EPTDestiny - calling you out (DDoS home network)
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Sir.Kimmel
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First off let's not get the terms confused DDoS and DoS.... the fanboys targeting you Destiny Most likely.. actually 98% sure .. do not control a botnet and are not performing a true distributed attack if they are show me some logs and I will forward them to my contacts at the FBI and we'll see what happens after a few months. So let's move forward with the assumption that you are getting DoS'd because this is most likely what is happening. The easiest and most common way to actually DoS a "Server" I'm using that word here and please note that many streamers are not running servers.. is to open a connection constantly to the system and spoof your sender address... this will cause the server to contact a fakjavascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'quote')e ip address constantly waiting for a reply.. Think of it like this.. a crazy ex girlfriend, you call her from a strange phone, and she calls you back 50 times say HEY HEY HEY HEY before finally getting upset and blowing her brains out. Now... you being one individual.. and not hosting a server or anything that should be handling connections in that manner should not be affected.... unless you have some service or something exposed. By default your home router will not be accepting random connections. So is there some flaw with skype that allows me to completely kill your connection once I get your ip? Probably not... so what the hell is going on... or is it just every streamer in the world just using that excuse and not really having any idea of what's going on. Someone should PM me their logs after the suffer such a DoS and I'll take a look at it... Why do you think DDoS is an issue? Because dozens of people in the streaming and youtube world have had to deal with inexperienced kids DDoSing their connection offline. It's not like you're running a web server and are spammed with GET requests on a static content (like most real DDoS happen). You don't have to be running a webserver for someone to spam your home connection with SYN packets using a botnet. Don't open ports you don't need, don't respond to ping requests and worst a DDoSer can do to you is spam SYNC/ANC. Closing ports won't prevent a botnet from saturating your line. Once your line's been saturated, nothing you can do at your level will help. Assuming even 10mbit connection, do you know how big the botnet has to be to kill your connection with just SYNC/ANC? Not too big? I don't know the specifics, but seeing that dozens of people in the industry are hurt by these incredibly stupid/inexperienced kids kind of lends itself to the fact that these large botnets are very easily obtainable (at least for 1 minute-sustained attacks). You can't spam a home network with Syn packets and bring it down... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7wKb6.gif) your home router will not respond to Syn's because you are not answering connection attempts. It's as simple as that.... Maybe Skype does? I'd need to look into the traffic.... but just having an IP address.. spamming syns.. you will not take anyone out... it'll hit your router and just be dropped. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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Torte de Lini
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On April 09 2013 02:06 Inori wrote: Assuming he's right and I'm wrong then it's a matter of "$15/month for stupid kids that type few words into google and push some buttons". Surely for a person with his knowledge it's easy money in no time. And ha-ha on 1, considering only reason I had to offer the bet is because of his obnoxious ego that clouds his views on reality. Sir.Kimmel, thanks for the lengthy response! I may be wrong, but you can kill the connection on home router with SYN if you spam them enough so the connection gets overflooded with requests, doesn't matter if router responds or not at this point. Granted, that requires enormous botnet that nobody will sell for $15 / month.. $1,500,000 maybe  It's obvious that this bet is not to prove an informative wrong or flawed, but to attack the person who's providing it. If he takes you up on your bet, he's enabling you that this kind of behavior is both justified and valid (which it isn't, and it's beside the intention and point of his post). | ||
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Sir.Kimmel
United States785 Posts
On April 09 2013 02:06 Inori wrote: Assuming he's right and I'm wrong then it's a matter of "$15/month for stupid kids that type few words into google and push some buttons". Surely for a person with his knowledge it's easy money in no time. And ha-ha on 1, considering only reason I had to offer the bet is because of his obnoxious ego that clouds his views on reality. Sir.Kimmel, thanks for the lengthy response! I may be wrong, but you can kill the connection on home router with SYN if you spam them enough so the connection gets overflooded with requests, doesn't matter if router responds or not at this point. Granted, that requires enormous botnet that nobody will sell for $15 / month.. $1,500,000 maybe Not true... Syn floods rely on on you initiating a connection and the machine you sending the request to contacting back.. a syn flood will not affect a home router... the fact that an external source should not and cannot actively initate a connection to a router because there's nothing to connect to will prevent the attack.. you can sit here and spam my IP address all you want... my router won't even spend an ounce of effort to respond to it. For a syn flood to work I would need to actively have a port open such as 3306, 22, anything like that, actively accepting connections... and if this is your configuration.. well you're and idiot. Keep in mind we are specifically talking about a syn attack which is the most popular method of DoSing | ||
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Spooony
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
DDoS and DoS.... the fanboys targeting you Destiny Most likely.. actually 98% sure .. do not control a botnet and are not performing a true distributed attack if they are show me some logs and I will forward them to my contacts at the FBI and we'll see what happens after a few months. So let's move forward with the assumption that you are getting DoS'd because this is most likely what is happening. The fact that you even honestly think you can knock a standard internet connection offline with a DoS means you need to kill yourself, or at least leave the field you're working in, Jesus. Kids can rent a botnet for $15/month EASILY these days, learn how to use a fucking search engine, idiot. User was warned for this post | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 01:36 Inori wrote: So Destiny posted this.. something http://www.destiny.gg/n/protection-from-ddos-attacks/ on reddit. It's about protecting against DDoS on home networks. The methods he suggests using are good for other use cases (proxy traffic), but why the f would you want to defend against DDoS on home network? Because streamers are getting DDoS'd on their home networks, that's the entire point of the article. On April 09 2013 01:36 Inori wrote: I couldn't walk by knowing that somebody is wrong on the internets and spreads his "knowledge" around. I raised a few questions, which Destiny replied to in his traditional ways. So it seems that easiest way to prove my point is to offer a simple bet, which he dodged (lol). If by his traditional ways you mean answering your questions, then yes. He answered all of your questions. On April 09 2013 01:36 Inori wrote: Reddit fan boys being reddit fan boys, I'm being down voted for legitimate questions, so I figured it would be more constructive to post on tl.net to get a more healthy discussion (I know there are actually qualified people to talk on this subject here, unlike reddit). The reddit and teamliquid communities overlap heavily. On April 09 2013 01:36 Inori wrote: tl;dr: Destiny, I offer $50 bet that you can't take my connection down even for 5 minutes. Either take it and prove you actually know what you're talking about or stop spreading false information amongst people that don't know any better. You're acting like a god damn child. Seriously, you need to grow the hell up. | ||
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R1CH
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TLDR: Streamers are getting DDoSed on a home connection by using Skype which leaks their IP. The type of DDoS attack is irrelevant as long as it has sufficient bandwidth to saturate the downstream. No, the attackers don't have their own botnets, they pay $20 to rent-a-botnet sites to use them for a few minutes at a time. | ||
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ibekaracay
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The reason is that most of the top streamers are getting their IPs taken from skype, so his post will be greatly helpful to those | ||
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R1CH
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 02:31 R1CH wrote: Actually I'm gonna reopen this, can I take the bet? Well this just got interesting. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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PassiveAce
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also resorting to "kill urself" when someone is wrong about technical information on the internet is hilarious. | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 02:37 Inori wrote: Nope, I can give you my IP for you to test out before you commit to the bet: 90.191.167.138. In fact if you take my connection down while testing I'll pay $50. Never reveal your true name to a wizard. | ||
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Penev
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CecilSunkure
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On April 09 2013 02:36 R1CH wrote: Do you have a stream or something I can use to prove how trivial it is to interrupt a game of SC2? Oh so trivial. Wizards. | ||
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PassiveAce
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Gofarman
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Vaticination
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but in this particular case I'm willing to bet my money that he's wrong. I'm so sorry. | ||
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Penev
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Deleted User 61629
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PassiveAce
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Czarnodziej
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On April 09 2013 02:40 Inori wrote: I respect his knowledge in this field, maybe even more than others because I also work in this field and I know how well he knows some stuff, but in this particular case I'm willing to bet my money that he's wrong. You just revealed your IP address to everyone. " I also work in this field". My mind is blown. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Coagulation
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 02:44 Inori wrote: He's scanning my ports Like a shark circling a fisherman. | ||
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CecilSunkure
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On April 09 2013 02:45 Coagulation wrote: I wish rich would scan my ports R1CH can scan my ports any day. | ||
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ZRand
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gosuRabbit
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mdb
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On April 09 2013 02:45 Coagulation wrote: I wish rich would scan my ports lol | ||
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hysterial
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On April 09 2013 02:46 Inori wrote: Going offline in 1,5 hours, so make it quick or let's continue tomorrow. How can you prove that it isn't working? | ||
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gibbons_
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On April 09 2013 02:46 Inori wrote: Going offline in 1,5 hours, so make it quick or let's continue tomorrow. #HESCURRED | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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Roggay
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On April 09 2013 02:46 ZRand wrote: I thought that this was illegal. Technically, not when the "victim" agrees, for test purposes. | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 02:47 Roggay wrote: Technically, not when the "victim" agrees, for test purposes. If you catch my drift. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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PassiveAce
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PiQLiQ
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Someone linked this to me and i just had to say this because making up stories doesn't help future streamers. | ||
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Roggay
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Its not rape, its surprise buttseks! | ||
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DinosaurPoop
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He has been ranting about this heavily on his stream that recently started. | ||
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CecilSunkure
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On April 09 2013 02:50 DinosaurPoop wrote: Destiny FIGHTING!!! He has been ranting about this heavily on his stream that recently started. Thank you for letting us know. This information is integral. | ||
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Deleted User 61629
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xtphtyy
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R1CH
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Torte de Lini
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Czarnodziej
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On April 09 2013 02:57 FinBenton wrote: In order to test this you need to have a regular connection and open up a stream so we see it goes down. This. How we ever gonna get proof that TC is right? Whole issue seems pretty pointless. | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 02:59 Inori wrote: As I said I'm simply allowing R1CH to test without commitment, only I am commited to the bet right now. When he agrees to commit then we'll discuss logistics. You really are an arrogant little twit aren't you. | ||
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Vaticination
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On April 09 2013 02:59 Inori wrote: Spike was barely noticeable, only when refreshing info on router itself. Because you were committing your entire throughput to taking a DDoS from a single server. | ||
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bonifaceviii
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mdb
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lisward
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On April 09 2013 03:05 Inori wrote: Can you PM me the IP you're testing from? I'm simultaneously spammed by about 50 other Destiny fan boys desperately trying something. LOL well what kind of outcome did you expect.... | ||
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Vaticination
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On April 09 2013 03:04 Inori wrote: You're right, but it was a DoS. Exactly. It was only a single server that managed to affect your ping. Now, as Rich said, imagine fifty or more of those all doing the same thing. Not too difficult to imagine, right? You can pay for access to a botnet off a site like HF and do that. Anyone with some extra cash and a desire to fuck with you can do it. | ||
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Sir.Kimmel
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On April 09 2013 02:49 PiQLiQ wrote: After reading this and reading the reddit post. I suggest that both Inori and Sir.Kimmel finds a cave and crawl back in there. Because everything ur saying is false. I have many friends that got ddosd. I spent so much of my time listening to them and being a moral support when they were furious trying to protect themselves from it. I'm not saying that i'm an expert in this subject. Someone linked this to me and i just had to say this because making up stories doesn't help future streamers. Heh... I'm not wrong though. You cannot send syn packets to a router and kill the connection.. unless there is a misconfiguration or something is stupidly open. Point blank that is my statement. I am an expert in this field I hold several incident response certifications. Can you send malformed packets? Yes... Can you potentially DoS someone through Skype? Sure... but just sending Syn packets to an external router.. will not work. I have worked with several large banks/fortune 500 on mitigation strategies. But Destiny, it's pretty easy to tell where I work.. I've posted numerous blogs of mine on this site. I'm really not trying to get into an argument here, Destiny's guide is fine... if someone is attacking you through Skype, great simply run through a VPN. But I threw a few disclaimers into my statement, because I'm not sure how people are actually taking someone offline through skype... I would need to look at the logs and grab some pcaps to really be able to tell. Using my opinion I can tell you though, that if Skype is simply accepting a ton of traffic and it's flood your network, simply shutting off the program and clearing active connections would stop this attack after a few minutes. Keep in mind that you would have to wait for the connections to close but you wouldn't receive any additional traffic once Skype is closed. My entire point before I was rudely called out by one of the prominent personalities here, is that a simple syn flood will not take down a home connection, and that is a statement you weren't even bringing up Destiny so there was no point in attacking me. I did misspeak on the botnet though, I meant to say that I don't believe people are using a botnet which can be bought. It would be simple to code a tool to send consistent connections to one IP address over Skype, I would need to see some traffic but you could easily do it from one system, and simply run it through TOR... not hard. I think this conversation does bring out a major flaw in the way Skype does work though. Interesting, I think I'll do some testing in a lab and post something up in the coming days. Think before you post Destiny... I wasn't necessarily calling you out, I think some of your statements are misguided though, but your guide is helpful. I just don't necessarily think it's needed. | ||
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Czarnodziej
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On April 09 2013 03:05 Inori wrote: Can you PM me the IP you're testing from? I'm simultaneously spammed by about 50 other Destiny fan boys desperately trying something. You revealed your IP here. Is this surprising that random ppl want to take you down since you made it 10 times easier for them? | ||
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PassiveAce
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so the fanboys of the guy who wrote the anti-fucking-with-people-guide (technical name) are now trying to fuck with Inori? how does that make any goddamn sense? | ||
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farvacola
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On April 09 2013 03:08 PassiveAce wrote: wait, im confused. so the fanboys of the guy who wrote the anti-fucking-with-people-guide (technical name) are now trying to fuck with Inori? how does that make any goddamn sense? Insert Dark Knight quote here | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:08 PassiveAce wrote: wait, im confused. so the fanboys of the guy who wrote the anti-fucking-with-people-guide (technical name) are now trying to fuck with Inori? how does that make any goddamn sense? None of it makes any sense. Do yourself a favor, just leave. Get out while you still can. Forget about us and everything you've seen today for we are already lost. | ||
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R1CH
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.Basically neither myself nor Destiny have the resources to take this bet without actually using one of the "rent-a-botnet" sites. Inori has a 100mbps connection which can absorb most single DoS attacks (not DDoS). So this thread basically comes down to "I have a good internet connection", if this was a 20mbps or slower connection like is more common among home users, it would definitely feel the impact from a single DoS attack. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
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On April 09 2013 02:47 Roggay wrote: Technically, not when the "victim" agrees, for test purposes. In Hentai rape logic, You just have to keep on doing it until they like it. Then its no longer rape and thus no longer illegal. | ||
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shobecool
United States2 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:14 R1CH wrote: I don't wanna go there, you're welcome to test one on yourself though .Basically neither myself nor Destiny have the resources to take this bet without actually using one of the "rent-a-botnet" sites. Inori has a 100mbps connection which can absorb most single DoS attacks (not DDoS). So this thread basically comes down to "I have a good internet connection", if this was a 20mbps or slower connection like is more common among home users, it would definitely feel the impact from a single DoS attack. So what you are saying is that Inori is wrong and Destiny is right. IC | ||
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xtphtyy
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As for the cost of botnets the kid that was DDoSing Destiny claimed to be paying $9.99 for a 100Mbps botnet, not sure how true that is but his connections issues were very apparent and all things pointed to DDoS. | ||
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PassiveAce
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Like literally no fucking sense at all, its just mindless work for him. There is nothing to be gained or lost, if you want to do it just do it yourself. | ||
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AzurewinD
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Destiny's guide is fine... if someone is attacking you through Skype Welcome to the entire point of the guide. This isn't a new revelation, you're not telling Destiny or anyone else anything they weren't already aware of with this statement. I think this conversation does bring out a major flaw in the way Skype does work though. Interesting, *facepalm* That's exactly why this problem exists. | ||
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R1CH
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On April 09 2013 03:15 Inori wrote:I think a proper botnet to take home connection down costs $500+ /h, which is not the money any angry kid would spend just to fuck with a streamer, which renders whole Destiny rant void. Sure, if the goal was to take it down for a long period. These rent-a-botnet sites work for 60 - 90 sec at once, with a limited number of uses per day. 60 secs is enough to interrupt most connections, drop games, etc, but it has no ongoing damage like a continuous DDoS from a real botnet would, hence why they can afford to rent them out for $20 to script kids. | ||
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Vaticination
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Pulled from a thread from HF, price for the basic 600 second boot package is $5. | ||
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PassiveAce
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didnt see the edit, sry. but still its not something you couldnt do yourself and just post the results if you want to make a point. | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 03:25 Inori wrote: Destiny can always claim I'm lying to protect his massive ego. Honestly I wish you were just lying or trolling or whatever. It would be much better than the alternative. | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 03:28 Inori wrote: $20 / month or $20 per use? If you're saying it's $20 / month then I still say it's a scam. $20 per use maybe plausible. Twenty dollars a month to ruin someone's internet, someone who relies on their internet for their job. Someone who feeds himself and his family with his internet connection. It's not a scam, it's a very real and very devastating issue for a lot of people. Do your homework before you open some childish grab at attention in a fucking forum thread. | ||
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DharmaTurtle
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About a year or two ago, there was a kid that DDoS'ed Destiny's connection. This was before DDoSing became prevalent in the community. How did Destiny know he was getting DDoSed? Because the kid skyped him and bragged about it. Destiny did his own research and found out that you could pay websites to saturate lines, though they would most likely only disrupt residential-level bandwidth. The kid kept on DDoSing and DDoSing, driving Destiny up a wall. He contacted his ISP, numerous forums, even the FBI, and got nowhere. Eventually he figured out that his Skype was leaking his IP, so he got a proxy for it and suddenly his stream was fine. He then tried to go after the kid, resulting in the Judge Judy story you might have heard tale of. Nothing came of it, but the DDoSing stopped after the Skype proxy went into play. Since then, DDoSing has become much more popular, kicking other famous streamers offline. DDoSers have disrupted the EG teamhouse, many LoL streamers, and more recently Stephano's opponents. All attacks have stopped when the victim got a Skype proxy and reset their IP address. Inori, you may have the technical knowledge, but you haven't had the experiences that the streamers have. There's a reason those DDoS sites exist - because they make money. They don't all work through the Skype exploit - I think they originally started by DDoSing XBox Live connections. You could be right - it could be an extremely trigger happy $500 rich kid DDoSing everyone in sight. But it's still a problem for which Destiny provided a possible solution. Destiny fanboys, please shut the fuck up. You're not adding anything to the conversation, as usual. | ||
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Masq
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So, while whatever precautions you're taking Inori seem to be mildly effective, most gamers don't have this knowledge and/or expertise. The issue is real, regardless if you admit it or not. | ||
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Destiny
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On April 09 2013 03:15 Inori wrote: I want to clarify that 100 mbit is not uncommon in Europe. Costs ~ $25 / month. See the problem with me testing myself is that I think they're scams and even if I test it myself nobody will believe me anyway. I think a proper botnet to take home connection down costs $500+ /h, which is not the money any angry kid would spend just to fuck with a streamer, which renders whole Destiny rant void. What you're saying is literally the equivalent of holocaust-denial. People have lost thousands of dollars of revenue to having to deal like this. I've gone through 2 interviews with the FBI trying to get shit done. I've done tons of extensive research on the topic out of necessity for survival. For you to waltz onto the internet and act like you have any idea what you're talking about (when you clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about) and then make a bet for $50 because you think you're hot shit is incredibly fucking insulting. If you want to try later tonight, I'll have a few friends who own some booter sites, I'll take on your little bet and flood you offline, no problem. | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:28 Inori wrote: I'm offering my money if you didn't notice. Might as well use that $50 to see if you can DDoS yourself. Kekeke Edit: God dammit you already addressed this. | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:58 Sir.Kimmel wrote: Just for the record... haha... actually being in the security business and dealing with actual DDoS attacks on a daily basis.. I just chuckled when I read his guide for the first time.. First off let's not get the terms confused DDoS and DoS.... the fanboys targeting you Destiny Most likely.. actually 98% sure .. do not control a botnet and are not performing a true distributed attack if they are show me some logs and I will forward them to my contacts at the FBI and we'll see what happens after a few months. So let's move forward with the assumption that you are getting DoS'd because this is most likely what is happening. Pretty sure that most people that ddos are using "booters" which is a pretty much a compilation of php scripts on servers. So the term DDos is 100% valid | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 03:38 Inori wrote: Well I'm offering the money to find out if it works once and for all. R1CH is the only one I'd trust to find least shady $15-20/month botnet and he is the one community would trust with results, not me. Didn't take precautions at all, except for the very basic on-off switches that a soccer mom can press. I actually noticed a few holes halfway through R1CH tests, but figured I'll let them slide, since my original point was about illiterate people like Destiny. Holy shit you're fucking delusional. | ||
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Spooony
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On April 09 2013 03:35 Destiny wrote: What you're saying is literally the equivalent of holocaust-denial. Dude... just no. | ||
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xtphtyy
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On April 09 2013 03:43 Inori wrote: BTW Destiny fanboys trying something is still going strong :D can you post the load value on your router? tried a bunch of simple hping stuff that ive killed crappy routers with before but didnt amount to much  | ||
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shobecool
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On April 09 2013 03:41 fabiano wrote: So far Inori is winning his challenge, even if he is wrong about the subject. In case you havent noticed, Rich already got a response, even with his profoundly limited resources, in my eyes (and I mean, even subjectively), inori already lost. | ||
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Penev
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And you're not adding anything useful to the thread. Please stop. @Inori: What is your explanation for the recent attacks if it's not the 20/month botnets? | ||
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HollowLord
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On April 09 2013 03:48 Inori wrote: My point still stands that this kind of botnet is far more expensive that $15 / month and thus nobody would care enough to pay that much just to fuck with some streamer. This is just wrong. Like it's not even an argument. You're wrong. | ||
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PiQLiQ
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Not to be rude or something but 1 post saying how wrong Inori is .... is enough. Just give it a rest dude we understand ur point. All ur posts has been nothing but complete garbage except 1.. the first one which u stated ur opinion. It's enough now | ||
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mdb
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On April 09 2013 03:50 HollowLord wrote: This is just wrong. Like it's not even an argument. You're wrong. dude, either take down inoris`s internet connection, or shut the fuck up. everybody got your point already | ||
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Elbee
United States224 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:48 Inori wrote: My point still stands that this kind of botnet is far more expensive that $15 / month and thus nobody would care enough to pay that much just to fuck with some streamer. I don't understand, then why does this kind of activity happen on a daily basis to streamers in every community? If people are rich enough out there to donate hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars to their favorite streamers, I'm sure there's people willing to spend equal amounts to fuck with them. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:51 mdb wrote: dude, either take down inoris`s internet connection, or shut the fuck up. everybody got your point already I'm going to choose the latter. Raging in forum threads is bad for my health. | ||
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xtphtyy
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On April 09 2013 03:52 Elbee wrote: I don't understand, then why does this kind of activity happen on a daily basis to streamers in every community? If people are rich enough out there to donate hundreds (or even thousands) of dollars to their favorite streamers, I'm sure there's people willing to spend equal amounts to fuck with them. Most of it is people with bad networks / ISPs / router / router configurations. Claiming its a DDoS is just something the community does now because its become such a common term. | ||
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Penev
28451 Posts
Oh, haha, I don't have any of that, I'm just curious and I find this thread amusing. But I did read about this so called "attacks". So are you saying Destiny was never attacked? | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:44 shobecool wrote: In case you havent noticed, Rich already got a response, even with his profoundly limited resources, in my eyes (and I mean, even subjectively), inori already lost. Did I read it wrong? Wasn't the challenge to take Inori network down? Because if it is, and his network is still up, then he is winning the bet. I'm not talking about this DDoS/DoS stuff, as I hold no knowledge on the subject. All I'm saying is that no one has taken down Inori's network, which was the challenge. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:59 PassiveAce wrote: Its hard to take destiny seriously when he opens with "literally holocaust denial" lmfao. 4k posts and you act this entitled? It might not be a serious problem to you, but what about all of the content you consume (and probably adblock simultaneously) and the people who produce it who've been involved in DDoS attacks? This list includes the Live on 3 show, SotG, Day9, me, Stephano, countless other streamers/tournaments... To have someone come onto a thread and go "sry this problem isn't real ROFL i have experienc"...do you have any fucking idea how aggravating and insulting that is? | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:01 Inori wrote: I'd need to see the logs to say for sure. I'm saying that to initiate a botnet to take down home network either takes a lot of skill or a lot of money. So either Destiny has very powerful enemies or more realistically his ISP simply sucks. Not just me, but literally dozens of people in the community. Destiny is saying: hey, you can rent "stress" or "booter" websites for $15/month. That stupid kid that he talked to in that youtube video wasn't spending a lot of money and have very little technical knowledge. Plus, there are dozens of people in the community who have had to deal with these attacks. Inori is saying: this is impossible, there is one super hacker, who had $1,000's to spend DDoSing people, and he sounds like this: | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
Its just a poor strategy for getting people to empathize with the problems of people who have decided to play games for a living instead of getting a real job. get over yourself | ||
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Destiny
United States280 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:59 fabiano wrote: Did I read it wrong? Wasn't the challenge to take Inori network down? Because if it is, and his network is still up, then he is winning the bet. I'm not talking about this DDoS/DoS stuff, as I hold no knowledge on the subject. All I'm saying is that no one has taken down Inori's network, which was the challenge. If you're too stupid to understand the situation/context regarding said challenge, why are you even commenting? Can't you fuck off to a different thread or something? On April 09 2013 04:08 PassiveAce wrote: when try to explain your problems to me by comparing your "troubles" to the experiences of my great aunts and uncles who died in the gas chambers you just look like a douchebag. Its just a poor strategy for getting people to care about the problems of people who have decided to play games for a living instead of getting a real job. get over yourself What a disgusting fucking community, holy shit. | ||
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Destiny
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Penev
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On April 09 2013 04:01 Inori wrote: I'd need to see the logs to say for sure. I'm saying that to initiate a botnet to take down home network either takes a lot of skill or a lot of money. So either Destiny has very powerful enemies or more realistically his ISP simply sucks. Thanks. Not sure about the ISP being the more realistic option though; saying stuff like "What you're saying is literally the equivalent of holocaust-denial" could anger quite some people...  | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:08 Destiny wrote: If you're too stupid to understand the situation/context regarding said challenge, why are you even commenting? Can't you fuck off to a different thread or something? What a disgusting fucking community, holy shit. You are welcome to leave. | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
So we are all gonna start smart-ass comments now that have no content at all and feel good about it? Or can we just leave this thread to the people who contribute something to the topic? | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote: I would have more sympathy if you didnt compare yourself to a holocaust victim lmfao. its like you think you can say "literally holocaust denial" and people will think nothing of it aha. He didn't say his problem is like the holocaust. He said what Inori is doing is the same principle as holocaust denial. Learn to read please and then talk big | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On April 09 2013 03:48 Inori wrote: He got a small spike on a 100mbit dedicated server + ~ 50 Destiny fan boys trying something at same time. You'd need 5x that for it to even become annoying, not even talking about actually taking connection down. My point still stands that this kind of botnet is far more expensive that $15 / month and thus nobody would care enough to pay that much just to fuck with some streamer. It doesn't cost 15/month to rent a botnet. It's more like $15/hour. I think a typo keeps being repeated or something, not sure where the 15/month thing came from. People get flooded for about 5 minutes, just long enough to be knocked out of a Starcraft game and get a loss. Then the attack stops. Then it starts again 20 or 30 minutes later to knock them out again. Inori if you really curious I suggest you pay to rent your own botnet and send it against yourself. Renting a botnet is quite illegal (not to mention the sketchy money transactions) and nobody should do something stupid to prove a dumb point except for the person who requested so himself. | ||
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thoraxe
United States1449 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:08 Destiny wrote: What a disgusting fucking community, holy shit. A prime example. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On April 09 2013 04:17 Ficetool wrote: He didn't say his problem is like the holocaust. He said what Inori is doing is the same principle as holocaust denial. Learn to read please and then talk big in the analogy of holocaust denial that he proposed he was the victim, and the script kiddies were the nazis, and inori is a holocaust denier. I was really only objecting to the use of the word "literally," because comparing your professional problems to the experiences of holocaust victims is fucking stupid. The analogy is actually pretty clear i think you are confused. | ||
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R1CH
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