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Threatening with acid does not imply actually having it at that moment. Also:
Hydrochloric acid
"[...]It has numerous smaller-scale applications, including household cleaning [...]"
That's watered down some, though. I use it for cleaning some stuff...
He was found not guilty 2 times, so he's innocent. We can't know what really happened, but according to the judge/jury either it didn't happen or there wasn't enough proof.
Yea he was part of the match fixing, but that was 5 years ago, he was an inexperienced kid and didn't fully understand the possible consequences of those actions - and he regrets it now.
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Bisutopia19383 Posts
I think many people like myself were just being funny with our posts on the front page after seeing itsjustatank's post. I think any kind of bullying is truly wrong especially for someone who screwed up as a kid. He's an adult now should be judged on his actions today in my beliefs. The thing with his wife is unfortunate whether it happened or not. I do not hope ill will towards him and I'm glad he owned his past actions.
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We need a thread discussing the matchfixing scandal because it seems to become re-addressed every time a player who was involved is brought up and I think a lot of people have only considered it from very limited emotionally charged perspectives that they directly copied off of the korean commentators.
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Kind of sad that this thread shortly became a cult like mantra rather than discussion...
In any case, I dont 'hate' luxury or savior or whatever, for choosing to make more money. Yeah it was destructive ultimately and selfish, but we all act selfishly, they were young, and there you have it. Given the charges against Luxury on the wife abuse front were false or exaggerated...I have no idea why anyone would 'hate' him. Taking a dive, all things considered, isnt really high up there on the immoral scale.
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On April 17 2014 21:05 quirinus wrote:
Threatening with acid does not imply actually having it at that moment. Also:
Hydrochloric acid
"[...]It has numerous smaller-scale applications, including household cleaning [...]"
That's watered down some, though. I use it for cleaning some stuff...
He was found not guilty 2 times, so he's innocent. We can't know what really happened, but according to the judge/jury either it didn't happen or there wasn't enough proof.
Yea he was part of the match fixing, but that was 5 years ago, he was an inexperienced kid and didn't fully understand the possible consequences of those actions - and he regrets it now.
I think some toilet bowl cleaners have hydrochloric acid in it now that you mention it.
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On April 17 2014 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial.
Just curious. .. what are you basing this on?
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You have to admit, the timing is kinda amusing.
Terror gets banned from Afreeca because he dumped soy sauce on some kids.
Luxury acquitted because he didn't dump acid on his wife.
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On April 18 2014 03:08 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial. Just curious. .. what are you basing this on?
because she's a woman, women are nice!
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On April 17 2014 16:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
He's still a disgusting piece of shit
And not guilty is not a innocent verdict.
too bad there's no such thing as an "innocent" verdict
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Yay Lux! I hope that he really was innocent and that justice was served correctly. Fighting! (but not domestically!)
Being a match fixer doesn't equate to wife beating......... MSL champ, I don't care >.<. (If he is guilty then obviously... very bad and no respect)
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Luxury must commit seppuku to repay for his BW crimes apparently to please people's lust for blood...
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On April 17 2014 18:13 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 16:23 Saechiis wrote:
Move on people. This hate circlejerk is disgusting. He cheated in a game 5 years ago and then got sued by his ex wife for abuse of which he has been cleared. Let's not drive another person to suicide over your selfish misgivings. I think watching any circle-jerk would be kind of disgusting to witness. However, this is not any kind of sexual thing. It's just people voicing their opinion on big of a douchebag Luxury is. If Luxury committed suicide tomorrow, I wouldn't be like "Oh shit, I did that." because I didn't do anything. It is has not been proven that people can be "driven" to suicide by others, because there are many mitigating factors involve, such as the person's mental health, physical health, possible drug/alcohol usage and overall psyche.
Because other people (millions anonymously online) have no affect on a person's mental health and overall psyche... uh huh. It's a moot point because he's not going to commit suicide but I'd like to see you call Luxury out for being a huge douchebag to his face... I'm sure your satisfaction would be maximum. Everyone makes mistakes!  .
EDIT: apology for the triple post.
User was warned for this post
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This is really believable because of one reason I think. The one reason is that domestic cases between couples almost ALWAYS favor the woman. It's actually really disgusting sometimes of what women can get away with in divorce cases and cases like this. So Luxury's defense must have some really convincing evidence to back their side of the story up.
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The women bashing in this thread is incredible. While there are some women who probably do falsely claim it, those rates are pretty low (I imagine the same people who believe that also believe women falsely accuse men of rape at high levels too which is another great myth). The vast majority of victims of interpersonal violence (including sexual, physical, and psychological) never report it and even when they do, arrest/prosecution/conviction rates are low.
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On April 18 2014 10:59 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 16:26 Jaaaaasper wrote:
He's still a disgusting piece of shit
And not guilty is not a innocent verdict. too bad there's no such thing as an "innocent" verdict
Read the judge's decision on the Duke lacrosse team case. Judges almost never use the term "innocent". When they do, there's an implication of misconduct on the prosecutor's part. Not guilty just means not enough evidence to convict. Innocent, used in that case, meant that the evidence was so weighted in favor of the defendant that the prosecutor should have never brought the case in the first place.
On April 17 2014 20:05 Caihead wrote:
Hold up a sec, why is everybody saying Luxury is a pos to news of the verdict clearing him of guilt, twice? Or does everyone on page one assume that the Korean legal system doesn't work and that Luxury has some inside deal with corrupt judges to obscure the truth? Guilty until proven innocent?
I'm guessing people are used to seeing athletes and celebrities, even one as minor as Luxury, routinely get "not guilty because of bullshit legal maneuver" verdicts that they are very cynical nowadays.
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On April 19 2014 01:56 G3CKO wrote:
This is really believable because of one reason I think. The one reason is that domestic cases between couples almost ALWAYS favor the woman. It's actually really disgusting sometimes of what women can get away with in divorce cases and cases like this. So Luxury's defense must have some really convincing evidence to back their side of the story up.
Its South Korea though, I don't know much about their legal system but its probably not as pro-woman as in Western coutnries.
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He's still a disgusting piece of shit.
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Germany2548 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:32 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I don't think you're getting the point I'm not talking about the match fixing scandal, I'm talking about this lawsuit, even if hes been acquitted I take domestic abuse fucking seriously, I would have felt the same way about anyone not just luxury.
I won't pretend I know the whole truth and that what I know is the truth, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I doubt the ex-wife is a nutjob, she wouldn't have brought up a lawsuit for no reason and even appeal after the fist trial. A disgraced progamer who lost his source of income then gets divorced by his wife who suddenly comes up with a domestic abuse lawsuit on which there was found to be no evidence. How the fuck would his nerdly little arms get the energy to beat his wife after practicing anyway. obviously domestic abuse is shitty but so is ruining someone's life by making a false charge, even if they aren't sent to prison if it shows up on his record judgemental people like you would assume he did it. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:32 Monsen wrote:On April 17 2014 19:19 Slayer91 wrote:
All this vitriol and hatred is awful. He's paid for his crimes already, what's the point of holding a grudge? He's not the fucking antichrist he's just some kid who tried to make an extra buck on the side. As a struggling progamer with a family to support and no future career prospects. He's far from the only one to have partaken in organized crime, to him he just sees some gamblers losing money he didn't see the big picture. Even if the "death" of pro bw was caused by this scandal (was probably mostly starcraft 2 splitting what was already a small hardcore fanbase) there's no sense in treating him like shit like all the netizens in korea are also doing.
It's fucking terrible how you're talking about another human being just because his actions got YOUR toys taken away. (seems to be like blaming him for bw's loss of popularity just seems a convenient scapegoat, it's like 0.0001% of games that were ever fixed)
because my post lacks a hitler reference this is exactly like when hitler was blaming the jews for the downfall for the greatness of germany
Yeah, man it's only so few games that were fixed, no idea why that made people so upset! I mean if it had been 80% of all games, then yes, I'm sure you and I could understand the vitriol but only 0.0000000001% that's like NOTHING! Haters gonna hate, they're just mad because they got owned by that cool kid. It's like the fucking jews that are probably still mad at the nazis even though they number ~ 13,854,800 and Hitler didn't even kill 6 millions. That's not even half. Fuck the haters. Also don't forget to bring the milk to the next math morons monthly meet, I paid last time. my claims for low amount of match fixing was related to its effect on the "death of bw" and not "was it wrong for people to fix matches" in the jew metaphor it would be like if hitler killed 10 jews would it be a holocaust not would hitler be a good guy
Yeah, I got that. You're not an idiot for getting the percentage wrong, you're a fool for failing to realize that the number of fixed games is pretty much irrelevant *.
The fact that matches were fixed is more than enough to discredit the sport for viewers and sponsors.
Also, has anyone so far even made the claim that the matchfixing scandal was the sole reason for Bws "death"? I don't think so. Nevertheless it certainly was the event most detrimental to the Bw scene (maybe even esports in general) to date.
* That, and poopoo-ing the (hurt) feelings ("kid took your toys away") of Starcraft fans on a Starcraft forum. Smart move buddy.
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I'm conflicted about this, luxury and his mom were according to the first time we heard of it abusive and terrible people.
No idea what to believe
BW's death was caused by lack of sponsors and difficulty in finding them, that trouble intensified with the financial crisis and the match fixing scandal made it so much worse
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On April 17 2014 19:45 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:39 endy wrote:On April 17 2014 19:19 Slayer91 wrote:
All this vitriol and hatred is awful. He's paid for his crimes already, what's the point of holding a grudge? He's not the fucking antichrist he's just some kid who tried to make an extra buck on the side. As a struggling progamer with a family to support and no future career prospects. He's far from the only one to have partaken in organized crime, to him he just sees some gamblers losing money he didn't see the big picture. Even if the "death" of pro bw was caused by this scandal (was probably mostly starcraft 2 splitting what was already a small hardcore fanbase) there's no sense in treating him like shit like all the netizens in korea are also doing.
It's fucking terrible how you're talking about another human being just because his actions got YOUR toys taken away. (seems to be like blaming him for bw's loss of popularity just seems a convenient scapegoat, it's like 0.0001% of games that were ever fixed)
because my post lacks a hitler reference this is exactly like when hitler was blaming the jews for the downfall for the greatness of germany
The % is completely irrelevant. The mere fact that matches were fixed and that it was in the news is more than enough to keep sponsors away. And certainly decent share of the fan base was disgusted and stopped watching BW. I remember Kim Carry literally begging the viewers to keep watching BW after the scandal. At that time starcraft 2 was nearly out, with beta tournaments all over, and blizzard was putting lots of pressure on KeSPA over ownership of bw rights etcetc so sponsors were already more likely to want to go to starcraft 2 as well as most of the viewers since the game was new and popular worldwide im not saying it had no effect but it might be exaggerated.
Meh, it wasn't sc2. OGN moved to League because everyone and their mother plays it.
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