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Okay so, I just played a good game with a terran, and he beat me fair and square. I was just about to gg when he drops 3 mules infront of his bio army. I quickly pressed F10+N and kicked my desk in frustration.(Im not usually an angry player!)
Something about it just annoys the hell out of me. It is like the terran saying "LOOK HOW EZ I WIN, I DONT NEED THEZE MULEZ!!1!"
It's like offensively typing gg, though if somebody famous was to do that, he would have shit written about it all over the forums. I find it to be pretty much the same thing.
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy
What do you think? Is it right to get a bit irritated over something so unimportant? I would love to hear your opinions :D
Poll: Do you Manner Mule?Yes (203) 51% No (197) 49% 400 total votes Your vote: Do you Manner Mule? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Poll: What is your opinion on Manner Mules?I completely disagree, Manner Muling is great! (305) 55% I sort of agree with you. It's not really a huge deal though. (125) 23% I agree with you. I dislike it and it's completely unneccesary (123) 22% 553 total votes Your vote: What is your opinion on Manner Mules? (Vote): I agree with you. I dislike it and it's completely unneccesary
(Vote): I sort of agree with you. It's not really a huge deal though.
(Vote): I completely disagree, Manner Muling is great!
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ffs suck it up. god forbid anyone have a little fun while they're playing a game.
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If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it.
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Terrans who manner mule have a better record against Flash than those who don't. Fact.
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I don't do it, but mainly because I'm scared of doing it and then somehow losing. I think the players who have the balls to do it are awesome.
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On July 12 2013 09:53 Popkiller wrote:
I don't do it, but mainly because I'm scared of doing it and then somehow losing. I think the players who have the balls to do it are awesome.
Beating people who do manner mule early on is the best thing in all of starcraft I feel ^_^
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On July 12 2013 09:52 Badfatpanda wrote:
Terrans who manner mule have a better record against Flash than those who don't. Fact.
Yeah. If only HammEr had dropped the mule hammer :/
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manner muling is fun for me. it's also fun to manner mule when i lose as well.
honestly i don't think it's useful to overanalyze it ~_~
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I've always preferred scan sun as a method of stamping my victory, heh. Manner mules seem to elicit more hostile responses from the victims. 
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I prefer building supply depots in their face then calling extra supplies on it
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I don't do it but it always gives me a grin when the pros do. A manner Nexus/CC/Hatch is a far more tasty treat though, especially when the silhouette appears before it goes down.
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C'mon, don't take it so personally. Manner mules are fun! I usually do them when I lose too, but I mostly play protoss so I'm all about them manner nexii!
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On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy
Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once?
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On July 12 2013 09:58 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once?
Yes, it was.
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"Something about it just annoys the hell out of me. It is like the terran saying "LOOK HOW EZ I WIN, I DONT NEED THEZE MULEZ!!1!" "
That's the entire point of manner muling right? Showing the opponent that you think you have an advantage big enough that it doesnt matter what happens (hence the dropping mules at ridiculous places).
I personally dont mind manner muling. It gives me an incentive to do my best to still win. If it works, that gives an incredibly satisfying feeling.
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It's fun and I bet if you could you would manner mule as well. It's part of the game (why do you think you can make your units dance?)
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TLADT24920 Posts
On July 12 2013 09:58 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once?
lol ouch.
OP, as mentioned, it's just for fun 
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On July 12 2013 09:58 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once?
Wow. He DEFINATELY said in homestory cup about not doing it. Didn't know that ^_^ maybe him and his opponent had a bad history or something
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shouldn't the poll have the option to sort of disagree as well?
anyways I dont find it to be that big of a deal, really shouldnt be taken personally, it can be seen as bm but its a small thing.
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Is it mandatory for every thread to have a poll now?
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Bomber learned the hard way.
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I don't manner mule but who says I cant send a MULE forward to my army for repairs? :o
That though is a different situation entirely.
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I am pretty thin-skinned when it comes to BM. I will lose enjoyment while playing the game almost immediately. That said, I don't consider manner muling BM. I think it's all in good fun. It's really the vocal things in chat that I consider BM.
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Sort of agree. Sometimes it's funny and I don't really care, others I want to reach through my screen a punch the guy playing >_>
also, it's imba. good Zerg/Protoss bm isn't as easy to do lol.
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I manner hatch/overlord position into gg/pop tons of nydus/dance if the opponent is on like 2 bases vs 6 and won't leave the game, but I guess I could see why people would get upset if it's done to you when you don't have a Fantasy GG timing or anything. Don't usually care too much one way or another though
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I always try to convince myself that manner miles are being called down to repair. Gets me less stressed about it
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I love to manner mule, I don't really consider it bm though. For me it is really just a sign that you've been in the game too long, which can be bm to some.
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On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it.
Manner Nexus
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I don't like manner MULEs. Manner scans are much more fun.
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Manner muling is a nonverbal form of gloating, that is often used to antagonize the opponent into giving an impulsive response.
I wish they'd hand out infractions to professional players who do it, it shows a lack of both tact and respect to your opponent.
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On July 12 2013 10:08 TheSwamp wrote:
Is it mandatory for every thread to have a poll now?
Only one way to find out!
+ Show Spoiler [hint] +
More on topic: I couldn't care less if people manner mule or not. Taking it as a personal slight is just stupid. However, I do think it's odd that manner muling is very common in pro games but people still get their panties all bunched up over offensive gg's. It's the exact same thing, but for some reasons it's fun when terrans can do it, but unsportsmanlike when everyone can :/
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I hate getting manner mule'd and I think I always rage quit when it is done to me.
I always manner nexus if I'm in a position to though, although its a lot harder to do.
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I manner mule only, when the opponent isn't leaving a long lost game.
But you are taking things way too serious. Should relax a bit more. There are way worse things to make your opponent feel very stupid in sc2.
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On July 12 2013 10:18 Odecey wrote:
Manner muling is a nonverbal form of gloating, that is often used to antagonize the opponent into giving an impulsive response.
I wish they'd hand out infractions to professional players who do it, it shows a lack of both tact and respect to your opponent.
It shows personality, Don't know why everyone wants everyone to be super respectful and talk about how great their opponent was. Trash talk and bm creates story lines which is great, makes games between the two players really interesting.
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It can be done in jest, but unless you either know the person you're playing, or can see their reaction (at a lan say), then it usually comes off as a display of arrogance. One reason I don't like Taeja, he loves manner mules.
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I suppose to vote the option that I completely disagree w/ u but as a Z i dont think MM is great either so my answer is I don't mind actually, as my skill r low diamond and somehow to manage to get my ZvT above 65%, so I don't mind every once in a while let the guy drop a Mule, MM is not as bad as manner talk, like yesterday, 1 guy go Gateway expand w/ me , I manage to finish him off with ling run-in before he able to wall off, thats quite bad consider he was a diamond, but in the end he said lol, u r a noob then quit. That's quite annoyed me.
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I don't get mad at it. The only memorable one I have is from the only time I played a Korean pro and he literally had 10+ orbitals and they all called down mules. I actually laughed and GG'd immediately when it happened. To me he was saying "okay noobie ur done. get out of the game."
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On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
Something about it just annoys the hell out of me. It is like the terran saying "LOOK HOW EZ I WIN, I DONT NEED THEZE MULEZ!!1!"
You are projecting that onto your opponent. I look at it as my opponent saying "hey, I have so much money that I waste mules". If I am starving for money and just barely holding on he is letting me know how far behind I am. I don't waste time trying to defend and come back when I know he has a bank.
EDIT: I guess it all comes down to how you perceive your opponent and what they are "meaning" to do.
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I like to judge people's character based on their conduct while playing a video game. No but honestly its all about context for me. A random person on the ladder vs a friend or practice buddy will obviously yield more vitriol. I've been really trying hard to not let the emotional aspect of the game take everything over. By that I mean getting so pissed off that it starts to detract from the fun of the game. You know, like what it looks like happened for Idra IMO
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I've done it in both wins and losses. To me it's kind of amusing to land a bunch of them and send them on a suicide march at my opponent's army when I know I've lost, or to steal some of their money by scanning a mineral line and dropping them all on it. I tend to prefer the scan flower over manner MULEs when I win though.
In-game stuff like that doesn't bother me at all. Manner nexus, mass changelings, creating words with pylons/depots/tumors, it's all good. I only get annoyed when people talk trash in chat.
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I only do it occasionally. It's fun to do it against people with Fantasy GG timings, or those who have Bm'd you before the game. Sometimes I do it after an extremely sweet and close game, where I barely edge out, but in these situations it's more of a release of pressure than BM kind of thing.
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Oops, accidentally voted that I agree with you. I don't.
While I should have taken the time to read it more, I think you could have made things easier by arranging the response towards the topic rather than towards you. Pretty egoistic too.
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If only I could chrono boost enemy structures...
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I agree, I dislike manner mules as much as I dislike offensive GGs. However, I do not have Fantasy gg timing, and I can understand manner muling against people who refuse to resign when they cannot win. The problem is that 90% of manner muling by pros is not done against late ggs, and therefore I see it as rude.
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I actually kinda used manner muling as an offensive GG, and only when they are being BM and not leaving a lost game.
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On July 12 2013 10:44 plogamer wrote:
Oops, accidentally voted that I agree with you. I don't.
While I should have taken the time to read it more, I think you could have made things easier by arranging the response towards the topic rather than towards you. Pretty egoistic too.
I really don't understand what you mean. I stated my opinion about a topic using my past experiences. How on earth am i ecocentric?
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I agree, it's absolutely the same as "offensive gg", but for some reason it is considered "cool". Double standards ftw!
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On July 12 2013 10:26 A Wild Sosd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 10:18 Odecey wrote:
Manner muling is a nonverbal form of gloating, that is often used to antagonize the opponent into giving an impulsive response.
I wish they'd hand out infractions to professional players who do it, it shows a lack of both tact and respect to your opponent.
It shows personality, Don't know why everyone wants everyone to be super respectful and talk about how great their opponent was. Trash talk and bm creates story lines which is great, makes games between the two players really interesting.
It has to do with nurturing a positive, mature, and professional environment. I really don't see how acting like a douchebag can be viewed as "interesting" or entertaining, but then again The weakest link is a thing, so what do I know?
In any event, the amusement of the viewers should never come before the considerations to the individual players.
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It's like making manner nexuses or something, it's just harmless fun imo
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I want to see a manor inject.
Build Hatch in enemy natural, inject. Wonder if TLO could pull it off if I asked nicely.
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random ladder game with just you and your opponent watching, it is bm as hell cause you only want to upset your opponent.
in a live tournament though I consider it more a tool to engage the crowd. it has it's place.
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On July 12 2013 11:05 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I want to see a manor inject.
Build Hatch in enemy natural, inject. Wonder if TLO could pull it off if I asked nicely.
Manner Creep Tumors (with the help of Overlord creep)!
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I don´t see Manner Mules as offensive , your enemy is literally burning ressources.
I switched from Terran to Zerg, and there is one thing that I really miss ...manner mules.
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On July 12 2013 10:08 TheSwamp wrote:
Is it mandatory for every thread to have a poll now?
It would have been better if you had a poll. One persons opinion isnt enough for us to know if thats a good point or not.
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Sounds like you are pretty disappointed in your own play
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....might as well just add manner nexus and manner hatcheries into this as well...and any type of them is completely fine.
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Manner muling is fine. It's not an issue at all.
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If you're getting pissed because of BM, you're just falling into their hands.
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Its a way to let off steam after the adrenaline of a big win. He's not cursing, he's not telling you to leave, he's just excited. I think the manner nexus or manner hatch is much worse, but even then if this is what counts as BM I think we can find ourselves lucky.
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Well, I hate all BM! Ppl just do it with no reason 
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I only do it if they attack my scv building my barracks / cc with their scouting worker.
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mvp does it so its awesome
♥ manner mules personally
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OP, if your opponent BMs you with manner mules, then you should just hide all your buildings and make him track you down. That'll show him 
On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it.
Same lol
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It's just a game. God forbid someone has fun while playing a game.
I personally only Manner Mule against Fantasy GG Timings.
On July 12 2013 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, if your opponent BMs you with manner mules, then you should just hide all your buildings and make him track you down. That'll show him Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Same lol
I played Protoss just so I could unlock the disco ball and dance under it.
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On July 12 2013 10:16 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Manner Nexus
I manner Nexus probably more then most protoss.. I've almost lost once when manner nexusing too early(Thought he was dead didn't scout a hidden expansion) I still won but since then haven't done it nearly as often.
Manner mules/nexus/Hatches etc. imo are just of way of saying "Get out of this game and stop wasting my time." I find it more BM when people on ladder stay in till the last unit against like a max army. Though when pro's stay in with some Fantasy GG timing I like it which is a bit hypocritical but meh ladder is ladder no money on the line just leave when you've lost!
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i do manner mules when my opponent all in me and fail then he decided to continue and when my opponent bm's me.
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On July 12 2013 09:55 DigitalisDestructi wrote:I've always preferred scan sun as a method of stamping my victory, heh. Manner mules seem to elicit more hostile responses from the victims.
I agree, scan suns are prettier. It takes so much more energy though, you need many many macro cc's, (or very little macro ). I like the walking footstep scans, my little homage to the Beijing olympics fireworks opener. Opponents usually find it amusing.
I mule only vs rude folk and my friends. On ladder I'm usually so tense I wouldn't even if I wanted to. I'll mule opponents bases late game split map if I have a bank, but that's a strategy choice to deny minerals. To be honest what I find more annoying than manner mules is the unnecessary stutter stepping when someones already won, if they don't do it in the actual battle why do it after to engage a random building....
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Manner mules on my opponents minerals are the best. I don't see the problem. If they still think they have a chance of winning they will be grateful. And if they are just staying in to take the piss out of me, it does its job of shooing them towards the surrender.
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On July 12 2013 12:11 GinDo wrote:It's just a game. God forbid someone has fun while playing a game. I personally only Manner Mule against Fantasy GG Timings. Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, if your opponent BMs you with manner mules, then you should just hide all your buildings and make him track you down. That'll show him On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Same lol I played Protoss just so I could unlock the disco ball and dance under it.
What?
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I manner mule because I'm insecure with myself.
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If they manner mule you it means you're not leaving, so do it.
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On July 12 2013 10:04 Scones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:58 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once? Wow. He DEFINATELY said in homestory cup about not doing it. Didn't know that ^_^ maybe him and his opponent had a bad history or something
Nah, it was like, an hour long game on Shakuras Plateau and both players were totally mined out and Thorzain had like, 20 orbitals.
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On July 12 2013 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 12:11 GinDo wrote:It's just a game. God forbid someone has fun while playing a game. I personally only Manner Mule against Fantasy GG Timings. On July 12 2013 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, if your opponent BMs you with manner mules, then you should just hide all your buildings and make him track you down. That'll show him On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Same lol I played Protoss just so I could unlock the disco ball and dance under it. What?
The oracle dance is a disco ball.
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Manner muling + mule dancing is better, mule dance is awesome!
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On July 12 2013 12:39 RagequitBM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 12 2013 12:11 GinDo wrote:It's just a game. God forbid someone has fun while playing a game. I personally only Manner Mule against Fantasy GG Timings. On July 12 2013 12:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:OP, if your opponent BMs you with manner mules, then you should just hide all your buildings and make him track you down. That'll show him On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Same lol I played Protoss just so I could unlock the disco ball and dance under it. What? The oracle dance is a disco ball.
Sweet! I've never danced them lol
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Voted sort of agree: I never manner mule and I don't like it when my opponent does it, but I rather like seeing it in professional matches.
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I do manner mule2.0, play Protoss, never research warp ins and slowly march a line of troops into the opponents base.
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On July 12 2013 12:52 Polygamy wrote:
I do manner mule2.0, play Protoss, never research warp ins and slowly march a line of troops into the opponents base.
That's almost as bad as making a zealot dance party with oracle disco in your opponents base mid death. LOL.
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On July 12 2013 10:08 TheSwamp wrote:
Is it mandatory for every thread to have a poll now?
Yes, but polls in a thread that have a poll is the new meta.
Poll: Should we have a Poll in every threadYes (24) 89% no (3) 11% 27 total votes Your vote: Should we have a Poll in every thread (Vote): Yes
(Vote): no
Also serious note. I don't think its a big deal at all. I like a little BM when players do it at the lan, makes it entertaining. I also do it in games from time to time. Like if the person was BM or it was just an epic game.
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On July 12 2013 09:55 Scones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:53 Popkiller wrote:
I don't do it, but mainly because I'm scared of doing it and then somehow losing. I think the players who have the balls to do it are awesome. Beating people who do manner mule early on is the best thing in all of starcraft I feel ^_^
Yes indeed.
I always make sure to bring a Probe along versus Terran, not just to build proxy pylons, but manner Nexuses. I only do this when I am playing against Terran.
On July 12 2013 10:08 TheSwamp wrote:
Is it mandatory for every thread to have a poll now?
Let's find out.
Poll: Should it be mandatory for every thread to have a poll?It should be mandatory for every thread poll to have a poll asking if it is an ok subject for a poll (12) 57% Yes (8) 38% No (1) 5% 21 total votes Your vote: Should it be mandatory for every thread to have a poll? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): It should be mandatory for every thread poll to have a poll asking if it is an ok subject for a poll
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I absolutely love mannermuling a protoss who fails an allin but tries to macro after. They get so pissed off.
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Normally, I don't. But if somebody decides to stay in the game an obnoxiously long amount of time, I'll drop the mule hammer.
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At first I thought of it like offensively GGing. ie basically declaring you are a douchebag, nothing more. But seeing it become a trend in GSL changed my mind entirely.
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favourite thing about playing terran
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not as fun as mass scanning, it makes a big flashing light in opponent's face lol
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I love it. I wouldn't say I do it all the time, but sometimes I can get quite excited when I feel like I'm about to win then i'll do it. If I really want to BM, like if someone is whining like crazy or staying in the game way too long just being annoying, I prefer the mass scan "sun/flower" technique, it's really cool and I imagine it'd piss the opponent off. Also mass ghost academies in their base researching nuke is one I often use.
On the protoss side, manner nexus is rather boring, seen HerO do some really cool stuff in the past but can't quite remember what they were exactly something about probes and a mothership recall maybe.
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On July 12 2013 14:22 AxionSteel wrote:
I love it. I wouldn't say I do it all the time, but sometimes I can get quite excited when I feel like I'm about to win then i'll do it. If I really want to BM, like if someone is whining like crazy or staying in the game way too long just being annoying, I prefer the mass scan "sun/flower" technique, it's really cool and I imagine it'd piss the opponent off. Also mass ghost academies in their base researching nuke is one I often use.
On the protoss side, manner nexus is rather boring, seen HerO do some really cool stuff in the past but can't quite remember what they were exactly something about probes and a mothership recall maybe.
mothership recalling probes..that was against TSL Shine.
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in my opinion its equal to offensive GG. sure it was kinda cute the first time (no it wasnt it was still stupid back then) it happend but its been 3 years guys, its no longer cute, its stupid as hell.
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Zerg can't really manner-MULE but, now that my Ovie's can dance i am manner-dancing all day long.
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You have to chill out son...it's just a game i got manner muled a lot,but i'm completely ok with that...manner mule,manner hatch,manner nexus cool stuff!
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I hate it because I don't have anything that is quite as offensive in game. Offensive GG is just stupid and annoying but Manner mules are like a haha you suck... Need to start Manner Nexus everywhere.
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Bisutopia19246 Posts
I've never been mannered in any shape or fashion. But my opponents fear me beyond the game realm.
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I love getting manner muled and when I play Terran I manner mule a lot. Sometimes when a Terran beats me I get a bit upset if they don't manner mule. So plz people more manner mules god damn you!
Something I'd love to see is people throwing down manner hatcheries, manner nexus though is something I don't want to see, if you play Protoss there is no reason to go further and do stuff like that. That is just my opinion.
gg and glhf
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I think it's just plain disrespectful. It doesn't seem like a big deal for the ones that do it but it is really frustrating to the victims. In my clan there's a lot of people that take pride on their wins and there's a lot of others that feel disappointed and sad when they lose. All I'm saying is don't do something that you wouldn't want others to do to you.
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Sorry, but second poll is not good - why there is no option "I don't care at all if opponent manner mule". That would be my case sincee I derive my angryness from other elements of the game.
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If it's a hard fought game I don't mind, but if he wont because of cheesy crap - manner mules and offensive ggs gives me the shits haha
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I'm all for manner muling, people really need to chill out about ladder, if the terran has gotten to the stage that he can throw away mules and still feel confident about winning then I'm pretty sure you're the one being BM wasting his and your own time dragging out a game that's lost. I main protoss and whenever my opponent decides to stay in the game purely to waste my time i'll manner nexus him all day, erry' day.
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I drop a mule after any significant fight goes my way regardless of the overall game situation. Sometimes I get raged at if I win, I'll always get raged at if I lose after that though, haha.
You just won the game but your sooooo angry about me helping you win it, hilarious.
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It is different than offensive GG. There is nothing really fun about offensive GG. But manner muling, dancing your units, and my favorite; manner scans, are just kind of fun/celebratory I feel. There is never disrespect when I do it.
And I don't really like doing the manner mules, because they are used in my gameplay to repair my mech armies.
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On July 12 2013 10:04 Scones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:58 Yonnua wrote:On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
I remember watching Homestory Cup 7, where ThorZaIN said he never does it, and finds it disrespectful and BM. I gained alot of respect for that guy Wasn't it Thorzain that dropped a giant "GG" made of MULEs in to his opponent's base once? Wow. He DEFINATELY said in homestory cup about not doing it. Didn't know that ^_^ maybe him and his opponent had a bad history or something
Nah, he and the opponent in that game were joking around and it was just the culmination of it. His opponent knew he had lost and was just messing around for a long time.
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Getting manner mulled and then winning top 5 best feelings in the world, so im for it
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well, what if the terran was in the moment and did not know if you were sending more units? those mules in front of the army could have been a protective barrier, that is the only reason I would use a bunch of mules with my army
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Manner scans are awesome. But Dancing Mules are the best
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I agree with most of the posters here, it's a bit of fun, everyone likes to gloat every now and then. OP do you have the same issue with dancing units. I have been known to that in peoples base's after a tough match. Is that as bad? Worse? be interesting to hear your thoughts guys.
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Have you ever seen an oracle dance? Like a fucking disco ball? -_-; I don't mind manner mules or dancing.
Actually funny story, in the beginning of the game I put down my commandcenter to 1-0 and when I moved out, had superior army to Protoss given my ghosts I could have won the fight easy
1 marines, 2medivacs, 3 vikings,4 ghost, 5-0 ccs still I think (maybe 6 ebay, 7 active drops) well anyways. I took the engagement and my ghosts died while I wanted to emp, must have pressed 5 at that and went "eee" result was. Mannermules on his high templars in his army, losing the fight horribly T_T;
OFcourse he didn't believe it was by mistake, but still funny.
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manner muling just means you got your shit pushed in. When you see the mules just leave the game and start up another, its really simple.
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In a competitive match its part of the show, and maybe a way to stay confident. On ladder its a stupid thing to do.
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oh it's that thread again
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I do it when my opponent cheeses and then when I hold it refuses to leave the game. Sends a message that allins are called allins because you cannot recover from failure and that you shouldn't waste time trying.
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I played a 4v4 last night with some real life friends, I dropped the first 4 mules in the protoss base after their hellion sling and dt all in failed, oddly enough I used them to repair the bizarre mothership (rushed) my ally showed up with. The game went on for another 15 minutes but I had 4 ccs early on and kept manner muling all game long.
I only manner mule when the game is over and people should be leaving and aren't. That's when I bm. I proxy CCs, i float stuff, I have dance command hotkeyd. When a game is over it's over. Just leave. Being mannered is just something you get for poor gg timing.
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I like all kinds of victory celebrations (mules, dances, manner hatches / nexus etc). It just builds up the fun factor.
Also, it is so great when the manner attempt fails and it is the other guy who wins the game... I remember a cool PvP (who were the players...?) where one guy went up the ramp with his pure gateway army and started dancing it around... At the same time DTs were moving into his base (no detection). Guess what, DTs won
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People get offended so easy these days, its just a game, quit the match and go next. Im so offended by some random guy on the internet droping some pixels.
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I don't manner mule, but if someone BMs me first I might manner Planetary them.
/dancing is also fun. No real harm in that.
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I coulden't give a flying fuck about manner mulin' or not. The SC2 comunity is way to sensitive about manner IMO :-/
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Drop so many mules he's fighting in the shadows! SO MANY MULES IT DARKENS THE SUN :D
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I think compared to a Zerg who overruns you with all his units (+ overlords) and then dances all his ovis, manner mules are way less frustrating.
Still I totally don´t care and I even began to manner dance ovis in the last couple of weeks^^
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I love how people start bitching about manner mules in their games against me, when the only thing I am trying to do is to repair my mech army... ;;
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It's funny. Don't play video games if you dislike funny things.
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I mostly do this to people that annoy me in game, as do I build manner buildings and dance. It's my gentle way of telling people "Get out of my game". Annoy me: BM me, rush me, staying in the game although clearly they lost.
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This is a game, not a pompous gentleman's club. Things like manner muling just make it a lot more fun. Offensive GGs are a no-no, because it can cause some confusion in tournaments.
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On July 12 2013 10:16 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it. Manner Nexus
Double proxy nexus cannon lol
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Manner muling is pretty common at the pro level in Korea. if you get mad over manner mules, then I have bad news for you....
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Mules are for nubs, hatcheries is where its at.
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58% are completly against you so it seems you wrong
for me i would flame 1 hour if someone offensive gg but manner mule is fine
i mean i also put nexi in the terran main if hes not leaving ^^
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i play protoss, so i don't have mules, but i /dance my army pretty much everytime i win
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I drop the mules when the opponent should have left , but is sticking around needlessly, alpha-mules ;D
I but often people leave when you are dealt a crushing blow, and then the mules arent nessecary ;D
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When I know I won, I'll MULE as much as possible.
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Manner muling is what cool kids do! :D
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I completely agree with you. This kind of celebration is useless and humiliating, and I think it only shows how childish some players can be. The only acceptable situation when one can do this is when playing friendly matches.
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every now and then we have a new manner mule thread. this has been discussed various times.
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On July 12 2013 17:21 Drake wrote:58% are completly against you so it seems you wrong [..]
Nope, it means that 58% have a different opinion.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I manner cc/hatch/nexus a lot in my games, even when I lose :p
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You guys know that with HOTS you can dance mules, sadly I haven´t seen this in a pro game yet^^
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At least he didn't make 100 overlords and stop you from mining with changelings, right?
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I wish there was something like manner mules for Zerg, most of the time my manner hatcheries dont go up in time, because I dont take drones to my opponents base with my killing blow^^
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Manner muling is just great! Although I play Protoss in 1vs1, in teamgames I only play random and do a lot of bs. Manner mules/hatches/nexi are obligatory in my 2vs2 playstyle.
In 1vs1 I only manner nexus Zerg because they usually are the biggest flamers ever. Not kidding.
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I don't manner mule on ladder, I think it's rude and unnecessary. Sometimes I do it when I'm playing with my friends but in form of friendly bm. I don't see a difference between manner muling and saying "gtfo noob".
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If someone manner mules, simply type this:
"OMG you misclicked your mules! Lucky for you you'd already won."
Totally back-foots them.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Manner muling is the shit! Love doing it
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Mules are great. Free units, soak up some damage and heal your mech, guaranteeing you the win.
Totally legit ¬_¬
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I only manner mule, if my opponent opened with a cheese/all in. If i hold I know I'm ahead and if i can take advantage and know I'm going to win for sure then I manner mule. I don't really respect opponents that open with cheese or do an all in. I personallly think its just relative though. none the less it can get irritating if you were well mannered and he did manner mule then i'd agree. other then that I am indifferent on this matter cuz it goes both ways for me.
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I see manner mules by pro-players once every 3 games or so
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"Something about it just annoys the hell out of me. It is like the terran saying "LOOK HOW EZ I WIN, I DONT NEED THEZE MULEZ!!1!" "
Yeah I agree, if they wanna bm they should just say it out loud like a man.
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On July 12 2013 18:45 Gullis wrote:
"Something about it just annoys the hell out of me. It is like the terran saying "LOOK HOW EZ I WIN, I DONT NEED THEZE MULEZ!!1!" "
Yeah I agree, if they wanna bm they should just say it out loud like a man.
gg (noa get out~!!)
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there are also manner dancing units in your base and every race can do it
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i only dislike manner mules because the "sun of scans" is way cooler
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I don't see it as a big deal, people should be allowed to have some fun. Also, I don't really even see it as BM to me it seems like it is for people who just want to have some fun.
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So what I've noticed is that this stuff elicits different responses from nearly anyone. I personally couldn't care less when someone rains mules down or builds like 20 nexuses (nexi?) on the map. I know I'm far from the best player in the world, so playing against someone who outplays me that hard doesn't bother me that much.
The only "BM" I even remember was a guy who rushed for a large cloaked banshee fleet which I didn't scout, rushed in and typed GG after nearly every kill. So I BM'ed him right back and just started building EVERYWHERE so he could have fun flying around the map. I actually had a good laugh out of it because he was so vocal about everything.
Anyway, in the end it's a game, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Doing other fun stuff while you're winning is fine, and so is doing fun stuff while you're losing, like watching if your SCV train even reaches a group of colossi annihilating your base. Or muling in the middle of a biomine ball to see if the mine would hit the enemy (it did once). There aren't many people out there who are genuinely trying to ruin the experience of others, most are just having fun themselves.
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I think it's not nice, but it's ok. Since, depending on far you are behind, sometimes those mules can make a difference.
I have won quite some games where I have been muled. And that feeling.... oh that feeling... just amazing
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I manner mule everyone except terran players (and sometimes those too, depending on how obnoxious they play, but it's quite rare)
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I'm kind of an angry player (I often rage when losing to stupid things), but I really don't mind manner muling or dancing units... I don't know, it just doesn't offend me, plus in the case of manner muling I like the aesthetics (mules dropping from the sky are so cool).
I find way more offensive people that don't answer when you say hf, or just go ahead and tell you how fucking terrible you are when you lose or win, or say an offensive gg (I don't know, to me saying gg first is more like "lol you suck get out", when manner muling is more like "yay I might have won", but it's kind of a personnal interpretation xD).
I only manner mule when it really has been a good game and I also do it when I lose. I never have been able to get enough orbitals to write "wp it was fun" so that the guy doesn't get mad
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The game is about winning and losing, no one cares about how hard you win or lose.
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On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
It's like offensively typing gg, though if somebody famous was to do that, he would have shit written about it all over the forums. I find it to be pretty much the same thing.
This is where you're wrong. Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these".
Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem.
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I write offensive ggs =) It's basically the same thing: telling my opponent I dominated him and he is too bad to have another chance of winning the game. I like it. Makes me feel superior to those noobs I bash into the ground =)
On July 12 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
It's like offensively typing gg, though if somebody famous was to do that, he would have shit written about it all over the forums. I find it to be pretty much the same thing.
This is where you're wrong. Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these". Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem.
That's the dumbest stuff I have read in a while. It does not matter how you tell your opponent to get the f*uck out of your game. It is still the exact same message, lol.
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Its just people having fun, no different then player dancing after a touchdown, goal, homerun etc. Plus fans love it.
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Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o
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On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing.
Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid..
Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this.
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Manner muling pisses you off? What about all those protosses in masers league with full energy on their nexuses?
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Real Men have no Mules left to manner with....
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On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either.
And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.
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On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing.
Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O
If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?
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two same threads? Just close both
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On July 12 2013 20:11 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing. Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?
Just think about the reaction the crowed and casters make when someone manner mules and when someone GGs offensive...
This can´t be considered the same.
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Bomber says: Mannermuling good strat.
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On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing. And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg?
I didn't?
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Where's the option for "I don't give a shit, stop making such a big deal out of everything"?
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I really dont care about it. I play Protoss and I see enough MM around it just happens. I gg every game no matter what and continue. Sometimes I storm my own units or rarely dance Zealots or Stalkers.
You should not be irritated by such things, keep calm, call gg and continue. Staying calm to every situation = Success on ladder
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On July 12 2013 20:36 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:29 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing. And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg? I didn't? I was replying to this: "You can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid." If you're not taking up that same point, then you shouldn't have jumped into the middle of this conversation... or at least made your own position clear before being snarky.
Might be best to quote the post you're actually responding to next time.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 12 2013 19:35 Ficetool wrote:I write offensive ggs =) It's basically the same thing: telling my opponent I dominated him and he is too bad to have another chance of winning the game. I like it. Makes me feel superior to those noobs I bash into the ground =) Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2013 09:49 Scones wrote:
It's like offensively typing gg, though if somebody famous was to do that, he would have shit written about it all over the forums. I find it to be pretty much the same thing.
This is where you're wrong. Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these". Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem. That's the dumbest stuff I have read in a while. It does not matter how you tell your opponent to get the f*uck out of your game. It is still the exact same message, lol.
If it's dumb you'll have to point out why it's dumb, because what I said was totally correct.
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On July 12 2013 20:36 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:29 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 20:16 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing. And who are you to tell people that they can't offensive gg? I didn't? I was replying to this: "You can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid." If you're not taking up that same point, then you shouldn't have jumped into the middle of this conversation... or at least made your own position clear before being snarky.
I know what you were replying to and you said "you shouldn't be allowed to manner mule either". I believe the reason you cannot offensive gg in tournaments is simple, gg is sign of defeat and you probably would be accounted a loss for gg'ing ;-). Manner mules are no sign of defeat but celebration / ceremony / friendly banter.
On July 12 2013 20:11 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 20:10 NarutO wrote:On July 12 2013 19:53 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:48 Big-t wrote:On July 12 2013 19:44 Sated wrote:On July 12 2013 19:41 Big-t wrote:
Please don´t start discussing if offensive gging and manner mules are the same, it´s obviously not. O.o I disagree, I think they're exactly the same thing, and I always have. Because I think this, and since it seems like other people do as well, it's obviously not obviously not the same thing. Maybe in ladder, but you can´t do an offensive gg in a tournament. That would be stupid.. Perhaps a few very well known players can go through with this. You're right, you generally can't offensive gg in tournaments... and so you shouldn't be allowed to manner MULE either. And who are you to tell people how to play the game? Often times manner mules are friendly banter between players. Its nowhere near offensive gg'ing. Ah, so THAT is why every caster out there interprets it as "get ouf of my game" which is.....HA....the exact same as an offensive gg :-O If you dont wanna tell anyone how to play the game, don't frown upon peole using BM or other stuff. Or at least, if you have no problem with BM, defend them as well. Because in the end: who are you to tell someone how to play the game?
As much as the tone can change the music and pronounciation can change the meaning of the exact same sentence, 'get out' can either be friendly banter or a douche move. I believe an offensive gg on ladder rarely is friendly banter but simple "get the fuck out" with bad intention while a manner mule might not be, and especially not in tournaments.
As I already said, I didn't tell anyone how to play the game (especially on ladder, as I'm free to ignore the person) but tournaments have rules. GG comes from the loser as sign of defeat, would be hilarious to see an offensive gg accounted for as a loss.
If you would forbid manner mules, you also need to forbid dancing, wiggling units, manner nexus, manner hatch, proxy command center..... etc, its dumb.
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On July 12 2013 19:31 marvellosity wrote:
Offensive gg'ing and manner muling are pretty different, for one reason - offensive gg'ing is using "out-of-game" stuff (verbal) to get a rise/take the piss. Manner mules are just using the mechanics of the game to say "look, don't even NEED these".
Same with manner nexuses, manner mass-scans, */dances* or whatever. If you're using the mechanics of the game to demonstrate your superior position, then there shouldn't be a problem.
Exactly my thoughts. There's just a different between direct verbal communication to show off your superiority and indirect communication via using the means of the game itself.
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Manner Nexus in GSTL -"BAN THAT NOOB!"
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On July 12 2013 09:52 ObiWanPwnobi wrote:
If Protoss could manner mule, I'd be all over it.
When I read this I thought how much cooler manner nexus was than manner mule. Then Avenge drops a manner nexus while spanking Supernova.
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On July 12 2013 20:45 NarutO wrote:
Manner Nexus in GSTL -"BAN THAT NOOB!"
Why? He used it to block the SCV-train
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On July 12 2013 20:46 Big-t wrote:Why? He used it to block the SCV-train
You went full Romanian :D
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Also it depends on you, how you feel about these things. You can call offensive gg's, talk crap, use MMules, Nexuses and all other things - I just dont give a damn shit about it. Maybe it is just me, nobody can make me angry in sc2 :D
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Manner Mule is fun, cause the Terran just feels happy that he won
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On July 12 2013 09:52 cosine wrote:
ffs suck it up. god forbid anyone have a little fun while they're playing a game.
cause being a dick to people is "fun"... good community this.
I don't really have a big problem with it I guess. But it is unnecessary. I don't be a dick to people when I beat them, so I'd like the same respect back, please.
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On July 12 2013 20:52 [Erasmus] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 09:52 cosine wrote:
ffs suck it up. god forbid anyone have a little fun while they're playing a game. cause being a dick to people is "fun"... good community this. I don't really have a big problem with it I guess. But it is unnecessary. I don't be a dick to people when I beat them, so I'd like the same respect back, please.
I sometimes manner mule after good games. He ggs, I gg. I don't see how that lacks any respect. I don't get mad when he dances or does a proxy nexus...
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Netherlands19135 Posts
Closing the primary topic that spawns all these pieces of garbage now as well.
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