EPTI won't pretend I know the whole truth and that what I know is the truth, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial.
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
I won't pretend I know the whole truth and that what I know is the truth, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:19 Slayer91 wrote: All this vitriol and hatred is awful. He's paid for his crimes already, what's the point of holding a grudge? He's not the fucking antichrist he's just some kid who tried to make an extra buck on the side. As a struggling progamer with a family to support and no future career prospects. He's far from the only one to have partaken in organized crime, to him he just sees some gamblers losing money he didn't see the big picture. Even if the "death" of pro bw was caused by this scandal (was probably mostly starcraft 2 splitting what was already a small hardcore fanbase) there's no sense in treating him like shit like all the netizens in korea are also doing. It's fucking terrible how you're talking about another human being just because his actions got YOUR toys taken away. (seems to be like blaming him for bw's loss of popularity just seems a convenient scapegoat, it's like 0.0001% of games that were ever fixed) because my post lacks a hitler reference this is exactly like when hitler was blaming the jews for the downfall for the greatness of germany Yeah, man it's only so few games that were fixed, no idea why that made people so upset! I mean if it had been 80% of all games, then yes, I'm sure you and I could understand the vitriol but only 0.0000000001% that's like NOTHING! Haters gonna hate, they're just mad because they got owned by that cool kid. It's like the fucking jews that are probably still mad at the nazis even though they number ~ 13,854,800 and Hitler didn't even kill 6 millions. That's not even half. Fuck the haters. Also don't forget to bring the milk to the next math morons monthly meet, I paid last time. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: I don't think you're getting the point I'm not talking about the match fixing scandal, I'm talking about this lawsuit, even if hes been acquitted I take domestic abuse fucking seriously, I would have felt the same way about anyone not just luxury. I won't pretend I know the whole truth and that what I know is the truth, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial. A disgraced progamer who lost his source of income then gets divorced by his wife who suddenly comes up with a domestic abuse lawsuit on which there was found to be no evidence. How the fuck would his nerdly little arms get the energy to beat his wife after practicing anyway. obviously domestic abuse is shitty but so is ruining someone's life by making a false charge, even if they aren't sent to prison if it shows up on his record judgemental people like you would assume he did it. On April 17 2014 19:32 Monsen wrote: Yeah, man it's only so few games that were fixed, no idea why that made people so upset! I mean if it had been 80% of all games, then yes, I'm sure you and I could understand the vitriol but only 0.0000000001% that's like NOTHING! Haters gonna hate, they're just mad because they got owned by that cool kid. It's like the fucking jews that are probably still mad at the nazis even though they number ~ 13,854,800 and Hitler didn't even kill 6 millions. That's not even half. Fuck the haters. Also don't forget to bring the milk to the next math morons monthly meet, I paid last time. my claims for low amount of match fixing was related to its effect on the "death of bw" and not "was it wrong for people to fix matches" in the jew metaphor it would be like if hitler killed 10 jews would it be a holocaust not would hitler be a good guy | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33709 Posts
Luxury always denied the charges from the start, he never partially admitted to anything | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:19 Slayer91 wrote: All this vitriol and hatred is awful. He's paid for his crimes already, what's the point of holding a grudge? He's not the fucking antichrist he's just some kid who tried to make an extra buck on the side. As a struggling progamer with a family to support and no future career prospects. He's far from the only one to have partaken in organized crime, to him he just sees some gamblers losing money he didn't see the big picture. Even if the "death" of pro bw was caused by this scandal (was probably mostly starcraft 2 splitting what was already a small hardcore fanbase) there's no sense in treating him like shit like all the netizens in korea are also doing. It's fucking terrible how you're talking about another human being just because his actions got YOUR toys taken away. (seems to be like blaming him for bw's loss of popularity just seems a convenient scapegoat, it's like 0.0001% of games that were ever fixed) because my post lacks a hitler reference this is exactly like when hitler was blaming the jews for the downfall for the greatness of germany The % is completely irrelevant. The mere fact that matches were fixed and that it was in the news is more than enough to keep sponsors away. And certainly decent share of the fan base was disgusted and stopped watching BW. I remember Kim Carry literally begging the viewers to keep watching BW after the scandal. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:32 Slayer91 wrote: A disgraced progamer who lost his source of income then gets divorced by his wife who suddenly comes up with a domestic abuse lawsuit on which there was found to be no evidence. How the fuck would his nerdly little arms get the energy to beat his wife after practicing anyway. obviously domestic abuse is shitty but so is ruining someone's life by making a false charge, even if they aren't sent to prison if it shows up on his record judgemental people like you would assume he did it. as far as the law is concerned he didn't do it or rather hes not guilty of abuse, so what I say or feel doesn't matter anyway...but i'm not taking back what I said either, I just hope he doesn't get involved in more shit. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:39 endy wrote: The % is completely irrelevant. The mere fact that matches were fixed and that it was in the news is more than enough to keep sponsors away. And certainly decent share of the fan base was disgusted and stopped watching BW. I remember Kim Carry literally begging the viewers to keep watching BW after the scandal. At that time starcraft 2 was nearly out, with beta tournaments all over, and blizzard was putting lots of pressure on KeSPA over ownership of bw rights etcetc so sponsors were already more likely to want to go to starcraft 2 as well as most of the viewers since the game was new and popular worldwide im not saying it had no effect but it might be exaggerated. | ||
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Frappucino
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And i would like to say there is a possibility sAviOr and co. didn't understand the gravity of what they are doing back then, match fixing of that scale in E-sports is considered new in 2010. It's almost pitiable doing what you think is okay, only then realizing too late that what you did was very bad. I'm not trying to be an apologist, but they were a children back then. KESPA should educate all their progamers and coaches (see AHQ case in LOL) to avoid future match fixing. | ||
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: I don't think you're getting the point I'm not talking about the match fixing scandal, I'm talking about this lawsuit, even if hes been acquitted I take domestic abuse fucking seriously, I would have felt the same way about anyone not just luxury. I won't pretend I know the whole truth and that what I know is the truth, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial. I actually think the ex-wife has a couple screws loose... wouldn't be the first time a female "victim" sues their ex-husband/bf for monetary gain. What really threw me off was the part about Luxury's toe and how the ex wife claims he purposely infected it and her father took time out of his own work to take him to the hospital and have him treated.. Like if that actually happened wouldn't the father of the ex-wife stick up for that point? Luxury declares its all a lie (that he did it on purpose.. so is he saying it happened but its an accident or did it not happen at all?). It just seems so weird that the father of a girl who's supposedly getting abused by her spouse would be so kind to his son-in-law. Like was the abuse not visible on the body? was she not in contact with her father? was she not comfortable telling his parents about these things? I felt like through not 1 but 2 trials that kind of stuff would have definitely been brought to light. I guess it all comes down to the fact that we probably don't even know like 10% of the details involving this matter. I guess I'd have to say both parties are at fault. still think its super weird how the article that had Luxury admitting to abuse (from this thread) is just completely wiped... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:59 JohnChoi wrote: I actually think the ex-wife has a couple screws loose... wouldn't be the first time a female "victim" sues their ex-husband/bf for monetary gain. What really threw me off was the part about Luxury's toe and how the ex wife claims he purposely infected it and her father took time out of his own work to take him to the hospital and have him treated.. Like if that actually happened wouldn't the father of the ex-wife stick up for that point? Luxury declares its all a lie (that he did it on purpose.. so is he saying it happened but its an accident or did it not happen at all?). It just seems so weird that the father of a girl who's supposedly getting abused by her spouse would be so kind to his son-in-law. Like was the abuse not visible on the body? was she not in contact with her father? was she not comfortable telling his parents about these things? I felt like through not 1 but 2 trials that kind of stuff would have definitely been brought to light. I guess it all comes down to the fact that we probably don't even know like 10% of the details involving this matter. I guess I'd have to say both parties are at fault. still think its super weird how the article that had Luxury admitting to abuse (from this thread) is just completely wiped... On April 17 2014 19:39 Waxangel wrote: http://mbn.mk.co.kr/pages/news/newsView.php?news_seq_no=1229176 Luxury always denied the charges from the start, he never partially admitted to anything | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:05 Caihead wrote: Hold up a sec, why is everybody saying Luxury is a pos to news of the verdict clearing him of guilt, twice? Or does everyone on page one assume that the Korean legal system doesn't work and that Luxury has some inside deal with corrupt judges to obscure the truth? Guilty until proven innocent? It's hard to say "i was wrong" better just make it into an internet "innocent" joke right? | ||
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
Update 5:34 PM According to the article on Fomos and Naver, Luxury was accused of threatening his wife with acid on 3 occasions, past March, May, and June. He has testified to the police that "He admits that he has abused his wife, but he did not threaten with acid". Link to the article http://www.mydaily.co.kr/news/read.html?newsid=201208241633415527&ext=na someone plz clarify what this is I'm so confused by this. is this another one of those lost in translation things? also this post by ZeroChrome was pretty insightful regarding the scandal's impact on sponsors. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
luxury aint arch evil anymore savior retakes the title | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51701 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:07 DinoToss wrote: It's hard to say "i was wrong" better just make it into an internet "innocent" joke right? I was wrong. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On April 17 2014 20:11 JohnChoi wrote: someone plz clarify what this is I'm so confused by this. is this another one of those lost in translation things? also this post by ZeroChrome was pretty insightful regarding the scandal's impact on sponsors. could find that article no matter how i dig... yah, sponsors leaving was the final nail on the coffin... match fixing scandal resulted to sponsorship evasion sponsoring companies dont want to be attached to the negative issues not to mention the 'blackmailing' attempt by blizzard to kespa financial stability was in question, the team's company was sponsoring just to save the league alas, the effort was futile, in the end they have to let go and so as OGN decides leaving SC2 for LOL was a logical choice why bother a game that got popular because its a BW sequel which was clearly not 'love' by most korean netizen in general? sure sc2 is 'loved' but paled in comparison to BW (im talking about SK not the western scene) the scandal left a very bad taste on me and my friends... we highly respected savior... he was my favorite, our... the best.... but he broke our hearts and left us very very very disappointed... for an 11 year old female fan, he was a role model, she was devasted... this may sound 'ridiculous' to some but that scandal really does something beyond repair | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9568 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:59 JohnChoi wrote: I actually think the ex-wife has a couple screws loose... wouldn't be the first time a female "victim" sues their ex-husband/bf for monetary gain. What really threw me off was the part about Luxury's toe and how the ex wife claims he purposely infected it and her father took time out of his own work to take him to the hospital and have him treated.. Like if that actually happened wouldn't the father of the ex-wife stick up for that point? Luxury declares its all a lie (that he did it on purpose.. so is he saying it happened but its an accident or did it not happen at all?). Lol, how would you even go about purposely infecting your toe? Do you cut it and stick it into toilet? Sounds like a tricky thing to do. I don't know, in these kind of things I try to reserve my judgement because either one of them could be lying through their teeth. In that case, I think it's imperative that we respect the court's decision. | ||
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