EPTOn March 17 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's fucking North Korea, i was speaking about countries with intelligent leaders.
It's fucking North Korea, i was speaking about countries with intelligent leaders.
Well, that excludes Crimea
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:11 Nyxisto wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kim-jong-un-wins-100-votes-north-korea-election-n49011 They must really love their dear leader 99,5% approval for putins party in chechnya in 2012. Edit: i suppose "intelligent leaders" don't go for 100% but settle between 95% and 99.5%. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:00 zeo wrote: Whatever majority we had was useless because we had to form a coalition with the devil, interestingly enough the ones that formed the coalition are the same guys that broke away and formed their own party. Erdogan got 49.8% of the vote in Turkey and look at how their euro-integration is going. Don't get me wrong, we will be kissing Euro's ass for the whole mandate and we will make great strides towards the EU... but under the surface this will be a dictatorship. They havent had a military coup in 30 years, Erdogan's party is less extreme than who the military put in charge in 83. And if majority want to be more religious -- what can you do? Its just like majority of Russians hate Muslims and Gays, just like it was the case in the US at some point. Electorates change, and the politicians they pick also change to reflect that. At least to me it seems like you'd be open to some sort of enlightened technocracy until the people are ready to vote? | ||
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FatCat_13
Russian Federation117 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:14 m4ini wrote: 99,5% approval for putins party in chechnya in 2012. Er'body know nobody came to voting. They just wrote it manually. Not that it's any close to mr. Churov's 146% though... | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's fucking North Korea, i was speaking about countries with intelligent leaders. And I'm sitting here thinking we're talking about Russia all along | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:18 FatCat_13 wrote: Er'body know nobody came to voting. They just wrote it manually. Not that it's any close to mr. Churov's 146% though... Point being, oo_Wonderful_oos estimate of max. 10% can be rigged is quite wrong. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
what do your posts accomplish do you think? self-satisfaction probably right? whatever floats your boat imo, it's good imagery. I was talking about you calling people vampires, not everything you post. Escalation! What does calling people vampires in a politico-economic context accomplish? It has a very bad and ugly history and it seems careless to me. The underlying thesis is also flawed - America and Europe (and Japan/SK) dominate the global economy, the global economy is allegedly a vampire feeding system for these rich vampire countries, yet global poverty in the last 20 years was halved and for most of the planet's poor other progress in the material quality of their lives was achieved to varying, sometimes great, degrees. How does that circle get squared? This vampire system that runs the world is sucking the life out of countries while those countries are also - somehow - seeing poverty fall and life expectancy, access to education, clean food and water, decent housing, etc. increase. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:11 Nyxisto wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kim-jong-un-wins-100-votes-north-korea-election-n49011 They must really love their dear leader Hey 100% is pretty good alot of election riggers go over 100% can't even do that right. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Considering fact that there are 18,64% left, you can even get them from those 93 and get 10 more and still have ridiculous 64.36%. Hell, it's almost as much as Putin got on last elections or even slightly higher. Ye, even more. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:20 semantics wrote: Hey 100% is pretty good alot of election riggers go over 100% can't even do that right. Usually they go over 100% in turnout and keep the amount voting for dear leader somewhere around 99.7%. Pretty sure they just have chimps throw darts at a sheet of paper with 99.1 - 101.0 in .1 increments written on it to determine the numbers. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: So, and appearance in Crimea was 81.36%. Considering fact that there are 18,64% left, you can even get them from those 93 and get 10 more and still have ridiculous 64.36%. Hell, it's almost as much as Putin got on last elections or even slightly higher. Ye, even more. Uhm, what? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: So, and appearance in Crimea was 81.36%. Considering fact that there are 18,64% left, you can even get them from those 93 and get 10 more and still have ridiculous 64.36%. Hell, it's almost as much as Putin got on last elections or even slightly higher. Ye, even more. I don't know what you're trying to calculate there. There are 40% ethnic Ukrainians/Tatars in Crimea. Let's say that the 18% that didn't vote were all part of that group. That leaves us with 22% ethnic Ukrainians/Tatars. Only 5% of people did allegedly not vote to join Russia. Are you telling me that approximately 3 out of 4 ethnic Ukrainians did vote in favor of joining Russia? Who is supposed to believe that? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
In our elections because of low appearance, pro-goverment workers always throw empty bulletins into urn with pro-government votes. And apparently, it's hard to do when there is 81.36% appearance. On March 17 2014 06:28 Nyxisto wrote: I don't know what you're trying to calculate there. There are 40% ethnic Ukrainians/Tatars in Crimea. Let's say that the 18% that didn't vote were all part of that group. That leaves us with 22% ethnic Ukrainians/Tatars. Only 5% of people did allegedly not vote to join Russia. Are you telling me that approximately 3 out of 4 ethnic Ukrainians did vote in favor of joining Russia? Who is supposed to believe that? There is 56% Russians. Ok. Crimean Tatars ignored it - so, minus 12%. So, we're left with 88% of population. Of course there will be higher result than 60% because those electors who could say "No" hadn't appeared. I doubt 93% number as well, but saying that every non-Russian said "no"? Even i won't believe in it. | ||
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m4ini
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Saying that every russian voted yes is as delusional, as was stated many times (polls). And you doubt the 93% number, what? So you assume something is rigged, but it's "fair enough"? Of course there will be higher result than 60% because those electors who could say "No" hadn't appeared. I just wanted to highlight this, no offense. There is no "no" option. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:35 m4ini wrote: Why do you think every russian went to vote, but none of the tatars? That's your first flaw (tatars would vote as much as russians do, just not for the "join now" option since they, oops, can't vote "no"). Saying that every russian voted yes is as delusional, as was stated many times (polls). And you doubt the 93% number, what? So you assume something is rigged, but it's "fair enough"? Well I think you need to make a distinction between russians and russians living in Crimea. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:09 Sub40APM wrote: Well his original claim was that 5 billion was spent by the US to create neo-nazis, so I am still waiting for support for that argument. All it corroborates from the Parry article was that its inception the NED was filled with Reagen types. There is 0 support in the paper you quoted for this claim. All it shows is that Ukraine receives money from NED. Neither the right sector nor Svoboda are mentioned in the paper, and neither were relevant until the late 2000s, Your paper covers a period between 1990 and 1999 when Ukraine was dominated by Kuchma, an authoritarian pragmatist who at best was neutral if not outright Russian leaning. Finally, the paper you cited comes to the conclusion that this help is mostly useless and a waste of American tax payers money and all foreign aid that look to build democratic institutions should be cut. On March 17 2014 03:28 xM(Z wrote: US because it was their $5billions that made the right sector of ukraine politics able to stage the ousting of Yanukovych here's the part you bolded that sparked this. yup, that's claiming that 5 billion was spent by the us to create neo-nazis. guess you still gotta keep waiting for 'proof' (gl getting your hands on cia's nazi-creation budget xmz). and it corroborates perry's points about it being is a vehicle for neolibs agenda, not the us govt's (facilitating us coorp profit is what they're aiming for). and yes, that's the conclusion because even though that is the stated purpose of NED, there's no proof that this is what it has done. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:39 radiatoren wrote: Well I think you need to make a distinction between russians and russians living in Crimea. I also said "tatars" and not "crimean tatars". I assumed stating the obvious wasn't neccessary. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:35 m4ini wrote: Why do you think every russian went to vote, but none of the tatars? That's your first flaw (tatars would vote as much as russians do, just not for the "join now" option since they, oops, can't vote "no"). Saying that every russian voted yes is as delusional, as was stated many times (polls). And you doubt the 93% number, what? So you assume something is rigged, but it's "fair enough"? I just wanted to highlight this, no offense. There is no "no" option. Dunno, i just scrolled some twitter news and assumed that tatars hadn't came to vote because they simply ignore the referendum. It's reasonable but stupid. Ye, and i know about lack of "no" but still, it's better than saying "yes-yes", right? Guess i have to explain on real example. There are Moscow's major elections. You have current major, Sergei Sobyanin and pretendent - Alexey Navalny. Everyone knows that Sobyanin will win because not enough people support Navalny. Finally, Sobyanin gets 55%, Navalny gets 27%. Everyone is screaming that it's falsified because Sobyanin should have got 49-52% and because there were fucking awful appearance as something like 35%. Even if everyone knows that it's HUGE victory for opposition leader. If they wanted, they could go for 60%, hell, even 70%. Because of appearance, because of other useless guys in those elections (opposition wanted only one reasonable candidates but opposition's leaders thought other way and went for elections as seperated). But it's 55% and it's reasonable, considering amount of things which major did for Moscow, how did city grow in last and how good is it looking right now. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On March 17 2014 04:24 promiseme wrote: Its not even illeagal, its just whats your media says. Actually the president of Ukrain and goverment of Creamea (both democraticly elected) officially asked Putin to send troops to protect ppl that doesnt aggree with coup d'etat and ppl that selfcalled themself in power, which never been elected to such role. Not a single gun shoot, just protective reasons, and ppl that they are protecting welcomes them with great enthusiasm. Yea, totally its illegal brutal military aggression and occupation, obvious xD. Like this old grandma? | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:40 m4ini wrote: I also said "tatars" and not "crimean tatars". I assumed stating the obvious wasn't neccessary. With 8 year old voter lists and a liberal write in, sending extra people from the motherland would be an easy way to make the numbers seem more convincing. Edit: Actually come to think about it: The referendum is just symbolic. Crimea is therefore already a part of Russia. Therefore a massive influx of russians can vote completely legally! Guess the distinction doesn't matter terribly much after all! | ||
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