Imho it's pretty simple: If more Woman would play, more Woman would play good, acceptance of Woman would go up and due to now having a broader base more (good) casters would emerge.
This is btw. hardly an E-Sports issue... There are way less women in normal sporst broadcasting too and if they are often former active players that take the"experts" role... And even here stations seem to prefer Men?
I don't see much Drama/Insults.. But thats most probably because i don't go to Twitter and never start Twitch chat. All i see in treads like these are a ton of people white knighting and no actual women talking about the GENERAL"issue" (which is hardly an e-sports one). I mean.. Do you also go to forums and complain that there are not enough women in motorsports?
Btw: Women are also not exactly helping their case... Just look at Dota2 female teams... They are basically 100% pure marketing tools. Having female "progamers" battling it out against casters is also not exactly helping the case (at least if they don't win XX-0/1, it's more like these dumb boxing matches between a (bad/terrible) man and a woman..
On July 30 2013 16:12 Velr wrote: Imho it's pretty simple: If more Woman would play, more Woman would play good, acceptance of Woman would go up and due to now having a broader base more (good) casters would emerge.
This is btw. hardly an E-Sports issue... There are way less women in normal sporst broadcasting too and if they are often former active players that take the"experts" role... And even here stations seem to prefer Men?
I don't see much Drama/Insults.. But thats most probably because i don't go to Twitter and never start Twitch chat. All i see in treads like these are a ton of people white knighting and no actual women talking about the GENERAL"issue" (which is hardly an e-sports one). I mean.. Do you also go to forums and complain that there are not enough women in motorsports?
Btw: Women are also not exactly helping their case... Just look at Dota2 female teams... They are basically 100% pure marketing tools. Having female "progamers" battling it out against casters is also not exactly helping the case (at least if they don't win XX-0/1, it's more like these dumb boxing matches between a (bad/terrible) man and a woman..
do you remember "sirens". so out of all the good female league players thats who emerged? its not a sexist thing lol. its an accomplishment thing. there is probably NO ONE ON EARTH who can be good and be kept down at ANYTHING for long these days. if you are good, you will get respect. look at scarlett. shes a he and no one gives a shit anymore. you are a gamer, gamers are on the internet and everyone on the internet is the same gender. be good get praise be bad get the full force of internet hate
On July 30 2013 16:12 Velr wrote: Imho it's pretty simple: If more Woman would play, more Woman would play good, acceptance of Woman would go up and due to now having a broader base more (good) casters would emerge.
This is btw. hardly an E-Sports issue... There are way less women in normal sporst broadcasting too and if they are often former active players that take the"experts" role... And even here stations seem to prefer Men?
I don't see much Drama/Insults.. But thats most probably because i don't go to Twitter and never start Twitch chat. All i see in treads like these are a ton of people white knighting and no actual women talking about the GENERAL"issue" (which is hardly an e-sports one). I mean.. Do you also go to forums and complain that there are not enough women in motorsports?
Btw: Women are also not exactly helping their case... Just look at Dota2 female teams... They are basically 100% pure marketing tools. Having female "progamers" battling it out against casters is also not exactly helping the case (at least if they don't win XX-0/1, it's more like these dumb boxing matches between a (bad/terrible) man and a woman..
I agree completely with you. Posts like these are simply clueless about the reality of it. Significant gender Base = MC or caster of same gender
Just look at afternoon talk show TV, almost 100% constists of women. From Oprah to Ellen. Good luck to the guy trying to break into afternoon talk show television.
On July 30 2013 16:11 Gr33n wrote: people who are talking about aujlie or wahtever her name is, where is she now lol. she quit at diamond league i think but she was "on a team" they "wanted her on the team".
most "girl gamers" i see are pretenders
the problem will always be that if you are not good, you will not be accepted. when i went to basketball camp i had been playing AAU since i was old enough, we won states 2 years in a row and i was good, naturally i was automatically accepted by my peers at these camps but my friend who was not very good, clearly did not fit in as well as me.
this is life. is it unfair? sure but thats how it is. when girl gamers start to win tournys and they STILL give her shit, then we can revisit such topics. im fairly sure no one shit talks flo but im 100 percent sure they shittalk kellymilkies, ajuile, and lauren elise. they are not doing it because they are women, they are doing it because they are pretenders and get attention because they are 1 girl in a room of 1000 guys no matter how little they care about the game or how bad they are
when you are in an area for a long time with 0 women and randomly one shows up, no matter how unattractive the offer is it becomes better over time.
So your conclusions are "most girls are pretenders" and "don't care about the game." Also, you named three people there. So you should provide an argument for each one please.
The problem is you provided no evidence to support your claim. I wouldn't even know where to start reconstructing your argument. Here's my try.
1)If girls don't win tournaments, they are pretenders and don't care about the game. < Terrible false assumption. 2) Girls don't win tournaments. 3) Girls are pretenders and don't care about the game.
Now, that might be considered "cheap," but that's basically what you're saying. No basis in logic.
On July 30 2013 06:15 Thieving Magpie wrote: [quote]
Although Moletrap isn't as funny, I do love his enthusiasm. I feel like he and Khaldor would be a great team if it wasn't for Moletrap's voice.
Milkes had similar problems and she was derided for it.
But the reason I wanted bring up Milkes is to show that GOM *has* tried to bring in women casters. Women are being brought in from the sidelines all the time. They get the wrong attention more often than not and they eventually disappear.
So I know that its not a case of companies not wanting women casters/non-casters. I also know that there *are* women casters out there and if someone like Moletrap can get caster gigs I'm certain that there are women out there at least better than Moletrap.
So I wouldn't say that its purely because there aren't women casters. There are very few of them, but non-existent would be a stretch.
Sorry bud but they aren't similar at all. I thought I already debunked this myth earlier in the thread. I wouldn't really call that trying and she was ill-equipped for the job to begin with because of her enunciation more than anything else. That was the real problem and then you add in all the other bullshit. It's fully loaded. There are plenty of women doing just fine in the gaming industry even if it's male dominated. I would drop the comparisons though between Moletrap because that is a different can of worms and it goes beyond gender.
Fully loaded?
I said that people had a problem with her voice much like they had a problem with Moletrap's voice--how is that loaded?
I thought I was pretty clear. Enunciation is not the same thing as voice. Being able to articulate your ideas clearly is different from having a irritating voice. You either have the skill set or you don't. Here's a separate thought for you: you could be the most knowledgeable player on the face of the earth but that doesn't necessarily mean you will be a great broadcaster if you cannot articulate your ideas clearly to your audience. You wouldn't get hired. Moletrap is a different case. Stop trying to compare the two; it's a fool's errand.
On July 30 2013 07:54 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On July 30 2013 07:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Or you know, maybe people who don't have pleasing voices to the ear SHOULDN'T cast?
I don't know who you are arguing with. I'm assuming its me (because I brought up Milkes and Moletrap having voice problems)
I have not defended either. They both have annoying voices. As I said, I would love to have Moletrap and Khaldor casting together--but I hate Moletrap's voice too much.
Milkes was brought up to show that tournaments have tried bringing in female casters, but money only goes to the people the community "respects."
and we're telling you it's a bad example because she shouldn't have been hired by GOM to begin with. Why? As I said many times before, she didn't have the proper skill set. Stop latching onto one thing because there are many success stories in the biz where women are doing their thing and they're happy to be apart of it.
Neither her nor Moletrap had the proper skill set; neither should have been hired. She might have had a more foreign voice, but moletrap also had problematic speech patterns and ridiculous squeals. Both were about as wrong as the other in their readings of the game (although in their defense, they were about as accurate as Tasteless was during the first two years of GSL)
This should all be very clear in my first post wherein I stated that Gom tried to hire a female caster and she was attacked by the community, and then amended that by showing that the community treated a male caster in a similar fashion. I do not understand your vehement denial of recent history.
Gom tried a female caster, she failed. She failed for the same reasons Moletrap failed. Gom won't risk putting in people who sound/speak like them again because of that failure. Why did they fail? Because they community did not like them.
That is what was said. You keep thinking some kind of agenda is present that isn't.
I explained it several times already and I hate repeating myself. You keep missing the point. It has way more to it than gender though and that's why I called it a fully loaded gun. Another point missed: I wouldn't say she failed. I'd say GOM failed her and don't mix up different skill sets. I don't deny history lmao. Filter out the shit man and focus on the bare bones. In either case we're done here because this is going around in circles.
Since you don't read what you're arguing against let me show you the last two sentences of my post that set you off.
"So maybe its a voice thing? The manlier the voice, the more the gaming community likes them."
You say that its more than just a gender thing. And, in the post you're arguing against, the person you are arguing against literally says "So maybe its a voice thing?"
Oh I read it and I laughed at the manlier voice thing. You keep overlapping the two. I'm telling you to try and separate them lol. I know plenty of women sports casters who've done exceptionally well. I'm talking in general. They're all very well-spoken and their voices are different.
When the community chased off Milkes they did not chase away "all women casters" they simply chased off milkes. Milkes and Moletrap being lambasted for their voices is what happened. You knowing female casters without Milkes' or Moltrap's voice problems does not change what happened to Milkes and Moletrap.
You seem to think any comment brought up about Milkes is a comment for all women.
That's not what happened at all. I said separate articulation and voice because they aren't the same thing yet you continue to pick at the overlap. I've been saying ignore the sexism and other bullshit. If you cast you are going to be bombarded regardless. You try to make it sound like I wasn't there when I was deep in the trenches trying to get rid of the shit. I've heard it all bud. Don't think so? Check my filter.
Wait, let me get this straight.
When someone says that milkes and moletrap were chased away for similar reasons; you think that person is bringing up sexism? Did you literally tell me to stop bringing up sexism because I'm talking about moletrap getting chased off for similar reasons that Milkes was chased off?
Do you not read what you're saying before posting?
On July 30 2013 16:11 Gr33n wrote: people who are talking about aujlie or wahtever her name is, where is she now lol. she quit at diamond league i think but she was "on a team" they "wanted her on the team".
most "girl gamers" i see are pretenders
the problem will always be that if you are not good, you will not be accepted. when i went to basketball camp i had been playing AAU since i was old enough, we won states 2 years in a row and i was good, naturally i was automatically accepted by my peers at these camps but my friend who was not very good, clearly did not fit in as well as me.
this is life. is it unfair? sure but thats how it is. when girl gamers start to win tournys and they STILL give her shit, then we can revisit such topics. im fairly sure no one shit talks flo but im 100 percent sure they shittalk kellymilkies, ajuile, and lauren elise. they are not doing it because they are women, they are doing it because they are pretenders and get attention because they are 1 girl in a room of 1000 guys no matter how little they care about the game or how bad they are
when you are in an area for a long time with 0 women and randomly one shows up, no matter how unattractive the offer is it becomes better over time.
So your conclusions are "most girls are pretenders" and "don't care about the game." Also, you named three people there.
The problem is you provided no evidence to support your claim. I wouldn't even know where to start reconstructing your argument. Here's my try.
1)If girls don't win tournaments, they are pretenders and don't care about the game. < Terrible false assumption. 2) Girls don't win tournaments. 3) Girls are pretenders and don't care about the game.
Now, that might be considered "cheap," but that's basically what you're saying. No basis in logic.
By this logic; we should tar and feather the likes of Tasteless, DJwheat, Bitter, rotter, pajamas, Khaldor, artosis, incontrol, machine, Nony, Etc... They never win anything, they must all be pretenders.
Oh wait, winning tournaments has NEVER been a requirement to become a caster.
Milkies - chased away for being a bad caster moletrap - same deal no one is sexist who matters lol
WHO ELSE IS THERE. the reason there are no other girls big in the game is that no other girls LIKE the game. as the "siren video" shows 90 percent of league is played by men, NINE ZERO. im willing to bet even more percentage is male played for sc2. as a result, less girls are showcased but more importantly less girls who attempt to get good at playing or casting actually are good at playing or casting
its so much easier for a DECENT girl caster to get noticed then a decent male caster. its my belief that because there are virtually no females playing sc2 if there was EVER a single truly decent female caster she would get a first class ticket to the front of the line. that girl zombie whatever i watched her cast, she defers to her partner, her voice is meh and what are her credentials? she didnt offer any insight so is she a play by play rather then analytical caster? she didnt talk much is she scared of speaking over others or maybe she isnt that practiced and doesnt take openings or have synergy with this guy caste shes with
"why are there no female casters" answer - because there are currently no good female casters that we know of
This is a pretty good reference to casters who have public accounts they keep up to date.
The question is how many women have demonstrated a high level knowledge of starcraft? Not many. You can debate the reasons for it, but the best, most loved casters are the analysts who obtained and maintain a somewhat high level of play. Incontrol, Rotterdam, idra, Take, Artosis, Engine, Apollo, these are the favorites. Who do people complain about? SNM, Whiplash, Totalbiscuit, Robin, Wolf, and a ton of others you might not have even heard of.
So yeah, an accomplished female player is probably your best source for a female caster. We have some ladies in the scene who can hold GM and make showings at tournaments, any of them would probably be fine casters.
On July 30 2013 16:50 Gr33n wrote: Milkies - chased away for being a bad caster moletrap - same deal no one is sexist who matters lol
WHO ELSE IS THERE. the reason there are no other girls big in the game is that no other girls LIKE the game. as the "siren video" shows 90 percent of league is played by men, NINE ZERO. im willing to bet even more percentage is male played for sc2. as a result, less girls are showcased but more importantly less girls who attempt to get good at playing or casting actually are good at playing or casting
its so much easier for a DECENT girl caster to get noticed then a decent male caster. its my belief that because there are virtually no females playing sc2 if there was EVER a single truly decent female caster she would get a first class ticket to the front of the line. that girl zombie whatever i watched her cast, she defers to her partner, her voice is meh and what are her credentials? she didnt offer any insight so is she a play by play rather then analytical caster? she didnt talk much is she scared of speaking over others or maybe she isnt that practiced and doesnt take openings or have synergy with this guy caste shes with
"why are there no female casters" answer - because there are currently no good female casters that we know of
I love how you dodged my post. You already bad mouthed 3 female gamers/casters, while providing no evidence. Now you're bad mouthing another. She's Master league.
What league are you in man? Not that it matters, but I will find it funny when I find out you're bad mouthing your superiors (in rank). Her game knowledge is superior to yours. THat's why you don't understand. This is often the case when people bm casters. I find it funny when people like you bm axslav and gretorp for being nubs when they are gms or former gms.
On July 30 2013 16:50 Gr33n wrote: Milkies - chased away for being a bad caster moletrap - same deal no one is sexist who matters lol
WHO ELSE IS THERE. the reason there are no other girls big in the game is that no other girls LIKE the game. as the "siren video" shows 90 percent of league is played by men, NINE ZERO. im willing to bet even more percentage is male played for sc2. as a result, less girls are showcased but more importantly less girls who attempt to get good at playing or casting actually are good at playing or casting
its so much easier for a DECENT girl caster to get noticed then a decent male caster. its my belief that because there are virtually no females playing sc2 if there was EVER a single truly decent female caster she would get a first class ticket to the front of the line. that girl zombie whatever i watched her cast, she defers to her partner, her voice is meh and what are her credentials? she didnt offer any insight so is she a play by play rather then analytical caster? she didnt talk much is she scared of speaking over others or maybe she isnt that practiced and doesnt take openings or have synergy with this guy caste shes with
"why are there no female casters" answer - because there are currently no good female casters that we know of
I love how you dodged my post. You already bad mouthed 3 female gamers/casters, while providing no evidence. Now you're bad mouthing another. She's Master league.
What league are you in man? Not that it matters, but I will find it funny when I find out you're bad mouthing your superiors (in rank). Her game knowledge is superior to yours. THat's why you don't understand. This is often the case when people bm casters. I find it funny when people like you bm axslav and gretorp for being nubs when they are gms or former gms.
Rank doesn't always transfer over to game knowledge. Not being GM doesn't mean you don't have a strong grasp of how the matchups play out and solid theories on what combinations or situations look good for a player. Additionally, it's not sufficient that her knowledge be better than the avg person. It needs to be far better, offer something interesting and be presented in an intelligible and enjoyable manner.
The cutthroat talent theory isn't that great either. Chobra absolutely murders everyone else. Everyone else who tried to translate for broadcast. Only Smix has begun to approach Chobra.
On July 30 2013 16:50 Gr33n wrote: Milkies - chased away for being a bad caster moletrap - same deal no one is sexist who matters lol
WHO ELSE IS THERE. the reason there are no other girls big in the game is that no other girls LIKE the game. as the "siren video" shows 90 percent of league is played by men, NINE ZERO. im willing to bet even more percentage is male played for sc2. as a result, less girls are showcased but more importantly less girls who attempt to get good at playing or casting actually are good at playing or casting
its so much easier for a DECENT girl caster to get noticed then a decent male caster. its my belief that because there are virtually no females playing sc2 if there was EVER a single truly decent female caster she would get a first class ticket to the front of the line. that girl zombie whatever i watched her cast, she defers to her partner, her voice is meh and what are her credentials? she didnt offer any insight so is she a play by play rather then analytical caster? she didnt talk much is she scared of speaking over others or maybe she isnt that practiced and doesnt take openings or have synergy with this guy caste shes with
"why are there no female casters" answer - because there are currently no good female casters that we know of
I love how you dodged my post. You already bad mouthed 3 female gamers/casters, while providing no evidence. Now you're bad mouthing another. She's Master league.
What league are you in man? Not that it matters, but I will find it funny when I find out you're bad mouthing your superiors (in rank). Her game knowledge is superior to yours. THat's why you don't understand. This is often the case when people bm casters. I find it funny when people like you bm axslav and gretorp for being nubs when they are gms or former gms.
Rank doesn't always transfer over to game knowledge. Not being GM doesn't mean you don't have a strong grasp of how the matchups play out and solid theories on what combinations or situations look good for a player. Additionally, it's not sufficient that her knowledge be better than the avg person. It needs to be far better, offer something interesting and be presented in an intelligible and enjoyable manner.
The cutthroat talent theory isn't that great either. Chobra absolutely murders everyone else. Everyone else who tried to translate for broadcast. Only Smix has begun to approach Chobra.
Lol, give me a break man. If you want to have your games casted by toddlers or girls in bikinis or some smuck in a fancy suit or whatever flloats your boat, that's fine.
BUT, don't tell me rank doesn't matter. I'll take a high master/grand master any day of the week over someone who's good at articulation.
This is a pretty good reference to casters who have public accounts they keep up to date.
The question is how many women have demonstrated a high level knowledge of starcraft? Not many. You can debate the reasons for it, but the best, most loved casters are the analysts who obtained and maintain a somewhat high level of play. Incontrol, Rotterdam, idra, Take, Artosis, Engine, Apollo, these are the favorites. Who do people complain about? SNM, Whiplash, Totalbiscuit, Robin, Wolf, and a ton of others you might not have even heard of.
So yeah, an accomplished female player is probably your best source for a female caster. We have some ladies in the scene who can hold GM and make showings at tournaments, any of them would probably be fine casters.
What are you talking about?
Wolf and Khaldor are professional casters at GOM, Totalbiscuit has a HUGE fanbase, DJWheat is eSports gold, DOA and Catspajamas was a fantastic duo, Husky has a ridiculously massive following.
A much tinier community complains about those guys than love them.
Heck, if your link is accurate, it takes silver league knowledge to a professional job as a caster.
Skill in the game is not what determines whether someone is a caster.
I'll try to cover all that's been said here but it might get lenghty...
First of I'm a girl, I work for Millenium (yes, I have a contract and all), I am in charge of the Starcraft 2 section of millenium.org website and I cast on the TV. I am top diamond on EU, never got to Masters T_T especially now my playing time has been drastically reduced. Since I joined Millenium I have no time to play anymore but I still watch as many streams as humanly possible. So I am pretty much a huge starcraft nerd, only I got tits, yeah...
I do believe I got in Millenium mostly because I'm a girl and Millenium's manager thought he'd give me a chance. I worked for free during 5 months total and I started on the TV by hosting a show with MaddeLisk where I would be translating her interactions with the French viewers essentially. Trust me when I say I worked my ass off, and I still do. I now have grown to appear multiple times a week on the TV, in multiple shows and casting Zotac on sundays as well as events like DreamHack or the upcoming ASUS ROG along with the main caster of Millenium's TV.
I do get the "marry me", "I'd f*ck you hard", "You got nice tits" kinda bullshit. I'm very far from being an attention whore and more than anything, I love this game and I managed to make it my job which is absolutely amazing and for which I am more than thankful. I also get the hate, because I'm "only" diamond even though I consider that my level doesn't reflect my knowledge of the game seeing how little time I have to play.
Either way, and sorry for the long post, the only thing I wanna say is : I don't give a damn what people say about me. I LOVE THIS GAME and I intend to continue doing my job no matter what people may throw at me, simply because it's not part of my DNA to give up. I'd like to get to Masters, in all three races, just to make them shut up but again, I don't have time. For the rest, I think I do a good job and I think that my promotion and the fact that I got a contract has NOTHING to do with me being a girl, and everything with how hard I work.
So about "female" casters and everything that has been said in this thread, my viewpoint is exactly what some guy said :
On July 28 2013 20:01 eX Killy wrote: if theyre good they will rise, otherwise there's no need to promote mediocre (female, but also includes males if you think im being sexist) casters as anything else other than just mediocre casters. i'd rather ld cast than some random female talk on the mic. i'd also rather knowledgeable female casters cast over having to listen to tobi wan slurp na'vi, but we cant have everything we ask for.
On July 30 2013 16:50 Gr33n wrote: Milkies - chased away for being a bad caster moletrap - same deal no one is sexist who matters lol
WHO ELSE IS THERE. the reason there are no other girls big in the game is that no other girls LIKE the game. as the "siren video" shows 90 percent of league is played by men, NINE ZERO. im willing to bet even more percentage is male played for sc2. as a result, less girls are showcased but more importantly less girls who attempt to get good at playing or casting actually are good at playing or casting
its so much easier for a DECENT girl caster to get noticed then a decent male caster. its my belief that because there are virtually no females playing sc2 if there was EVER a single truly decent female caster she would get a first class ticket to the front of the line. that girl zombie whatever i watched her cast, she defers to her partner, her voice is meh and what are her credentials? she didnt offer any insight so is she a play by play rather then analytical caster? she didnt talk much is she scared of speaking over others or maybe she isnt that practiced and doesnt take openings or have synergy with this guy caste shes with
"why are there no female casters" answer - because there are currently no good female casters that we know of
I love how you dodged my post. You already bad mouthed 3 female gamers/casters, while providing no evidence. Now you're bad mouthing another. She's Master league.
What league are you in man? Not that it matters, but I will find it funny when I find out you're bad mouthing your superiors (in rank). Her game knowledge is superior to yours. THat's why you don't understand. This is often the case when people bm casters. I find it funny when people like you bm axslav and gretorp for being nubs when they are gms or former gms.
Rank doesn't always transfer over to game knowledge. Not being GM doesn't mean you don't have a strong grasp of how the matchups play out and solid theories on what combinations or situations look good for a player. Additionally, it's not sufficient that her knowledge be better than the avg person. It needs to be far better, offer something interesting and be presented in an intelligible and enjoyable manner.
The cutthroat talent theory isn't that great either. Chobra absolutely murders everyone else. Everyone else who tried to translate for broadcast. Only Smix has begun to approach Chobra.
Lol, give me a break man. If you want to have your games casted by toddlers or girls in bikinis or some smuck in a fancy suit or whatever flloats your boat, that's fine.
BUT, don't tell me rank doesn't matter. I'll take a high master/grand master any day of the week over someone who's good at articulation.
Agree with you 100% man. If it's not Artosis, or a pro gamer casting, I can't be bothered to unmute.
On July 30 2013 17:08 Gr33n wrote: artosis is masters and everyone calls him the greatest mind in sc2.
so since ive been masters as all 3 races am i also capable of being a smart person in sc2? according to you that makes me qualified
im not shit talking FEMALES im bashing bad sc2 casters. i dislike male ones too what?
list the good girl casters. go ahead
i will respond to any caster you list but please list some female casters
"You've been masters" so you're not masters. Let's get that out of the way.
You are bashing females. Look at the first premise of your arguement: "1)If girls don't win tournaments, they are pretenders and don't care about the game. "
I don't need to provide you with any female casters. Though I've seen several master league females I have been impressed with. THey do exist, though you are futilely trying to prove otherwise.
I'll try to cover all that's been said here but it might get lenghty...
First of I'm a girl, I work for Millenium (yes, I have a contract and all), I am in charge of the Starcraft 2 section of millenium.org website and I cast on the TV. I am top diamond on EU, never got to Masters T_T especially now my playing time has been drastically reduced. Since I joined Millenium I have no time to play anymore but I still watch as many streams as humanly possible. So I am pretty much a huge starcraft nerd, only I got tits, yeah...
I do believe I got in Millenium mostly because I'm a girl and Millenium's manager thought he'd give me a chance. I worked for free during 5 months total and I started on the TV by hosting a show with MaddeLisk where I would be translating her interactions with the French viewers essentially. Trust me when I say I worked my ass off, and I still do. I now have grown to appear multiple times a week on the TV, in multiple shows and casting Zotac on sundays as well as events like DreamHack or the upcoming ASUS ROG along with the main caster of Millenium's TV.
I do get the "marry me", "I'd f*ck you hard", "You got nice tits" kinda bullshit. I'm very far from being an attention whore and more than anything, I love this game and I managed to make it my job which is absolutely amazing and for which I am more than thankful. I also get the hate, because I'm "only" diamond even though I consider that my level doesn't reflect my knowledge of the game seeing how little time I have to play.
Either way, and sorry for the long post, the only thing I wanna say is : I don't give a damn what people say about me. I LOVE THIS GAME and I intend to continue doing my job no matter what people may throw at me, simply because it's not part of my DNA to give up. I'd like to get to Masters, in all three races, just to make them shut up but again, I don't have time. For the rest, I think I do a good job and I think that my promotion and the fact that I got a contract has NOTHING to do with me being a girl, and everything with how hard I work.
So about "female" casters and everything that has been said in this thread, my viewpoint is exactly what some guy said :
On July 28 2013 20:01 eX Killy wrote: if theyre good they will rise, otherwise there's no need to promote mediocre (female, but also includes males if you think im being sexist) casters as anything else other than just mediocre casters. i'd rather ld cast than some random female talk on the mic. i'd also rather knowledgeable female casters cast over having to listen to tobi wan slurp na'vi, but we cant have everything we ask for.
this is EXACTLY what i said. if you are a good caster male or female, we want to hear you cast tournys. we are all genderless on the internet
also you are the minority. the girls who are popular are obvious to see why. just go watch streams and take note of webcams. female casters are a voice. no one sees "what she looks like" no one judges a female caster on superficial aspects so if there are good female casters TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS, the tournys will use them ALLLLLLLLLLLLL day.
my question remains, where are all the female casters at? answer - atm there are not any good ones that we have heard about but there are PLENTY of good female PLAYERS which have NOTHING to do with CASTING
and no im masters as we speak lol guy or girl who cant seem to move past this? i came back after a 2 year break and got masters on two accounts without knowing anything about the game, new strats, new units, my mechanics started off like shit but i got in because im just faster then everyone.
my best attribute is my game understanding and I used to coach people back in the day who can attest to my ability to articulate and "teach" people the game. im qualified to make such posts but way to derail a topic of which the question
"where are the female casters at" turns into "hey guy i bet ur not masters"
well done lol
and to my point about pretenders? there are so many female (and male pretenders)
where is doa? he clearly wasnt that into sc2 that hes now casting league. if he cared about sc2 he woulda tried to keep making it as a caster. me personally i hate league and value sc2 above it to such a degree the thought of ditching sc2 for league hurts my soul.
where is aujile? she doesnt even play sc2 that i can see
where is kellymilkies? dota 2. clearly she loved sc2
pretenders dont have a sex, they are people who pretend they like games or say they are more into the games then they really are. idn about you but most of the "gamers" hate girls who pretend to be gamers more then anything else. girls who pretend to be "nerds" but are good looking and bad at the game are not real nerds. generally they are doing it for attention or if they are not intentionally doing it, dont mind its happening
- this is how i feel about pretenders. i used to play basketball for my high school and even though i was the starting shooting guard, i wasnt friends with ANYONE because i was a nerd.
female casters if they are good WILL BE HIRED/NOTICED/TREATED FAIRLY stop pretending its sexism IT IS NOT
I'll try to cover all that's been said here but it might get lenghty...
First of I'm a girl, I work for Millenium (yes, I have a contract and all), I am in charge of the Starcraft 2 section of millenium.org website and I cast on the TV. I am top diamond on EU, never got to Masters T_T especially now my playing time has been drastically reduced. Since I joined Millenium I have no time to play anymore but I still watch as many streams as humanly possible. So I am pretty much a huge starcraft nerd, only I got tits, yeah...
I do believe I got in Millenium mostly because I'm a girl and Millenium's manager thought he'd give me a chance. I worked for free during 5 months total and I started on the TV by hosting a show with MaddeLisk where I would be translating her interactions with the French viewers essentially. Trust me when I say I worked my ass off, and I still do. I now have grown to appear multiple times a week on the TV, in multiple shows and casting Zotac on sundays as well as events like DreamHack or the upcoming ASUS ROG along with the main caster of Millenium's TV.
I do get the "marry me", "I'd f*ck you hard", "You got nice tits" kinda bullshit. I'm very far from being an attention whore and more than anything, I love this game and I managed to make it my job which is absolutely amazing and for which I am more than thankful. I also get the hate, because I'm "only" diamond even though I consider that my level doesn't reflect my knowledge of the game seeing how little time I have to play.
Either way, and sorry for the long post, the only thing I wanna say is : I don't give a damn what people say about me. I LOVE THIS GAME and I intend to continue doing my job no matter what people may throw at me, simply because it's not part of my DNA to give up. I'd like to get to Masters, in all three races, just to make them shut up but again, I don't have time. For the rest, I think I do a good job and I think that my promotion and the fact that I got a contract has NOTHING to do with me being a girl, and everything with how hard I work.
So about "female" casters and everything that has been said in this thread, my viewpoint is exactly what some guy said :
On July 28 2013 20:01 eX Killy wrote: if theyre good they will rise, otherwise there's no need to promote mediocre (female, but also includes males if you think im being sexist) casters as anything else other than just mediocre casters. i'd rather ld cast than some random female talk on the mic. i'd also rather knowledgeable female casters cast over having to listen to tobi wan slurp na'vi, but we cant have everything we ask for.
this is EXACTLY what i said. if you are a good caster male or female, we want to hear you cast tournys. we are all genderless on the internet
also you are the minority. the girls who are popular are obvious to see why. just go watch streams. female casters are a voice. no one sees "what she looks like" no one judges a female caster on superficial aspects so if there are good female casters TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS, the tournys will use them ALLLLLLLLLLLLL day.
my question remains, where are all the female casters at? answer - atm there are not any good ones that we have heard about but there are PLENTY of good female PLAYERS which have NOTHING to do with CASTING
and no im masters as we speak lol guy or girl who cant seem to move past this? i came back after a 2 year break and got masters on two accounts without knowing anything about the game, new strats, new units, my mechanics started off like shit but i got in because im just faster then everyone.
my best attribute is my game understanding and I used to coach people back in the day who can attest to my ability to articulate and "teach" people the game. im qualified to make such posts but way to derail a topic of which the question
"where are the female casters at" turns into "hey guy i bet ur not masters"
well done lol
Scarlett...
that's one competitive pro gamer. The rest are bad, I don't know how you come up with all these "good" female players.
I'm not sure that's 'exactly' what you said in fairness Gr33n.
I do tend to agree with your viewpoint in certain respect. Get on with it, stop complaining and making 'The perception of women in E-sports' videos, and go put in some graft. I am slightly exaggerating here, probably articulating myself a bit harshly but the sentiment is genuine.
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