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xtphtyy
Profile Joined April 2013
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:20:31
April 08 2013 18:18 GMT
#81
Theoretically you could still kill a poor router even if it is servicing a 100Mbps line. I imagine thats what most streamers are vicitims of as ISP provided routers would easily overload under standard udp / tcp packet floods?

As for the cost of botnets the kid that was DDoSing Destiny claimed to be paying $9.99 for a 100Mbps botnet, not sure how true that is but his connections issues were very apparent and all things pointed to DDoS.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
April 08 2013 18:20 GMT
#82
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:21:52
April 08 2013 18:21 GMT
#83
dude it makes no sense for him to take that.

Like literally no fucking sense at all, its just mindless work for him.

There is nothing to be gained or lost, if you want to do it just do it yourself.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
AzurewinD
Profile Joined November 2010
United States569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:26:23
April 08 2013 18:22 GMT
#84
Destiny's guide is fine... if someone is attacking you through Skype


Welcome to the entire point of the guide. This isn't a new revelation, you're not telling Destiny or anyone else anything they weren't already aware of with this statement.

I think this conversation does bring out a major flaw in the way Skype does work though. Interesting,



*facepalm*

That's exactly why this problem exists.
"...I want more people to be in that state more often, to see things not through the limited and rigid mind or the fearful ego, but through a heart that loves to express and create" - Xiaonan "Glider" Sun
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
April 08 2013 18:23 GMT
#85
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
April 08 2013 18:23 GMT
#86
On April 09 2013 03:15 Inori wrote:I think a proper botnet to take home connection down costs $500+ /h, which is not the money any angry kid would spend just to fuck with a streamer, which renders whole Destiny rant void.

Sure, if the goal was to take it down for a long period. These rent-a-botnet sites work for 60 - 90 sec at once, with a limited number of uses per day. 60 secs is enough to interrupt most connections, drop games, etc, but it has no ongoing damage like a continuous DDoS from a real botnet would, hence why they can afford to rent them out for $20 to script kids.
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Vaticination
Profile Joined April 2013
United States4 Posts
April 08 2013 18:23 GMT
#87
http://gyazo.com/e550b1cbd660f99184e58f6bc0b395cb.png

Pulled from a thread from HF, price for the basic 600 second boot package is $5.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:24:17
April 08 2013 18:23 GMT
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 08 2013 18:24 GMT
#89
On April 09 2013 03:23 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
dude it makes no sense for him to take that.

Like literally no fucking sense at all, its just mindless work for him.

There is nothing to be gained or lost, if you want to do it just do it yourself.

I just explained why I offer it 3 posts ago.

didnt see the edit, sry.
but still its not something you couldnt do yourself and just post the results if you want to make a point.
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
April 08 2013 18:25 GMT
#90
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
April 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#91
On April 09 2013 03:25 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 03:24 PassiveAce wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:23 Inori wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:21 PassiveAce wrote:
dude it makes no sense for him to take that.

Like literally no fucking sense at all, its just mindless work for him.

There is nothing to be gained or lost, if you want to do it just do it yourself.

I just explained why I offer it 3 posts ago.

didnt see the edit, sry.
but still its not something you couldnt do yourself and just post the results if you want to make a point.

Destiny can always claim I'm lying to protect his massive ego.


Honestly I wish you were just lying or trolling or whatever. It would be much better than the alternative.
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MysT91
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom5 Posts
April 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#92
I'm not sure how you're still requesting this $50 bet when you said yourself that a simple DoS attack from R1CH caused an "almost unnoticeable spike", which is against a 100mbps connection. Using rent-a-botnet is going to cause a much larger spike. Asking R1CH to use his own money to prove an obvious point is just as pointless as this thread.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:29:09
April 08 2013 18:28 GMT
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HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
April 08 2013 18:29 GMT
#94
On April 09 2013 03:28 Inori wrote:
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On April 09 2013 03:23 R1CH wrote:
On April 09 2013 03:15 Inori wrote:I think a proper botnet to take home connection down costs $500+ /h, which is not the money any angry kid would spend just to fuck with a streamer, which renders whole Destiny rant void.

Sure, if the goal was to take it down for a long period. These rent-a-botnet sites work for 60 - 90 sec at once, with a limited number of uses per day. 60 secs is enough to interrupt most connections, drop games, etc, but it has no ongoing damage like a continuous DDoS from a real botnet would, hence why they can afford to rent them out for $20 to script kids.

$20 / month or $20 per use? If you're saying it's $20 / month then I still say it's a scam. $20 per use maybe plausible.


Twenty dollars a month to ruin someone's internet, someone who relies on their internet for their job. Someone who feeds himself and his family with his internet connection. It's not a scam, it's a very real and very devastating issue for a lot of people. Do your homework before you open some childish grab at attention in a fucking forum thread.
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DharmaTurtle
Profile Joined August 2010
United States283 Posts
April 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#95
Story time.

About a year or two ago, there was a kid that DDoS'ed Destiny's connection. This was before DDoSing became prevalent in the community. How did Destiny know he was getting DDoSed? Because the kid skyped him and bragged about it. Destiny did his own research and found out that you could pay websites to saturate lines, though they would most likely only disrupt residential-level bandwidth. The kid kept on DDoSing and DDoSing, driving Destiny up a wall. He contacted his ISP, numerous forums, even the FBI, and got nowhere. Eventually he figured out that his Skype was leaking his IP, so he got a proxy for it and suddenly his stream was fine. He then tried to go after the kid, resulting in the Judge Judy story you might have heard tale of. Nothing came of it, but the DDoSing stopped after the Skype proxy went into play.

Since then, DDoSing has become much more popular, kicking other famous streamers offline. DDoSers have disrupted the EG teamhouse, many LoL streamers, and more recently Stephano's opponents. All attacks have stopped when the victim got a Skype proxy and reset their IP address.

Inori, you may have the technical knowledge, but you haven't had the experiences that the streamers have. There's a reason those DDoS sites exist - because they make money. They don't all work through the Skype exploit - I think they originally started by DDoSing XBox Live connections. You could be right - it could be an extremely trigger happy $500 rich kid DDoSing everyone in sight. But it's still a problem for which Destiny provided a possible solution.

Destiny fanboys, please shut the fuck up. You're not adding anything to the conversation, as usual.
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Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
April 08 2013 18:34 GMT
#96
I remember in the past plenty of WoW arena players would regularly get DOS/DDOSed while playing for glad/r1 ratings from random kids whom somehow got their skype information, which would cause them to drop/lag out from the game.

So, while whatever precautions you're taking Inori seem to be mildly effective, most gamers don't have this knowledge and/or expertise. The issue is real, regardless if you admit it or not.
Destiny
Profile Joined May 2009
United States280 Posts
April 08 2013 18:35 GMT
#97
On April 09 2013 03:15 Inori wrote:
I want to clarify that 100 mbit is not uncommon in Europe. Costs ~ $25 / month.

See the problem with me testing myself is that I think they're scams and even if I test it myself nobody will believe me anyway.

I think a proper botnet to take home connection down costs $500+ /h, which is not the money any angry kid would spend just to fuck with a streamer, which renders whole Destiny rant void.

What you're saying is literally the equivalent of holocaust-denial. People have lost thousands of dollars of revenue to having to deal like this. I've gone through 2 interviews with the FBI trying to get shit done. I've done tons of extensive research on the topic out of necessity for survival. For you to waltz onto the internet and act like you have any idea what you're talking about (when you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about) and then make a bet for $50 because you think you're hot shit is incredibly fucking insulting. If you want to try later tonight, I'll have a few friends who own some booter sites, I'll take on your little bet and flood you offline, no problem.
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wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:37:52
April 08 2013 18:36 GMT
#98
On April 09 2013 03:28 Inori wrote:
I'm offering my money if you didn't notice.

Might as well use that $50 to see if you can DDoS yourself. Kekeke

Edit: God dammit you already addressed this.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 08 2013 18:38 GMT
#99
On April 09 2013 01:58 Sir.Kimmel wrote:
Just for the record... haha... actually being in the security business and dealing with actual DDoS attacks on a daily basis.. I just chuckled when I read his guide for the first time..

First off let's not get the terms confused

DDoS and DoS.... the fanboys targeting you Destiny Most likely.. actually 98% sure .. do not control a botnet and are not performing a true distributed attack if they are show me some logs and I will forward them to my contacts at the FBI and we'll see what happens after a few months. So let's move forward with the assumption that you are getting DoS'd because this is most likely what is happening.



Pretty sure that most people that ddos are using "booters" which is a pretty much a compilation of php scripts on servers.
So the term DDos is 100% valid
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
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Last Edited: 2013-04-08 18:41:04
April 08 2013 18:38 GMT
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