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Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
February 16 2013 15:58 GMT
#21
Yeah he was obviously dangerous while running away from the cop or when lying almost dead on the ground.

Fking cop.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 16:00:12
February 16 2013 15:58 GMT
#22
On February 17 2013 00:39 Bleak wrote:
Well as much as people like to bash USA, I think policemen everywhere are pretty much the same. Most of them can be quite cruel. When you give a group of people a gun and permission to use force, you can't expect every one of them to stop and think the consequences of their actions before using that force.


While I can see where you're coming from, if that were the case why wouldn't we hear a lot more about such incidents coming from other countries as well? I mean I can attest to policemen *here* being pretty scummy, but they mostly stick to taking bribery and occasionally helping out various underground cartels, rather than killing innocent people for no reason whatsoever and then making it look like self-defense. Or brutalizing minorities, for that matter. In fact the opposite is true here, for all the wrongdoings and injustices they do, gypsies are very rarely mistreated or abused by power-tripping / racist police officers.

But hey, all of this is topic for a different discussion altogether.

Quite disgusting that these things are more than a rare occurrence. Not expecting much to be done about it either. -_-

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 17 2013 00:57 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:51 shivver wrote:
That is what you call an execution

execution [ˌɛksɪˈkjuːʃən]
n
1. the act or process of executing
2. (Law) the carrying out or undergoing of a sentence of death
3. the style or manner in which something is accomplished or performed; technique as a pianist his execution is poor
4. (Law)
a. the enforcement of the judgment of a court of law
b. the writ ordering such enforcement


mur·der (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v.tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.


I think it was a figure of speech meant to convey the fact that the cop had definite intent to kill going into it. But hey, nice copy paste skills, I bow down to your superior intellect.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43646 Posts
February 16 2013 15:59 GMT
#23
On February 17 2013 00:55 Qikz wrote:
Why the guy ran away from the police I have no idea, but the cop definately should not have shot the guy 6 times in the back just for running away.

To be honest I think the incident probably justifies running away. I'd flee from that police officer, even if I'd done nothing wrong.
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Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 16:02:23
February 16 2013 16:01 GMT
#24
On February 17 2013 00:38 Saraf wrote:
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On February 17 2013 00:29 Reaper9 wrote:
Well, this won't improve their image any. You'd think they'd tread carefully after the recent...incident. Looks like they don't care either way, cuz they think they are invincible.


This was two years ago; it's the video that's just being released now. I believe his family is presently filing a wrongful death suit. Even so: What the fuck, LAPD?


In other words though, Dorner had something right, even though he was part of the crazy himself. Well, I'm glad it's getting noticed now, bunch together the problems all at one time. Maybe there is hope for change within the LAPD.
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AXygnus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal1008 Posts
February 16 2013 16:02 GMT
#25
You can't corner the Dorner.
I believe.
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 16 2013 16:02 GMT
#26
On February 17 2013 00:59 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:55 Qikz wrote:
Why the guy ran away from the police I have no idea, but the cop definately should not have shot the guy 6 times in the back just for running away.

To be honest I think the incident probably justifies running away. I'd flee from that police officer, even if I'd done nothing wrong.


Yeah but now there's precedence, if the LAPD get away with no penalties then running away from a cop can be a death sentence, literally. Who knows, maybe they want you to flee.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
February 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#27
On February 17 2013 01:02 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:59 KwarK wrote:
On February 17 2013 00:55 Qikz wrote:
Why the guy ran away from the police I have no idea, but the cop definately should not have shot the guy 6 times in the back just for running away.

To be honest I think the incident probably justifies running away. I'd flee from that police officer, even if I'd done nothing wrong.


Yeah but now there's precedence, if the LAPD get away with no penalties then running away from a cop can be a death sentence, literally. Who knows, maybe they want you to flee.


Sadistic pleasure, desire to hunt, that sort of stuff? It's sad that such pathetic people manage to end up in positions of power in police departments of some of the largest cities in the world. Sadder still is the fact that their abhorrent behaviour is always swept under the rug, if it's even acknowledged to begin with.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
OniGami
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan140 Posts
February 16 2013 16:11 GMT
#28
http://projects.latimes.com/homicide/post/johnathan-cuevas/
Johnathan Cuevas, 20

Died Oct. 10, 2010

Johnathan Cuevas, a 20-year-old Latino, was killed by a sheriff's deputy Sunday, Oct. 10, near Long Beach Boulevard and Josephine Street in Lynwood, according to Los Angeles County coroner's records.

The incident occurred about 12:30 a.m. when a lone deputy approached three men. One of the men, later identified by the coroner's office as Johnathan Cuevas, allegedly reached into his waistband as he started to run. Seeing this, the deputy fired several times, striking Cuevas, said Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy Luis Castro.

Cuevas was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. A handgun was recovered at the scene, Castro said.

— Carla Rivera

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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
February 16 2013 16:11 GMT
#29
The saddest thing is that some people are already brainwashed enough to justify this. In most countries that cop would get life in prison (or 20-25 years minimum).
Pathetic Greta hater.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
February 16 2013 16:14 GMT
#30
That's so funny, it's like straight out of grand theft auto or something ! And there are even people defending the cop hahaha !
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Peski
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark51 Posts
February 16 2013 16:15 GMT
#31
I really don't get this, last week I also saw a video of cops beating a man who lay down.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
February 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#32
Doesn't help LAPD one bit after the whole Dorner incident.
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shivver
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
February 16 2013 16:21 GMT
#33
On February 17 2013 00:57 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:51 shivver wrote:
That is what you call an execution


execution [ˌɛksɪˈkjuːʃən]
n
1. the act or process of executing
2. (Law) the carrying out or undergoing of a sentence of death
3. the style or manner in which something is accomplished or performed; technique as a pianist his execution is poor
4. (Law)
a. the enforcement of the judgment of a court of law
b. the writ ordering such enforcement


mur·der (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v.tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.


If we're going to be all morally and ethically correct like we're in the court of law on mount olympus in greece...

then cite your sources because for all I know you dug this out of urbandictionary.com

see what I did there?

Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
February 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#34
Here is the "official" version of the facts that was on the linked website.

+ Show Spoiler +
Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front waistband.

As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas screamed, “You fucking shot me!” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of trafñc on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car.

Cuevas was lying on his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming, “Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel” Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying. Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove.


This version and the video that we can see on youtube don't collaborate at all. On the video we see the cop running at the young man who was on ground and promptly shoot at him.
I don't see the scene of ambiguous talk and acting from the victim (while he was wounded on the ground) as portayed in the policeman's report.
Verzweiflung
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria4 Posts
February 16 2013 16:24 GMT
#35
To give u guys an idea why we europeans can't wrap our head around this.

In my country after every shot is fired by a cop an investigation is launched by a DIFFERENT police station eg from another state to prevent bias.
I feel perfectly safe and i know of only 1 case of police brutally
There were ca. 80 shots fired from police officers in 2011 i think.

How can a country that is so proud on their 2nd amendment not demand change?
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-16 16:26:39
February 16 2013 16:25 GMT
#36
edit nvm already posted.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
February 16 2013 16:29 GMT
#37
Are we just going to list every bad thing the LAPD has ever done? This is many months old. It's not a secret they suck...
OniGami
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan140 Posts
February 16 2013 16:31 GMT
#38
On February 17 2013 00:59 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:55 Qikz wrote:
Why the guy ran away from the police I have no idea, but the cop definately should not have shot the guy 6 times in the back just for running away.

To be honest I think the incident probably justifies running away. I'd flee from that police officer, even if I'd done nothing wrong.

Running away from a police officer is ALWAYS a bad idea. They are legally protected to use fair judgment on the course of action they can take as a response. At best, you get a chase. At worst, you get shot. It all goes down to corroborating evidence and in any situation, you end up losing or dead. There should be a public announcement or something about police procedure, at least people know how to respond to police authorities.
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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
February 16 2013 16:31 GMT
#39
these news about LAPD always reminds me of



User was warned for this post
NagAfightinG
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom270 Posts
February 16 2013 16:32 GMT
#40
On February 17 2013 01:21 shivver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2013 00:57 Xpace wrote:
On February 17 2013 00:51 shivver wrote:
That is what you call an execution


execution [ˌɛksɪˈkjuːʃən]
n
1. the act or process of executing
2. (Law) the carrying out or undergoing of a sentence of death
3. the style or manner in which something is accomplished or performed; technique as a pianist his execution is poor
4. (Law)
a. the enforcement of the judgment of a court of law
b. the writ ordering such enforcement


mur·der (mûrdr)
n.
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows.
v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v.tr.
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.


If we're going to be all morally and ethically correct like we're in the court of law on mount olympus in greece...

then cite your sources because for all I know you dug this out of urbandictionary.com

see what I did there?



Its from that crazy book called the dictionary.
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