EPTI also assumed that there were female guards for female prisoners. Not that that would make a rape situation impossible, but a lot more unlikely.
Rape in women's prison - Page 5
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Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
I also assumed that there were female guards for female prisoners. Not that that would make a rape situation impossible, but a lot more unlikely. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:15 Simberto wrote: Maybe i am naive, but i always assumed that in prisons there are systems in place that prevent that sort of stuff from happening. Like people from a different organisation regularly checking up on prisoners, cameras, things like that. Especially cameras, i just assumed that prisons are basically full of them. I also assumed that there were female guards for female prisoners. Not that that would make a rape situation impossible, but a lot more unlikely. What makes you think that would make it a lot more unlikely? | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:10 Rainbow Cuddles wrote: Can we not have this kind of stuff on TL? Even the title is triggering Triggering what? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
What I mean is this - I live in the Bronx, every night there is a news story about some robbery or stabbing or what have you. While those things are shitty, they are not news, nor do they warrant any real discussion beyond the local police station and courthouse. If there was a trend of robberies increasing, then that would be worth discussing. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:19 Simberto wrote: Because most women are not sexually attracted to women. Most men are. Thus all other things like the chance of a guard wanting to rape a prisoner etc... being the same, you have a far higher chance of having a group of men conspire to rape female prisoners then a group of women, simply based on the fact that heterosexuals are a large majority of people. Heterosexuals are a large majority of people, but female prison guards is a skewed subset of that group. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
Memories of assault or rape?.... I don't think think TL has ever been a safe haven for victims though, so I don't see a reason to change the title, we could get rid of all the " insert gamertag was raped" or "insert team name is raping" first, and take a good step forward though. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Public discussion/description of rape can be a trigger to panic attacks etc to people have been raped. When posting sensitive things like this it is generally wise to spoiler tag everything under a big "trigger warning" label. On topic, this is one of the most horrific things I've seen come out of a civilized nation in quite some time. I hope the fallout from this is severe, and leads to proper legislation to stop rape in the penal system. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:22 BlueBird. wrote: Memories of assault or rape?.... I don't think think TL has ever been a safe haven for victims though, so I don't see a reason to change the title, we could get rid of all the " insert gamertag was raped" or "insert team name is raping" first, and take a good step forward though. Becoming a "safe space" (read: politically correct feminist echo chamber) is not a good step forward. On June 18 2013 11:23 Larkin wrote: Public discussion/description of rape can be a trigger to panic attacks etc to people have been raped. When posting sensitive things like this it is generally wise to spoiler tag everything under a big "trigger warning" label. On topic, this is one of the most horrific things I've seen come out of a civilized nation in quite some time. I hope the fallout from this is severe, and leads to proper legislation to stop rape in the penal system. How is this more horrific than the male prison rape problem which has long been known and publicly joked about? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:06 Kamais Ookin wrote: If there's a gun pointed at your head, do you bite or swallow? They could still bite it off though, if the guards shot them and killed the prisoners they'd have to give a reason, and the guard would be most likely going to the ER for having his dick bit off. If it happened more than once(which it obviously prolly would) it'd be kinda hard not to put 2+2 = 4 imo. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:24 sunprince wrote: Well, at least hopefully, the case of male rape in prison isnt brought about intentionally by the direct actions of the guards. At least thats a moral distinction. You put criminals into a confined space your going to get beatings, rapes and murders-- theres no realistic way of stopping that. But there is a way of ensuring the guards arent adding to those figures.Becoming a "safe space" (read: politically correct feminist echo chamber) is not a good step forward. How is this more horrific than the male prison rape problem which has long been known and publicly joked about? | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:27 Dazed_Spy wrote: Well, at least hopefully, the case of male rape in prison isnt brought about intentionally by the direct actions of the guards. At least thats a moral distinction. You put criminals into a confined space your going to get beatings, rapes and murders-- theres no realistic way of stopping that. But there is a way of ensuring the guards arent adding to those figures. There's no realistic way stop it but honestly you can do a great deal to prevent it in many cases. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:27 arb wrote: They could still bite it off though, if the guards shot them and killed the prisoners they'd have to give a reason, and the guard would be most likely going to the ER for having his dick bit off. If it happened more than once(which it obviously prolly would) it'd be kinda hard not to put 2+2 = 4 imo. That's a small comfort for the person who is dead. Most people would rather swallow than die, even if they get to go down hurting their aggressor. | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:27 arb wrote: I agree with you, but when you're in that situation on your knees with a gun pointed to your head, knowing that they can pull the trigger, fear sets in which is the true deterrent imo. They could still bite it off though, if the guards shot them and killed the prisoners they'd have to give a reason, and the guard would be most likely going to the ER for having his dick bit off. If it happened more than once(which it obviously prolly would) it'd be kinda hard not to put 2+2 = 4 imo. | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:27 Dazed_Spy wrote: Well, at least hopefully, the case of male rape in prison isnt brought about intentionally by the direct actions of the guards. At least thats a moral distinction. You put criminals into a confined space your going to get beatings, rapes and murders-- theres no realistic way of stopping that. But there is a way of ensuring the guards arent adding to those figures. On June 18 2013 11:28 Kamais Ookin wrote: Sunprince, I think the difference is that fellow male prisoners are raping one another, whereas in this case it was the guards that were abusing the prisoners. I don't think it's possible to always intervene on the first example, but guards raping prisoners should never happen in the first place. To respond to both of you, that's actually not the case. A substantial portion of male prison rape is carried out by facility staff. It happens all the time, but it's apparently only a problem when female inmates are the victims. Male disposability at its finest. | ||
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Archeon
3261 Posts
On June 18 2013 09:11 rezzan wrote: one part of my brain says, "theyre in prison for a reason, they only get what they deserve" and at the sametime i dont know what to think. justified or not. hmm.. ive heard worse in guantanamo bay. they are in prison to protect society from them, nothing else. Nobody deserves to be raped. Yes, Guantanamo is imo one of the two or three big publicly known stains of the American history. Doesnt make stuff like this any better, just because it's more common. | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:32 sunprince wrote: I honestly did not know guards also raped men in prisons, I'm surprised. If that's the case, I don't think one is worse than the other, in an objective equality standpoint, both are awful and should not be happening. To respond to both of you, that's actually not the case. A substantial portion of male prison rape is carried out by facility staff. It happens all the time, but it's apparently only a problem when female inmates are the victims. Male disposability at its finest.  | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
On June 18 2013 11:27 Dazed_Spy wrote: Well, at least hopefully, the case of male rape in prison isnt brought about intentionally by the direct actions of the guards. At least thats a moral distinction. You put criminals into a confined space your going to get beatings, rapes and murders-- theres no realistic way of stopping that. But there is a way of ensuring the guards arent adding to those figures. A subtle problem in all of this though is that, prison rape is not a discussion until it is a male raping a female. Prison guards have been raping inmates for quite some time in male prisons. http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/2013/04/prison-guards-and-prison-guardesses.html https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/displayArticle.aspx?articleid=21225&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1 These articles show even female guards can rape male inmates. Females being raped in prison should not be treated as a special case. More reports of guards raping inmates in US prisons. http://rt.com/usa/guards-alabama-prison-stevenson-173/ Edit: Interestingly enough a quick Google search of "prison guard rapes prisoner" brings up this article about 4 times as much as any other involving male raping male, female raping female, or female raping male. | ||
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
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