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I'm confused about all the ppl who think that thought or think that writers should get paid/are getting paid for content. Where do you think should the money come from?
I myself am a writer for the oldest (and biggest) german sc community and I wouldnt be able to do this stuff tl requires. Noone gets paid as far as I know for writing stuff. (besides some newssides/teamsides) Ppl do this because of their passion and because they want to give something back to the community. If you are lucky and incredibly good you can get invited to events by blizzard or you are able to drive to an event by yourself and get a press pass and do some coverage behind the scenes.
But the biggest problem is that there is mostly bad feedback/no feedback. After 2 years I finally got 1 message which said that hes thankful for the effort i put into it. You cant motivate ppl when they want to receive anything for doing something/writing. They need to be motivated by themselves and by the stuff they are doing.
good luck tl!
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They should provide writers with coaching sessions from TL's playerbase to compensate :D That would be kinda cool 
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On January 09 2013 18:20 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote:
Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that  The thing is TL.net is a business venture, not an amateur site run by fans, at least no more.
This is the only reason I even brought the topic up, I view TL now as a business. Given the comment earlier in the thread though I may be ignorant towards the profit side of things.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote:
Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that
It can work the other way around as well since writers can use TL as a stepping stone to paid positions at other sites. People have tried to recruit TL staff before but it doesn't happen too often since most who get hired as TL staff tend to be pretty loyal to TL (they have been working for free).
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I don't quite get why people are against volunteer positions, you decide whether you want, and of course there is requirements, so it's up to you if you want to do it.
Take for example, DreamHack, they are a big organisation and how many volunteers do you think they have?
Around 500, These can be anything from helping to setup the event, maintain it during the event, and clean up after, now their reward? I heard something about getting a free DH pass the next year, or a discount, which is the same that TL is giving the volunteers, passes to events (Online), you do less than the volunteers at DreamHack and get less rewards.
I would like to contribute but covering events outside of Europe is outside my limitations as the time zones will fuck me up for school :/
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It s too bad I dont have the time to be a writer any more.
Anyways good luck to all the applicants, I am looking forward to reading the new recruits first news
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I'm afraid of committing then not being able to match that commitment in the future.
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Question: when you say unless the resume contains relevant work experience, would a writer's resume outside of the e-sports field be appropriate? Or do you mean something specifically related to e-sports?
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Please find some Dota 2 writers as well, since the quality of the news and tournament posts is really bad there 
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I don't see why people are making a big deal of writers not getting paid, it's not like TL is holding their families as hostage or making big money with their work.
Even likes of olympic games only happen thanks to the thousands of volunteers, I'd imagine it's a experience or hobby for most writers here.
Plus you get a fancy pen next to your name, no money compares to that.
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To all those upset about this being unpaid: having a TL writing gig on your resume can open so many doors.
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I think its just thing that we don't know how much TL.net profits and how much operating expenses to get good view are volunteers needed.
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On January 09 2013 18:33 bLueSkY) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 18:20 True_Spike wrote:On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote:
Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that The thing is TL.net is a business venture, not an amateur site run by fans, at least no more. This is the only reason I even brought the topic up, I view TL now as a business. Given the comment earlier in the thread though I may be ignorant towards the profit side of things.
I think most of you are severly overestimating the profit of the website. There is only 1 banner with an ad on the site so that doesn´t make a lot of money for them. And a lot of people use adblock so the site doesn´t get anything from them at all.
The only other source of income is the margin between cost and sellprice of the articles in the store (assuming this goes to the site and not the team).
The costs on the otherside are:
- Access for the writers to leagues
- Servercost
- Fulltime admin staff (and they work really long days)
- Miscelanious and things I can´t think of right now
So in they end there just isn´t any money to pay the other people that volunteer on the site. There are about 250 people involved in the writing/translating/graphics/moderating etc. and no way to pay them all.
If they end up with a little extra cash, most of the time, they also invest it back into the community through something like a tournament with prizemoney.
Perhaps when the revenue increases a bit more the senior members of the different volunteerteams can get some income but it will be a long way of before all volunteers can get a monetary compensation.
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To bad I don´t have the insight for the stories etc. they are asking for. Lately I found I watch most streams while doing other responsibilities so I don´t really pick up on the details
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I would love to join but I don't think I have the resources to even watch a league online, never mind attend a tournament!
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On January 09 2013 19:19 wUndertUnge wrote:
Question: when you say unless the resume contains relevant work experience, would a writer's resume outside of the e-sports field be appropriate? Or do you mean something specifically related to e-sports?
If you have previous experience as a writer surely that is relevant for an SC2 writer position :-)
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On January 09 2013 15:26 StarcraftWonders wrote:
is this a paid position>?
User was warned for this post
Why do they warn people that ask if its a paid position? its not and that's the answer.
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On January 09 2013 20:10 aka_star wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:26 StarcraftWonders wrote:
is this a paid position>?
User was warned for this post Why do they warn people that ask if its a paid position? its not and that's the answer.
Because it's written in the OP. Something you didn't read either ...
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On January 09 2013 20:10 aka_star wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:26 StarcraftWonders wrote:
is this a paid position>?
User was warned for this post Why do they warn people that ask if its a paid position? its not and that's the answer.
Positions are not paid and are on a strictly voluntary basis.
Meaning they didn't read the OP
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Good luck to anyone who applies! Big up
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On January 09 2013 19:38 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I would love to join but I don't think I have the resources to even watch a league online, never mind attend a tournament!
That's why they give passes for SC2 leagues to their writers.
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