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On July 23 2013 09:31 EiBmoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 08:12 Sub40APM wrote:On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game by every measure on behindthenet he is a worse player now than he was two years ago. in playoffs he is downright abysmal. based on what? his -8 vs chicago? gee lets fault someone for losing the the best team in the league this year an two of la's top defenseman were hurt quit it man b/c stats show you're talking out of your ass
His stats were awful the year they won the cup too.
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BoBROVSKY.
How is he not even being mentioned?
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On July 23 2013 11:03 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:31 EiBmoZ wrote:On July 23 2013 08:12 Sub40APM wrote:On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game by every measure on behindthenet he is a worse player now than he was two years ago. in playoffs he is downright abysmal. based on what? his -8 vs chicago? gee lets fault someone for losing the the best team in the league this year an two of la's top defenseman were hurt quit it man b/c stats show you're talking out of your ass His stats were awful the year they won the cup too.
really? rofl
you might want to take that back seeing how he was 5th in playoff scoring the year they won the cup with a +11
now quit talking out of your ass b/c it's clear you are clueless
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On July 23 2013 11:05 Mazer wrote:
BoBROVSKY.
How is he not even being mentioned?
1 good half year. Albeit a very good half year on a very bad team.
He could easily force his way onto all of our lists with 2-3 more years close to the caliber of last season
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On July 23 2013 09:10 sharkeyanti wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game While I agree that Doughty's stats prove him to be an elite player, comparing his turnovers to a forward doesn't really work. And it's doubly unfair because it's per game, instead of per 60 min. There's also a fair amount of rink bias for how turnovers/takeways are awarded.
yeah agreed with this entirely. turnover/takeaway can be interesting to compare, but only forward-forward and d-d, and even then, there's a lot of home team bias like there is for hits.
and yeah, while bobs definitely hasnt proved enough be in the top 5 yet, i definitely did omit him from young guys who could end up being very good. i really wasnt too big on the whole bryz signing that kicked him out of philly because i thought he had potential to be pretty good... and that contract was awful
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On July 23 2013 11:41 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 09:10 sharkeyanti wrote:On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game While I agree that Doughty's stats prove him to be an elite player, comparing his turnovers to a forward doesn't really work. And it's doubly unfair because it's per game, instead of per 60 min. There's also a fair amount of rink bias for how turnovers/takeways are awarded. yeah agreed with this entirely. turnover/takeaway can be interesting to compare, but only forward-forward and d-d, and even then, there's a lot of home team bias like there is for hits.
i guess you missed the part where i said the only reason i was even talking about the giveaway stats is b/c that guy called doughty a giveaway machine
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On July 23 2013 11:37 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 11:05 Mazer wrote:
BoBROVSKY.
How is he not even being mentioned? 1 good half year. Albeit a very good half year on a very bad team. He could easily force his way onto all of our lists with 2-3 more years close to the caliber of last season
You can't argue against Bobrovsky with that but include Anderson on your list... IMO.
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On July 23 2013 12:05 EiBmoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 11:41 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 23 2013 09:10 sharkeyanti wrote:On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game While I agree that Doughty's stats prove him to be an elite player, comparing his turnovers to a forward doesn't really work. And it's doubly unfair because it's per game, instead of per 60 min. There's also a fair amount of rink bias for how turnovers/takeways are awarded. yeah agreed with this entirely. turnover/takeaway can be interesting to compare, but only forward-forward and d-d, and even then, there's a lot of home team bias like there is for hits. i guess you missed the part where i said the only reason i was even talking about the giveaway stats is b/c that guy called doughty a giveaway machine
That's a somewhat fair way to put it. But compare Doughty to other defensemen. Matt Carle is statistically a near-elite defenseman, but was known as a turnover-prone is his tenure in PHI. Compare Doughty to guys like him to prove your point, instead of comparing him to a forward.
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@Mazer: While I generally agree, Anderson does have over a season and a half of stellar play. Bobrovsky essentially has half a season, and his time in PHI was nothing but average. For next season I'd take Anderson, but for the future certainly Bob.
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suprised no jamie benn invited to the camp and no lupul, even tho im a habs fan lupal was pretty sick last year
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On July 23 2013 12:05 EiBmoZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 11:41 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 23 2013 09:10 sharkeyanti wrote:On July 23 2013 06:46 EiBmoZ wrote:
funny, drew doughty has the 5th best defensive stats among blueliners that played 40+ games in 2013 according to behindthenet.ca
an he only avg'd 0.75 giveaways / game far from a giveaway machine
datsyuk avg'd more giveaways then doughty this year 0.81 / game While I agree that Doughty's stats prove him to be an elite player, comparing his turnovers to a forward doesn't really work. And it's doubly unfair because it's per game, instead of per 60 min. There's also a fair amount of rink bias for how turnovers/takeways are awarded. yeah agreed with this entirely. turnover/takeaway can be interesting to compare, but only forward-forward and d-d, and even then, there's a lot of home team bias like there is for hits. i guess you missed the part where i said the only reason i was even talking about the giveaway stats is b/c that guy called doughty a giveaway machine
i saw that i am just saying it is a bad way to prove that he is elite, which we both agree about. comparing him to other defensemen in that regard would be more appropriate
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What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz.
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On July 23 2013 13:46 P7GAB wrote:
suprised no jamie benn invited to the camp and no lupul, even tho im a habs fan lupal was pretty sick last year
Is Lupul as slow as he usually looks? Maybe this means that Canada will finally 'get it' and forego good NHL players who don't have a hope in hell of being competitive on Olympic ice. The real sign will be if they have the presence to cut guys like Thornton (who has never been effective on bigger ice) in favor of quicker, more dynamic players.
edit: Also thank god the Chris Draper era is over, as in Canada inviting marginal, grinder-type players who can be effective in the NHL but have nothing to offer the international game. "We need character on this team." No, you need to score more goals than the other team and allow less.
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On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz.
If you want him to appear, all you need to do is mention any of the following topics:
Larger ice surfaces
Anything pertaining to Phoenix/Glendale
Concussions and/or Crosby
Players from the 70's/80's
Toronto
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On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz.
I'm hoping the OP has him scared off. If he comes here he will have to explain himself. Frankly I don't mind, but I feel he will be back in some form or another soon enough... If he isn't already...
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On July 23 2013 23:37 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 13:46 P7GAB wrote:
suprised no jamie benn invited to the camp and no lupul, even tho im a habs fan lupal was pretty sick last year Is Lupul as slow as he usually looks? Maybe this means that Canada will finally 'get it' and forego good NHL players who don't have a hope in hell of being competitive on Olympic ice. The real sign will be if they have the presence to cut guys like Thornton (who has never been effective on bigger ice) in favor of quicker, more dynamic players. edit: Also thank god the Chris Draper era is over, as in Canada inviting marginal, grinder-type players who can be effective in the NHL but have nothing to offer the international game. "We need character on this team." No, you need to score more goals than the other team and allow less.
Lupul's speed has improved immensely though. The dude's just very, very injury prone. >_<
On July 24 2013 10:01 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz. I'm hoping the OP has him scared off. If he comes here he will have to explain himself. Frankly I don't mind, but I feel he will be back in some form or another soon enough... If he isn't already...
He will always be around lmao.
On July 24 2013 08:51 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz. If you want him to appear, all you need to do is mention any of the following topics: Larger ice surfaces Anything pertaining to Phoenix/Glendale Concussions and/or Crosby Players from the 70's/80's Toronto
You left out a few like conspiracy theories and goaltender save percentages. hue hue hue
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On July 24 2013 10:01 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz. I'm hoping the OP has him scared off. If he comes here he will have to explain himself. Frankly I don't mind, but I feel he will be back in some form or another soon enough... If he isn't already...
he probably made three more accounts, and is building up post counts by posting sc2 conspricacies, reminiscing about the 80s in the mlb thread or some other crazy nonsense.
Man, this is really the shitty part of summer, where I get so itchy for hockey and football that I start wishing it was over 
I havent checked out the invite list or anything, but I would have to imagine there are no shortage of wingers clearly better than Lupul. He aint a bad player by any means, but let's be real, a lot of that production is because of who he plays with
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On July 24 2013 10:43 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 10:01 nikj wrote:On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz. I'm hoping the OP has him scared off. If he comes here he will have to explain himself. Frankly I don't mind, but I feel he will be back in some form or another soon enough... If he isn't already... he probably made three more accounts, and is building up post counts by posting sc2 conspricacies, reminiscing about the 80s in the mlb thread or some other crazy nonsense. Man, this is really the shitty part of summer, where I get so itchy for hockey and football that I start wishing it was over I havent checked out the invite list or anything, but I would have to imagine there are no shortage of wingers clearly better than Lupul. He aint a bad player by any means, but let's be real, a lot of that production is because of who he plays with
Start watching the CFL!!!
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On July 24 2013 10:43 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 10:01 nikj wrote:On July 23 2013 23:34 Flaccid wrote:
What happened to JimmyJRaynor? Where'd he go?
I need someone to hurry up and tell me that Subban is shit and that MAF is bestgoalieever because cupz. I'm hoping the OP has him scared off. If he comes here he will have to explain himself. Frankly I don't mind, but I feel he will be back in some form or another soon enough... If he isn't already... he probably made three more accounts, and is building up post counts by posting sc2 conspricacies, reminiscing about the 80s in the mlb thread or some other crazy nonsense. Man, this is really the shitty part of summer, where I get so itchy for hockey and football that I start wishing it was over I havent checked out the invite list or anything, but I would have to imagine there are no shortage of wingers clearly better than Lupul. He aint a bad player by any means, but let's be real, a lot of that production is because of who he plays with
I haven't heard anyone say that about a Toronto player in a really really long time. Wow.
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