EPTOn September 17 2013 23:12 MLG_Adam wrote:
We are on the same page...I wish I could say more.
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On September 17 2013 23:11 Plansix wrote:
And that makes perfect sense and I don't blame anyone for bringing the start power to the events. I enjoy it as much as anyone else. I think the main fault was people thinking that the local scene would be able to keep up with Korea without any support or smaller, local events that focused on NA players. I think Dota 2 is in a better place to address that issue and because there are so many EU events going on that NA teams can get in the game time they need with events like Full Sail. Really, I just want more of those small, 7K to 10K cups, which seems to be the route everyone is going in Dota 2.
On September 17 2013 23:04 MLG_Adam wrote:
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
On September 17 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
On September 17 2013 22:51 MLG_Adam wrote:
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
On September 17 2013 22:50 Plansix wrote:
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
On September 17 2013 22:44 MLG_Adam wrote:
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
On September 17 2013 22:32 Plansix wrote:
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
On September 17 2013 22:25 teddyoojo wrote:
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
On September 17 2013 22:22 TMG26 wrote:
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You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
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You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
And that makes perfect sense and I don't blame anyone for bringing the start power to the events. I enjoy it as much as anyone else. I think the main fault was people thinking that the local scene would be able to keep up with Korea without any support or smaller, local events that focused on NA players. I think Dota 2 is in a better place to address that issue and because there are so many EU events going on that NA teams can get in the game time they need with events like Full Sail. Really, I just want more of those small, 7K to 10K cups, which seems to be the route everyone is going in Dota 2.
We are on the same page...I wish I could say more.
And ruin that carefully planned PR cycle? Parish the thought. We cannot stand in the way of the hype with our forum discussions.
