The next MLG event will take place in Colombus, Ohio starting on November 22-24th. The event includes a DotA 2 tournament, where top European teams were invited to, in addition to the North American teams. Natus Vincere was invited as well and will participate in the tournament.
MLG Colombus, as mentioned before, will take place on November 22-24 in one of the exhibition centers in the city. The following teams will compete for the total prize pool of $50 000:
1. Natus Vincere 2.Alliance 3.Fnatic 4.Evil Geniuses 5.Team Liquid 6.Winner of MLG Fall Invitational (takes place on 18.10) 7.Winner of the NA qualifiers (28.09 - 16.10) 8.Reserve slot
These 8 teams will compete for the $25 000 first place prize. There is no info yet about how the other half will be distributed.
There will be 2 stages in the tournament:
Group stage (8 teams, 1 group) Brackets (single elimination), 4 teams
That’s the only available info about the tournament. As soon as we get more info, you will be the first to find out more.
On September 17 2013 18:20 zaii wrote: Does Kaipi even have a sponsor that would send them to MLG?
No one's sure. Envy and co recently got new mice and Envy has been talking a ton about his NeedForSeat, which points towards KP being the new Quantic team. There's also rumours that KP is gonna be a second Dignitas team.
The only thing that's for certain is that KP had to provide proof to StarLadder that they would be able to attend the LAN finals if they qualified, after they dropped out last season because they didn't have sponsorship, and StarLadder let them join again.
On September 17 2013 18:21 Mouzone wrote: Feels like people have been speaking about this tournament for months already and it's in late November. Just can't feel the hype just yet.
I was hyped until I see the date,at least EG,Liquid, Fnatic and the last invited team will be more prepared and ready against Alliance and Na'Vi with the time gap.
On September 17 2013 18:19 ShiroKaisen wrote: Looking at that list I can't help but feel like once again, Kaipi is being left out of an event they absolutely deserve to be at.
Though I can't exactly argue with the idea that DK taking the 8th spot would be beyond sick.
I heard Ttesports eSports manager, snnatch, talking about getting DK to go overseas. He didn't state whether it was a foreign tournament or just an exhibition, but I think it would be one helluva tournament if DK was that reserved slot.
Interested to see what kind of casters they invite too. Does MLG have Dota2 casters on staff?
On September 17 2013 18:19 ShiroKaisen wrote: Looking at that list I can't help but feel like once again, Kaipi is being left out of an event they absolutely deserve to be at.
Though I can't exactly argue with the idea that DK taking the 8th spot would be beyond sick.
I heard Ttesports eSports manager, snnatch, talking about getting DK to go overseas. He didn't state whether it was a foreign tournament or just an exhibition, but I think it would be one helluva tournament if DK was that reserved slot.
Interested to see what kind of casters they invite too. Does MLG have Dota2 casters on staff?
Hmm, good for MLG that they were able to get Na'Vi and Alliance to attend.
Not so good for the US teams, with the two best teams in the world attending it'll be very tough for them to win this even on home soil.
In fact personally, I'd rather have not seen Na'Vi and Alliance attend. They already won TI3 and are guaranteed their "easy" money at every EMS and Starladder LAN. It'd be nice to see another team win a LAN with a big prizepool for a change. That's what i'll be hoping for anyway.
On September 17 2013 18:19 ShiroKaisen wrote: Looking at that list I can't help but feel like once again, Kaipi is being left out of an event they absolutely deserve to be at.
Though I can't exactly argue with the idea that DK taking the 8th spot would be beyond sick.
I heard Ttesports eSports manager, snnatch, talking about getting DK to go overseas. He didn't state whether it was a foreign tournament or just an exhibition, but I think it would be one helluva tournament if DK was that reserved slot.
Interested to see what kind of casters they invite too. Does MLG have Dota2 casters on staff?
Well, 2GD could get fired mid-cast again. Haha.
Hehe, I hope MLG aren't holding a grudge against him about that time, would be nice to see him and Bruno at MLG
That is a solid line up, good teams and room for up and coming teams to make their name in another tournament before qualifying. This is the way most Esports should be run, open brackets run months prior to the main event and a solid line up for the show.
Yeah i agree that not so many top-tier EU team shuld've been invited. Just Fnatic would have been fine, to add some spice, and then maybe a team from China. Calling so many "foreign" team just kill the local scene and make the tournaments usually unsustainable in the long term. It's an american toruney. let them american cheer for NA teams. If you call the top 2 european teams this make for potential upsets, but also make for possible EU only finals and i don't think people really want that. The NA scene is so underdeveloped right now that it need to be protected a bit imho. NEL is my favourite league right now, and america need more of it and more local tournaments to validate those players, not to throw them in a field with the top world teams at the first chance.
On September 17 2013 21:44 Gheizen64 wrote: Yeah i agree that not so many top-tier EU team shuld've been invited. Just Fnatic would have been fine, to add some spice, and then maybe a team from China. Calling so many "foreign" team just kill the local scene and make the tournaments usually unsustainable in the long term. It's an american toruney. let them american cheer for NA teams. If you call the top 2 european teams this make for potential upsets, but also make for possible EU only finals and i don't think people really want that. The NA scene is so underdeveloped right now that it need to be protected a bit imho. NEL is my favourite league right now, and america need more of it and more local tournaments to validate those players, not to throw them in a field with the top world teams at the first chance.
My 0.02$
I agree with you, one or two invites is nice, but too many EU invites will hurt the americans. IT just makes MLG some sort of early DH, instead of an American Tourny.
But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
That's why you invite a top team, and not 2 or 3 on 8 teams. Let's be frank, [A] would probably go all the way anyway, so you'd get a lot of NA vs [A] games, or NA vs Na'vi for that matter. That's good because you want to watch to root for the home teams, the underdogs, or whatever. But when you get 2-3 top teams, i think it's just annoying. SC2 tournaments were at their bests when they had a little number of Koreans and lots of foreign, and you'd watch all those games against Koreans to root for the "underdogs" to win. When you have 50% Korean invites, foreign just stop attending after a while, and i think the same would be true if they invite Na'vi + [A] and those two teams stomp everything. It's not as bad because the difference is nowhere as big as it was in SC2, but still. You remove a lot of motivations imho.
I would've invited Fnatic and i would've tried to get IG or Tongfu from China. Those are teams that i'd say are on par with the best NA team (well Fnatic right now is bad but i guess they'll get better soon) and can still create interest in the viewers. I'd watch that tournament for sure (well aside from terrible timezones). Even better, i would've invited a sea + china team, we get NA vs Europe often enough anyway. That would have made for a more interesting situation because it's so rare to see them against Western teams outside of TI.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
Exactly. Plus MLG can do a fine job supporting and building the NA scene by running qualifier events like the Full Sail tournament. These smaller events don't need the massive viewership a full scale event would, so they can have more reasonable prize pools and allow the NA teams to hack it out. Sure the play is going quite a bit lower that you could expect, but MLG will be able to figure out which teams are the ones to show on stream.
With this and Giant Bomb's Brad Shoemaker getting pretty deep into the community side of the game, I have high hopes we will a lot of fun NA stuff to come.
On September 17 2013 22:15 Kraznaya wrote: i dont agree that america should be protected; if the teams can afford to come more power to them
hell look at adl that excluded all the euro teams and that tourney was awful
otoh kp deserved an invite they have two americans ffs
Well that's fine and for major events, most people would agree. However, MLG has to run a business and they want local teams to do well, as it keeps viewership high. It is always in their interest to make sure that new and upcomming teams have a chance to qualify and play in other, smaller events. And EG and TL are both teams in the US, they are going to be invited to MLG.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Not alot less people. And na'vi and fnatic atract huge numbers.
Also, not so many foreign teams would foster the american scene.
On September 17 2013 18:19 ShiroKaisen wrote: Looking at that list I can't help but feel like once again, Kaipi is being left out of an event they absolutely deserve to be at.
Though I can't exactly argue with the idea that DK taking the 8th spot would be beyond sick.
I heard Ttesports eSports manager, snnatch, talking about getting DK to go overseas. He didn't state whether it was a foreign tournament or just an exhibition, but I think it would be one helluva tournament if DK was that reserved slot.
Interested to see what kind of casters they invite too. Does MLG have Dota2 casters on staff?
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
On September 17 2013 18:19 ShiroKaisen wrote: Looking at that list I can't help but feel like once again, Kaipi is being left out of an event they absolutely deserve to be at.
Though I can't exactly argue with the idea that DK taking the 8th spot would be beyond sick.
I heard Ttesports eSports manager, snnatch, talking about getting DK to go overseas. He didn't state whether it was a foreign tournament or just an exhibition, but I think it would be one helluva tournament if DK was that reserved slot.
Interested to see what kind of casters they invite too. Does MLG have Dota2 casters on staff?
Well, 2GD could get fired mid-cast again. Haha.
Wait, what?! When did this happen.
And I agree with Adam, I think MLG does enough on the side, you can't blame the only NA organizer for not doing enough when they're alone, they have to survive too.
Getting the viewer numbers is one side of the equation..
The other side is to make it actually worth it for NA teams to put in effort to get better (or form teams at all). If you're an unsponsored, aspiring-to-be-pro team like Stay Free (random example), what's the point of actually going for it all the way when you know that after Liquid/EG/Dignitas have claimed their spots the other 5 spots will be filled with EU teams? You won't even have a chance to reach the playoffs. If the tourney would've been filled with the 3 NA teams, a half-NA team KP and 4 unsponsored teams, you suddenly have a chance to reach those playoffs, maybe even win some money.
2011 saw the rise of amateur team FIRE (eventually coL) to rise to the level of the big boys. 2012 saw the rise of PotM Bottom (eventually Dignitas). 2013 saw a massive expansion of the Dota 2 player base and the rise of... absolutely nobody. It's looking pretty bleak with only very few shining stars appearing every year (players like Arteezy)
Full Sail is a great example of the kind of events the NA scene needs IMO. Like someone else said, Columbus is pretty much a Dreamhack on NA soil.
I find it tough to shake the feeling that MLG decided to go for the viewer numbers by inviting Alliance and Na'Vi, but I can't say I blame them! They're running a business after all. I'm excited either way,
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
the eu/na/kr(ch) relationship in dota2 is very different to the one in starcraft2.
do you remember how the america only tournament by TB went viewer wise?
and china can only focus on themselves as they have a strong enough viewership. do you know the viewership difference for the english stream when alliance/navi was playing in the 2 chinese tournaments? mlg simply cant afford to run a 50k tournament and only invite random amateur na teams+eg tl in terms of viewership. how many ppl are watching the qualifiers for mlg that run daily? not alot, simply cuz the teams are bad
also its not like na teams have 0 chance at beating alliance/navi...
i think the way MLG is handling the qualification/invite process is very good right now, it gives amateur teams a chance to get in the spotlight, potentially grab some money and get better. if anything, the na scene needs more of that for sc2, there are so many small tournaments in eu compared to na (like go4sc2 zotac all of this stuff) and it really really helps the eu scene together with the big tournaments like dreamhack (and it doesnt matter 2 shits that the europeans get crushed by koreans)
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
And that makes perfect sense and I don't blame anyone for bringing the start power to the events. I enjoy it as much as anyone else. I think the main fault was people thinking that the local scene would be able to keep up with Korea without any support or smaller, local events that focused on NA players. I think Dota 2 is in a better place to address that issue and because there are so many EU events going on that NA teams can get in the game time they need with events like Full Sail. Really, I just want more of those small, 7K to 10K cups, which seems to be the route everyone is going in Dota 2.
Edit: Also, I would be freaking out if I was running a multi-million $ event, so I am grateful you take the time to respond to folks like me.
On September 17 2013 21:59 MrCon wrote: But if you remove A and Navi from this list, you have another EMS tourney, with 20 or 30k stream viewers. If you want to "help the americans" you also have to have profitable tournaments (from an organizer pov), and Liquid vs EG that can happen online 3 times a week won't do it. I'm sure most people wanting more american teams aren't even watching most pure american competitions, and who would blame you.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
And that makes perfect sense and I don't blame anyone for bringing the start power to the events. I enjoy it as much as anyone else. I think the main fault was people thinking that the local scene would be able to keep up with Korea without any support or smaller, local events that focused on NA players. I think Dota 2 is in a better place to address that issue and because there are so many EU events going on that NA teams can get in the game time they need with events like Full Sail. Really, I just want more of those small, 7K to 10K cups, which seems to be the route everyone is going in Dota 2.
We are on the same page...I wish I could say more.
You could have [A] and Na'vi, but drop the fnatic and the reserved slot that is probably for china or EU.
2 invited overseas teams are enough, Na'vi and fnatics vs EG TL Dignitas would get a lot of viewers. Same if the invited were [A] and fnatic. but why the 3 of them + a reserved slot?
It pretty much a Dreamhack.
yes, why have a high lvl lan competition when u could also have a less interesting, less competitive usa focused tournament that alot less ppl watch and care about
Says the guy from Germany that already has a robust Esports scene. Don't be shocked that US fans have grown tried of having the fewest local events, almost no LANs and mass numbers of high level teams/players invited over to crush any chance of a US team winning. It happened in SC2 and the NA scene is sort of a joke(Korea part 2). I do question MLGs logic of inviting the two top EU teams to an event, since we pretty much know what the finals are going to be(unless Na'Vi goes full troll).
People don't want to protect US teams, but the do want them to have enough options to be able get in the play time they need to be competitive. There is nothing wrong with wanting to strengthen your local scene. China focuses on themselves first and does seem to care if foreign teams show up or not.
We ran a 300 team open qualifier for a 5 week NA only online league culminating in a NA only LAN event that will then feed into columbus.
We are running an additional NA open qualifier online for an additional Columbus spot.
We invited the 2 top NA teams.
That is half of the field for NA.
We have lots of plans for NA, have faith
I do Adam, I do. I just worry professionally, so this is the stuff I worry about. As I said before, open qualifier tournaments is the way to let up and coming teams cut their teeth and people should run more of them. That being said, I have seen [A] and Na'Vi play and they are crushing in their dominance. But as long as there are other events they are not in being run in NA, I am sure some teams will rise to the top and give them a run for their money. I am looking forward to the show.
Everything so far has been a test. NA has to have a scene, we have learned our lesson with other games...
#soon.
It wasn’t just you guys, the community as a whole thought it was a great idea to import all of Korea to every event. IPL 3 or 5(I can't remember, there were so many) was basically Code S part 2 with GSTL on the side. I was surprised that NA players even tried to compete. Its only now, 3 years later that we all realized that having the major leagues compete against the minor leagues only kills the minor league off. There is a reason college football feeds into the NFL. You can’t find champions if you don’t let them grow naturally. They don’t pit college golf players against Tiger Woods.
Understood, but remember that the Pro Circuit events are our multi million $ events that we need to treat as culmination points. The lead up and peripheral activity definitely needs shored up for NA, but the large events always need to be big enough to justify the costs for the tournament organizer.
And that makes perfect sense and I don't blame anyone for bringing the start power to the events. I enjoy it as much as anyone else. I think the main fault was people thinking that the local scene would be able to keep up with Korea without any support or smaller, local events that focused on NA players. I think Dota 2 is in a better place to address that issue and because there are so many EU events going on that NA teams can get in the game time they need with events like Full Sail. Really, I just want more of those small, 7K to 10K cups, which seems to be the route everyone is going in Dota 2.
We are on the same page...I wish I could say more.
And ruin that carefully planned PR cycle? Parish the thought. We cannot stand in the way of the hype with our forum discussions.
On September 17 2013 19:48 AwfuL_ wrote: Hmm, good for MLG that they were able to get Na'Vi and Alliance to attend.
Not so good for the US teams, with the two best teams in the world attending it'll be very tough for them to win this even on home soil.
In fact personally, I'd rather have not seen Na'Vi and Alliance attend. They already won TI3 and are guaranteed their "easy" money at every EMS and Starladder LAN. It'd be nice to see another team win a LAN with a big prizepool for a change. That's what i'll be hoping for anyway.
so what I think MLG are trying to set themselves (and maybe US LAN's in general) up as is the quasi-neutral ground for the big EU and asian teams to compete during times that aren't the International. I'd be thrilled if there were a handful of tournaments that were, by precedent, established as quasi-international (not International) tournaments in EU, China/SEA, and then in a neutral ground like the US. Eventually that does set up the US as the third member of the triumpatriate if they can improve enough. We already have G-1 League and Alienware Cup in China from last year, potentially MLG this year and maybe if EU can get their shit together and have a decent, non-league LAN that isn't Dreamhack which is a month before the International (or the EU leagues could do a G-1 and set up a Western qualifier, but that would require them to display competence which Starladder and ESL have apparently decided not to do). To me, it sounds pretty goddamned amazing, I don't know about you.
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