EPTOn March 17 2014 03:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
When will the results of the referendum be out?
When will the results of the referendum be out?
Not that it matters, but 22.30 local time.
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Deleted User 137586
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Not that it matters, but 22.30 local time. | ||
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nunez
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On March 17 2014 02:53 Sub40APM wrote: Which one of your sources proves that the US has built up the Right Sector using 5 billion dollars, I might need a bit more hand holding than a link showing that the US spends money on foreign aid -- Canada does too, where are their fascists coups ? -- and the right sector. I'd also like some evidence showing that the national endowment for democracy's programs to strengthen things like rule of law or freedom of expression translated into fascist coups, perhaps one that doesnt make unsubstantiated claim that the NED caused the coup or that relies on who the founders of the NED were to prove NED is forever tainted by evil. NED's raison d'être seems to be empowering foreign groups that will allow american vampires, not commie vampires, to extract precious bodily fluids from their countries. far-right and fascists definately fits the bill in ukraine (or usually in general). you don't think NED money is included in the 5 billion figure? | ||
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On March 17 2014 03:44 Kupon3ss wrote: I actually agree with much of the current American foreign policy, I just think its absurd and hypocritical to see Russian hyperbole and questionable "democracies" influenced by Russia without seeing the same from the West. Criticizing Afghan elections is perfectly fine, but you doing it in this thread is not. It's either off topic, or you're implying that all is hunky dory with Russia annexing Crimea for the sole reason that [insert whatabout X statement here]. | ||
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nunez
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On March 17 2014 03:58 Ghanburighan wrote: Criticizing Afghan elections is perfectly fine, but you doing it in this thread is not. It's either off topic, or you're implying that all is hunky dory with Russia annexing Crimea for the sole reason that [insert whatabout X statement here]. pointing out the hypocrisy of propagandists is not off topic nor is it implying anything. | ||
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hunts
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On March 17 2014 03:32 Ghanburighan wrote: ^ That's ludicrous. Not only don't you argue your point but your best example of legitimate elections is Afghanistan? That's the bar they need to jump over, be better than Afghanistan?! The 2010 Afghanistan elections were reported by the OSCE as having `dramatic levels of fraud, violence and highly disputed outcomes were apparent, which did not contribute to fostering credibility of and public confidence in the democratic process.' Woooo, accept the referendum! *** On actual news, seems like Russia is escalating its rhetoric ahead of tomorrow: I guess the irony being that with their state of economy and military their nukes are the only thing saving them from being blown off the face of the earth for how they are acting. Of course we all know that no one in power in russia is quite stupid enough to push the nuke button because they would end up as a giant hole in the ground just as fast. | ||
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m4ini
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On March 17 2014 03:44 promiseme wrote: erhm, fly to Crimea yourself and ask ppl what they want/wanted? It was never a secret that Cremea have been pro Russian for years. Also there is like 70% of population are ethnic russians. So there was no reason to rige the vote. And results was really obvious for anyone who has any clue about the region. Does some ppl really think they rigged the vote? lol, there was no reason to do it, even if they wanted, cos ppl vote themselfs as needed. Russians want to join Russia, what a surprise. xD Called it. | ||
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nunez
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On March 17 2014 04:05 hunts wrote: I guess the irony being that with their state of economy and military their nukes are the only thing saving them from being blown off the face of the earth for how they are acting. Of course we all know that no one in power in russia is quite stupid enough to push the nuke button because they would end up as a giant hole in the ground just as fast. you think countries breaking international law with illegal invasions should be blown off the face of the earth? | ||
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semantics
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On March 17 2014 03:44 promiseme wrote: erhm, fly to Crimea yourself and ask ppl what they want/wanted? It was never a secret that Cremea have been pro Russian for years. Also there is like 70% of population are ethnic russians. So there was no reason to rige the vote. And results was really obvious for anyone who has any clue about the region. Does some ppl really think they rigged the vote? lol, there was no reason to do it, even if they wanted, cos ppl vote themselfs as needed. Russians want to join Russia, what a surprise. xD Would love to except for the whole thing where they point guns at you if you're a journalist or beat you to death on the streets for holding opposing views. Because you know gotta protect the people from fascists in the west with fascists in the east. | ||
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On March 17 2014 04:04 nunez wrote: pointing out the hypocrisy of propagandists is not off topic nor is it implying anything. Explain that. Is this thread about the state of American journalism? | ||
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m4ini
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nunez
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On March 17 2014 04:16 Ghanburighan wrote: Explain that. Is this thread about the state of American journalism? it's self-explanatory. | ||
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Bullshit. | ||
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Birdie
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On March 17 2014 04:12 nunez wrote: you think countries breaking international law with illegal invasions should be blown off the face of the earth? Oh the irony... | ||
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LegalLord
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2014/voters_want_little_u_s_involvement_in_ukraine A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 17% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should get more directly involved in Ukraine if the political violence continues. Two out of three (66%) want the United States to leave the situation alone, while 18% are undecided. The survey was conducted prior to the president’s departure on Saturday. (Question: "The political violence continues in Ukraine, should the United States get more directly involved in the situation there or leave the situation alone?") Given the response to Syria and chemical weapons, I think Obama is digging himself into a hole by focusing on this. He's fighting a losing battle for popular support, especially since this referendum is too one-sided for question. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On March 17 2014 04:05 hunts wrote: I guess the irony being that with their state of economy and military their nukes are the only thing saving them from being blown off the face of the earth for how they are acting. Of course we all know that no one in power in russia is quite stupid enough to push the nuke button because they would end up as a giant hole in the ground just as fast. Not really, but in any case, this is among the most ridiculous things I've seen stated in this thread. Also, doing about 5 seconds of digging turns up that this journalist Dmitry Kiselev is known for his hate speech and extreme comments. Way to take things out of context guys because one nutjob said something. We have a ton of those in the US too, even in California of all places. Also, what nunez said. :x | ||
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promiseme
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On March 17 2014 04:05 hunts wrote: Show nested quote + you think countries breaking international law with illegal invasions should be blown off the face of the earth? Its not even illeagal, its just whats your media says. Actually the president of Ukrain and goverment of Creamea (both democraticly elected) officially asked Putin to send troops to protect ppl that doesnt aggree with coup d'etat and ppl that selfcalled themself in power, which never been elected to such role. Not a single gun shoot, just protective reasons, and ppl that they are protecting welcomes them with great enthusiasm. Yea, totally its illegal brutal military aggression and occupation, obvious xD. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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On March 17 2014 04:24 promiseme wrote: Its not even illeagal, its just whats your media says. Actually the president of Ukrain and goverment of Creamea (both democraticly elected) officially asked Putin to send troops to protect ppl that doesnt aggree with coup d'etat and ppl that selfcalled themself in power, which never been elected to such role. Not a single gun shoot, just protective reasons, and ppl that they are protecting welcomes them with great enthusiasm. Yea totally illegal brutal military aggression and occupation, obvious xD. Not brutal military aggression (ie. war), but occupation yes. | ||
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promiseme
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On March 17 2014 04:24 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Not really, but in any case, this is among the most ridiculous things I've seen stated in this thread. Also, doing about 5 seconds of digging turns up that this journalist Dmitry Kiselev is known for his hate speech and extreme comments. Way to take things out of context guys because one nutjob said something. We have a ton of those in the US too, even in California of all places. Also, what nunez said. :x exactly, Kiselev's programe based on high emotional patriotic speeches, that what he does not only for Creamea but, in general, thats the format of the program, it has nothing to do with what ppl actually think and officials position. | ||
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semantics
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On March 17 2014 04:24 promiseme wrote: Its not even illeagal, its just whats your media says. Actually the president of Ukrain and goverment of Creamea (both democraticly elected) officially asked Putin to send troops to protect ppl that doesnt aggree with coup d'etat and ppl that selfcalled themself in power, which never been elected to such role. Not a single gun shoot, just protective reasons, and ppl that they are protecting welcomes them with great enthusiasm. Yea, totally its illegal brutal military aggression and occupation, obvious xD. You do know even if that was 100% true those actions parallel to how monarchs and dictators act after they have been ousted from a country. Get another country to take it back for them. | ||
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promiseme
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On March 17 2014 04:28 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Not brutal military aggression (ie. war), but occupation yes. occupation means you take control of the territory in all ways, but politicaly Creame is totaly free noone took down their goverment and set a new one. They can make their own desicions, well it was their desicion to invite russians military to help them. So.. Not sure you can call it an occupation, Its a terminology question, if you think so, ok. | ||
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