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DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
September 17 2013 08:40 GMT
#81
On September 17 2013 17:36 Necosarius wrote:
Hope to see Light stream some BW, his TvZ was amazing! GL to both Light and Flying <3

Actually he was seen on fish playing BW 2-3 months ago. AFAIR
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
September 17 2013 08:44 GMT
#82
Flying bolstering sospa toss ranks?
FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
September 17 2013 08:44 GMT
#83
It just so happens that now is the time where old BW pros are getting to that age where military service is daunting. still sad to see them go though
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
September 17 2013 08:47 GMT
#84
Kespa scene is going down fast....
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
KivTM
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia90 Posts
September 17 2013 08:50 GMT
#85
lol, SSL may as well be the new OSL now.
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
September 17 2013 08:52 GMT
#86
omg please stop retiring T_T
Information is everything
Srontgorrth
Profile Joined August 2012
United States204 Posts
September 17 2013 08:57 GMT
#87
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...
"i think that message boards were created so that shy people could be assholes"
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 09:05:20
September 17 2013 09:00 GMT
#88
On September 17 2013 17:57 Srontgorrth wrote:
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...

Not enough girls screaming and hiding their faces ;(

While every pro has his own reasons for retirement, we can say that everyone of them were hit by downsizing of Starcraft brand in Korea.

Seeing God young ho of BW asking fans to show, because chairs are empty.
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
September 17 2013 09:02 GMT
#89
On September 17 2013 17:11 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 16:02 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote:
The best terran who never won a tournament retired :C so long Light and GL in the military!


Sea, Midas, Iris were all better :p

It depends of the period.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 17 2013 09:03 GMT
#90
So many retires lately...
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
September 17 2013 09:04 GMT
#91
Looks like the elephant is rapidly going extinct. Good news for Broodwar fans mind you if these two do the SSL thing its going to get stacked with quality. In fact at this rate SSL will be a higher quality tournament than SC2 Code S lol

All we need now is for Flash and Jeadong to "retire" and move to SSL too
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 17 2013 09:06 GMT
#92
On September 17 2013 17:57 Srontgorrth wrote:
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...

I will explain in to you, most of them already know what life besides Starcraft2 looks like. Let's take the big starts like Boxer/Nada, they had their time and they come to a new game which is far inferior to what they were playing. No point in staying. Starcraft2 will end up with a few foreigners and koreans that don't see life besides the game so they keep holding to it even if they don't enjoy playing.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Patate
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada441 Posts
September 17 2013 09:08 GMT
#93
On September 17 2013 18:06 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 17:57 Srontgorrth wrote:
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...

I will explain in to you, most of them already know what life besides Starcraft2 looks like. Let's take the big starts like Boxer/Nada, they had their time and they come to a new game which is far inferior to what they were playing. No point in staying. Starcraft2 will end up with a few foreigners and koreans that don't see life besides the game so they keep holding to it even if they don't enjoy playing.


Wow! I did not expect you to say this
Dead game.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
September 17 2013 09:09 GMT
#94
On September 17 2013 18:06 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 17:57 Srontgorrth wrote:
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...

I will explain in to you, most of them already know what life besides Starcraft2 looks like. Let's take the big starts like Boxer/Nada, they had their time and they come to a new game which is far inferior to what they were playing. No point in staying. Starcraft2 will end up with a few foreigners and koreans that don't see life besides the game so they keep holding to it even if they don't enjoy playing.

I'd not have said it better xd
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
September 17 2013 09:11 GMT
#95
I will always remember Light with great fondness as the terran who got multiple CCs infested by Jaedong in the Ro4 back in BW.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
braller
Profile Joined January 2013
96 Posts
September 17 2013 09:12 GMT
#96
There've been a lot recently because contracts expire on September 1st.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
September 17 2013 09:14 GMT
#97
On September 17 2013 18:04 Topdoller wrote:
Looks like the elephant is rapidly going extinct. Good news for Broodwar fans mind you if these two do the SSL thing its going to get stacked with quality. In fact at this rate SSL will be a higher quality tournament than SC2 Code S lol

All we need now is for Flash and Jeadong to "retire" and move to SSL too

I doubt that will happen soon, im pretty sure Jaedong won't, F & J were properly marketed before switch and their value is quite high even if they are slumpin(not winning everything as they supposed to). See Jaedong doing well both on market side and not bad on results side.

However Flash is the tricky one, he always had his drive to be the best of the best, he proclaimed he is gonna be legend and win everything. So the obstacle for him may be the biggest one, there may be point where he will think to himself "Well it's not worth it ill just sit on my prize winning and go studying/army".
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 17 2013 09:17 GMT
#98
On September 17 2013 18:06 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 17:57 Srontgorrth wrote:
wow, what's going on with all these kespa pros jumping ship? really sad to see...

I will explain in to you, most of them already know what life besides Starcraft2 looks like. Let's take the big starts like Boxer/Nada, they had their time and they come to a new game which is far inferior to what they were playing. No point in staying. Starcraft2 will end up with a few foreigners and koreans that don't see life besides the game so they keep holding to it even if they don't enjoy playing.


I'm pretty sure there'll be people who enjoy playing the game.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-17 09:25:27
September 17 2013 09:20 GMT
#99
I really don't understand the whole SSL is going to become huge thing (I understand why it exists and I enjoy watching it)

Yes some pros are going to stream BW for a while and will probably play until their military service, but do people honestly think these people will play BW full time again? I know this forum is based entirely around eSports and the progaming scene, but being a BW progamer was not exactly a brilliant life, I mean look at Flash. He did pretty much nothing but practice 12-15 hours a day and he missed out on so many things. The only thing that went well for Flash is he made so much bank with that practice that it outweighed the issue.

There's just not enough money for those sorts of people to want to go back to BW and if anything they'll either try to get into LoL or just move on with a relatively normal life. It's a shame Flying and Light are retiring, but people don't seem to realise that being a progamer is still not a long time career path for a lot of people and many who have been doing it for years already now, especially after the transition to a new game might not either be making enough money to want to continue, or get bored with whatever game it is they're playing.
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pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
September 17 2013 09:26 GMT
#100
It really does seem like SC2 is dying slowly. All these pros retiring is a sad thing to see but at the same time I can't blame them
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