you more than people doing their jobs correctly.
Better gear/relics will be a bigger upgrade.
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Going from 40 to 50 is a gain relative to what you have now of 1.087x on armor, 1.058x on stamina and 1.042x on damage so if you're in mythic nighthold it's very important. HC progress it's noticable but not required. Some people around 50 just from farming worldquests with like 50 mythic+ done ever but if you don't do worldquests or mythic+ regularly then it'll fall behind (weapon 50 is about 3x as expensive as weapon 40)
for 1 person it's not too bad but the performance difference between a guild that says "get lvl 50 by feb" vs one that says "as long as it's 35, whatever" will be large and contribute to a lot of kills instead of wipes even if they're playing just as badly. The 35+ approach does work, it's just slower and maybe not what some people in the guild signed up for.
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Îts not just armor, youre missing 7% stamina and dmg too, despite what the tooltip says. And the stamina on a tank can matter.
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To be fair, it increases base stam/armor not total, and I haven't been dying unless people make consecutive big mistakes. I do admit that 10 levels of that will still make a bit of a difference, but it just seemed unfair when the real problem with wipes is people not playing the encounter correctly.
I guess I'll do like pvp or something. I'm just sick of grinding the same dungeons and world quests I've been doing the past several months without any notable improvement other than filling up a bar. And prot warriors just feel like shit to play after the changes with revenge on gcd.
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Yeah, my monk is at 35 on tank and he has 5.3M hp with stam flask (882 ilevel). I really doubt if something is killing me through that amount of hp plus stagger that me having a 50 artifact level will save me.
My damage isn't as high as others, but if the problem isn't dps and more people are dying to mechanics, then his weapon level should not really matter as long as he is progressing.
I understand some guilds want you to get to the higher level and thats good, but don't call a tank out that his artifact weapon isnt 50 if you aren't wiping specifically because of that.
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But if you're wiping because healers stand in shit, which they do because they are too busy healing, any leniency on that is wanted.
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Funny Krosos kill earlier
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d50bzZg.png)
"good 1'st try" NO
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On January 28 2017 14:39 Cyro wrote:Funny Krosos kill earlier "good 1'st try" NO
Wow 6 minutes ? Heroic ?
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Yeah, most of the group died in the last quarter of his HP. He kills everyone @6min AFAIK ("Bridge break in 4s, 3s, 2s, 1s")
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