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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 12 2013 10:44 GMT
#161
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Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
July 12 2013 10:48 GMT
#162
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.
monchi | IdrA | Flash
ChAoS-AnGeLs
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada13 Posts
July 12 2013 10:49 GMT
#163
Manner muling pisses you off? What about all those protosses in masers league with full energy on their nexuses?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 12 2013 10:53 GMT
#164
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Crackpot
Profile Joined May 2013
58 Posts
July 12 2013 11:08 GMT
#165
Real Men have no Mules left to manner with....
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 12 2013 11:10 GMT
#166
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Ficetool
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 11:12:27
July 12 2013 11:11 GMT
#167
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.


Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O

If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
July 12 2013 11:16 GMT
#168
two same threads? Just close both
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 12 2013 11:16 GMT
#169
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Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1351 Posts
July 12 2013 11:19 GMT
#170
On July 12 2013 20:11 Ficetool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.


Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O

If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?


Just think about the reaction the crowed and casters make when someone manner mules and when someone GGs offensive...

This can´t be considered the same.
monchi | IdrA | Flash
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
July 12 2013 11:21 GMT
#171
Bomber says: Mannermuling good strat.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 12 2013 11:29 GMT
#172
On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.

And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg?


I didn't?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
DJFaqU
Profile Joined May 2011
466 Posts
July 12 2013 11:34 GMT
#173
Where's the option for "I don't give a shit, stop making such a big deal out of everything"?
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 12 2013 11:36 GMT
#174
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eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
July 12 2013 11:37 GMT
#175
I really dont care about it. I play Protoss and I see enough MM around it just happens. I gg every game no matter what and continue. Sometimes I storm my own units or rarely dance Zealots or Stalkers.
You should not be irritated by such things, keep calm, call gg and continue. Staying calm to every situation = Success on ladder
priestnoob
Profile Joined August 2011
243 Posts
July 12 2013 11:38 GMT
#176
On July 12 2013 20:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:29 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.

And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg?


I didn't?

I was replying to this:

"You can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid."

If you're not taking up that same point, then you shouldn't have jumped into the middle of this conversation... or at least made your own position clear before being snarky.


Might be best to quote the post you're actually responding to next time.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2013 11:40 GMT
#177
On July 12 2013 19:35 Ficetool wrote:
I write offensive ggs =) It's basically the same thing: telling my opponent I dominated him and he is too bad to have another chance of winning the game. I like it. Makes me feel superior to those noobs I bash into the ground =)

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:
On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
It's like offensively typing gg, though if somebody famous was to do that, he would have shit written about it all over the forums. I find it to be pretty much the same thing.



This is where you're wrong. Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these".

Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem.


That's the dumbest stuff I have read in a while. It does not matter how you tell your opponent to get the f*uck out of your game. It is still the exact same message, lol.


If it's dumb you'll have to point out why it's dumb, because what I said was totally correct.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 12 2013 11:42 GMT
#178
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
July 12 2013 11:43 GMT
#179
On July 12 2013 20:36 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:29 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.

And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg?


I didn't?

I was replying to this:

"You can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid."

If you're not taking up that same point, then you shouldn't have jumped into the middle of this conversation... or at least made your own position clear before being snarky.


I know what you were replying to and you said "you shouldn't be allowed to manner mule either". I believe the reason you cannot offensive gg in tournaments is simple, gg is sign of defeat and you probably would be accounted a loss for gg'ing ;-). Manner mules are no sign of defeat but celebration / ceremony / friendly banter.

On July 12 2013 20:11 Ficetool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:
On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o

I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.


Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.

You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.


And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.


Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O

If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?


As much as the tone can change the music and pronounciation can change the meaning of the exact same sentence, 'get out' can either be friendly banter or a douche move. I believe an offensive gg on ladder rarely is friendly banter but simple "get the fuck out" with bad intention while a manner mule might not be, and especially not in tournaments.

As I already said, I didn't tell anyone how to play the game (especially on ladder, as I'm free to ignore the person) but tournaments have rules. GG comes from the loser as sign of defeat, would be hilarious to see an offensive gg accounted for as a loss.

If you would forbid manner mules, you also need to forbid dancing, wiggling units, manner nexus, manner hatch, proxy command center..... etc, its dumb.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Melwach
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany176 Posts
July 12 2013 11:44 GMT
#180
On July 12 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:

Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these".

Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem.


Exactly my thoughts. There's just a different between direct verbal communication to show off your superiority and indirect communication via using the means of the game itself.
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