Ukraine Crisis - Page 18

On January 21 2014 20:31 Nikon wrote:


That's actually not true. I don't know about Poland and Romania, but entanglement with the EU has had a largely negative effect on the quality of life for the common citizen of over here...

On January 21 2014 20:43 Doublemint wrote:


Elaborate please. I am genuinely curious.

On January 21 2014 18:07 Cheerio wrote:
Some videos of the latest events

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On January 21 2014 05:18 maybenexttime wrote:
You seem to make no difference between Russian Ukrainians (ethnic Russians - русские) and Russian-speaking Ukrainians (ethnic Ukrainians).

On January 20 2014 23:40 kalstrams wrote:
"Ukrainian Ukrainians" (West + Centre) (not Ukrainian Russians (East mostly))

On January 21 2014 22:24 mdb wrote:
I confirm everything nikon said. Anti EU sentiments are growing pretty fast, and thing are getting worse. I dont think we`ve had such rate of poverty in the years since WW2. Of course, we cant blame everything on EU, but since we got in everything is going downhill at a scary rate.

On January 21 2014 22:02 Nikon wrote:


Brief summary:

1) Enforcing European standards to local small-time producers makes them unable to compete with lower-grade import products cost-wise, effectively killing production, while failing to maintain quality. For example, I haven't eaten tomatoes in years cause all that's available right now is trash. And they're not exactly cheap either.
2) Extra bureacrats needed to man quality control comissions and such, leading to higher taxes.
3) Flat tax rate. Lol.
4) Big store chains everywhere, slowly grazing cash from the community.
5) Western companies buying out parts of previously state owned electricity and water networks, then having a hoo-ha with prices.
6) EU driven closure of reactors in our nuclear power plant. This is a really what the fuck moment here, we used to export electricity to Turkey before. Nowadays, when combined with 3), the costs of using a computer are prohibitively high if you're not well above minimum wage. Not a lot of people are. And I won't even going to mention electronics prices.
7) Gas prices are higher than they are in the USA. 1.35 Euro per litre. If you've ever heard a person from the States complain about fuel prices, it's worse over here.

Basically, cost of living is rising every day, with little to no quality to show for it. EU mandated production practices increase costs making local production unfeasible. As such, the average person's work occupation % is moving towards service sector. Coupled with the foreign companies' involvement, it means that the country is getting poorer each year. Reversing the trend is nigh-impossible with the limited amounts of production. The economy is fucked, hardcore. Service sector is not particularly labour intensive nowadays and young people struggle to find employment due to there being no new workspots being opened. We have 25%+ youth (29 and below) unemployment. People that have university diplomas are leaving the country en masse. Shit, people that don't have university diplomas are leaving in mass.

The government might as well not be there. It's not working. They just do what they're told by the EU government and that's that. As long as they get paid, it's all good. I mean, banning public smoking in a country that has a 60% of the population as smokers. Haha, oh wow...

Absolutely nothing is being done to remedy the situation. But hey, we have amazing alcohol tourism on the coast, you should come check it out!

Basically, cost of living is rising every day, with little to no quality to show for it.

On January 21 2014 22:02 Nikon wrote:


Brief summary:

1) Enforcing European standards to local small-time producers makes them unable to compete with lower-grade import products cost-wise, effectively killing production, while failing to maintain quality. For example, I haven't eaten tomatoes in years cause all that's available right now is trash. And they're not exactly cheap either.
2) Extra bureacrats needed to man quality control comissions and such, leading to higher taxes.
3) Flat tax rate. Lol.
4) Big store chains everywhere, slowly grazing cash from the community.
5) Western companies buying out parts of previously state owned electricity and water networks, then having a hoo-ha with prices.
6) EU driven closure of reactors in our nuclear power plant. This is a really what the fuck moment here, we used to export electricity to Turkey before. Nowadays, when combined with 3), the costs of using a computer are prohibitively high if you're not well above minimum wage. Not a lot of people are. And I won't even going to mention electronics prices.
7) Gas prices are higher than they are in the USA. 1.35 Euro per litre. If you've ever heard a person from the States complain about fuel prices, it's worse over here.

On January 21 2014 23:56 Nikon wrote:
What the fuck is your problem?

On January 21 2014 23:57 mdb wrote:
lol

On January 22 2014 00:00 Doublemint wrote:





Apparently I hit a nerve. lol.

On January 22 2014 00:02 Fildun wrote:

Yes, personal attacks usually do that. lol.

On January 22 2014 00:03 Doublemint wrote:


Personal_Attacks_ ?_? What personal attacks are you talking about?

On January 22 2014 00:07 Fildun wrote:

Well you basically just called them corrupt pieces of shit who are living of our money. I can imagine that they don't like that.

Also, please, voting politicians out of office? Isn't everybody in western Europe currently complaining that all politicians are shit, don't listen to us and that there are no alternatives? Ever thought that the same, but even worse, might be happening there too?

On January 22 2014 00:12 Doublemint wrote:


I called their politicians corrupt pieces of shit. Though that's, at least to some degree, true for about every country in the world ~ I never called >them< anything. And yes, if you don't like voting stupid politicians out of office then found your own party and/or become a politician. Apart from that there hardly is any alternative now, is there?

On January 22 2014 00:14 Fildun wrote:

You said, and I quote "Change that fucking mentality of 'corruption is ok'."
I think you actually meant the citizens there. Or at least that's the way it looked like to me.

And how do you think starting a political party in a corrupt system will work?

On January 22 2014 00:00 Pr0wler wrote:

1 - European stardarts are good. The thing is that the government doesn't care enough to encourage local producers.(Our own fault).
2 - Our taxes are going down ever since we entered EU... (And actually EU can't be blamed for any taxes)
3 - Flat tax has nothing to do with EU.
4 - These "Store chains" were here before the EU.
5 - We closed our Nuclear plants because of our corrupted politicians, that were paid to do it.
6 - Gas prices go up because the russians do whatever they want (nothing to do with EU)
Funny how people blame EU for everything, when it's their own fault that they live in a shithole. The only reason our economy is still alive and have some growth( 1% or something miserable like that) is actually the EU.

On January 22 2014 00:24 Doublemint wrote:


I see you are quite the optimist. If you don't start fighting for your voice to be heard, you lose it. Apathy is the exact opposite democracy is about. Meet like minded people, organize, hell I don't know. But if shit is that bad and your best point is that some external force is to blame for everything - things won't change on their own.