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On January 09 2013 20:10 aka_star wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:26 StarcraftWonders wrote: is this a paid position>?
User was warned for this post Why do they warn people that ask if its a paid position? its not and that's the answer.
because it's written in the topic that its NOT a paid position. So ppl shouldn't jump in the topic asking stuff that is already in the OP.
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So this is how Snute is joining TL ?
Also, do you need any help reviewing articles before they get posted ?
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On January 09 2013 15:37 CursOr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:35 jiberish wrote: Wow they do it for free. Now I appreciate their write ups even more. So sad that most of the fantastic articles get 5 pages of comments even though they have gorgeous artwork and amazing writing... and a 20 word post with a pasted Tweet from Destiny gets 100 pages in 24 hours. I think a reason of this cause it's a different section. Even when you select the sc2 forum from the top bar you don't get to the news stuff. Hell its only recently i found those recaps/previews exist at all.
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United States8476 Posts
On January 09 2013 20:41 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:37 CursOr wrote:On January 09 2013 15:35 jiberish wrote: Wow they do it for free. Now I appreciate their write ups even more. So sad that most of the fantastic articles get 5 pages of comments even though they have gorgeous artwork and amazing writing... and a 20 word post with a pasted Tweet from Destiny gets 100 pages in 24 hours. I think a reason of this cause it's a different section. Even when you select the sc2 forum from the top bar you don't get to the news stuff. Hell its only recently i found those recaps/previews exist at all. What? You have almost 3000 posts. Are you serious? O_O
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Wow I'd so like to give it a shot
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On January 09 2013 20:44 monk. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 20:41 Assirra wrote:On January 09 2013 15:37 CursOr wrote:On January 09 2013 15:35 jiberish wrote: Wow they do it for free. Now I appreciate their write ups even more. So sad that most of the fantastic articles get 5 pages of comments even though they have gorgeous artwork and amazing writing... and a 20 word post with a pasted Tweet from Destiny gets 100 pages in 24 hours. I think a reason of this cause it's a different section. Even when you select the sc2 forum from the top bar you don't get to the news stuff. Hell its only recently i found those recaps/previews exist at all. What? You have almost 3000 posts. Are you serious? O_O I am unfortunately. Makes me sad thinking about what i missed during some preview and recaps of certain tournaments
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On January 09 2013 19:37 Golden Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 18:33 bLueSkY) wrote:On January 09 2013 18:20 True_Spike wrote:On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote: Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that  The thing is TL.net is a business venture, not an amateur site run by fans, at least no more. This is the only reason I even brought the topic up, I view TL now as a business. Given the comment earlier in the thread though I may be ignorant towards the profit side of things. I think most of you are severly overestimating the profit of the website. There is only 1 banner with an ad on the site so that doesn´t make a lot of money for them. And a lot of people use adblock so the site doesn´t get anything from them at all. The only other source of income is the margin between cost and sellprice of the articles in the store (assuming this goes to the site and not the team). The costs on the otherside are: - Access for the writers to leagues - Servercost - Fulltime admin staff (and they work really long days) - Miscelanious and things I can´t think of right now So in they end there just isn´t any money to pay the other people that volunteer on the site. There are about 250 people involved in the writing/translating/graphics/moderating etc. and no way to pay them all. If they end up with a little extra cash, most of the time, they also invest it back into the community through something like a tournament with prizemoney. Perhaps when the revenue increases a bit more the senior members of the different volunteerteams can get some income but it will be a long way of before all volunteers can get a monetary compensation. ---- To bad I don´t have the insight for the stories etc. they are asking for. Lately I found I watch most streams while doing other responsibilities so I don´t really pick up on the details  I'm sure they make quite a bit from that single ad, this site has a lot of pageviews. Another revenue stream, the TL store (which has sold out of thousands of t-shirts and other items), has to bring in a decent amount of money. Not to mention miscellaneous things such as the documentary they released "Liquid Rising" which had over $50,000 donated to it.
I am not claiming to know the finances of Team Liquid however I think people are severely underestimating it's profitability.
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On January 09 2013 20:48 coMbs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:37 Golden Ghost wrote:On January 09 2013 18:33 bLueSkY) wrote:On January 09 2013 18:20 True_Spike wrote:On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote: Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that  The thing is TL.net is a business venture, not an amateur site run by fans, at least no more. This is the only reason I even brought the topic up, I view TL now as a business. Given the comment earlier in the thread though I may be ignorant towards the profit side of things. I think most of you are severly overestimating the profit of the website. There is only 1 banner with an ad on the site so that doesn´t make a lot of money for them. And a lot of people use adblock so the site doesn´t get anything from them at all. The only other source of income is the margin between cost and sellprice of the articles in the store (assuming this goes to the site and not the team). The costs on the otherside are: - Access for the writers to leagues - Servercost - Fulltime admin staff (and they work really long days) - Miscelanious and things I can´t think of right now So in they end there just isn´t any money to pay the other people that volunteer on the site. There are about 250 people involved in the writing/translating/graphics/moderating etc. and no way to pay them all. If they end up with a little extra cash, most of the time, they also invest it back into the community through something like a tournament with prizemoney. Perhaps when the revenue increases a bit more the senior members of the different volunteerteams can get some income but it will be a long way of before all volunteers can get a monetary compensation. ---- To bad I don´t have the insight for the stories etc. they are asking for. Lately I found I watch most streams while doing other responsibilities so I don´t really pick up on the details  I'm sure they make quite a bit from that single ad, this site has a lot of pageviews. Also, you are forgetting another revenue stream, the TL store (which has sold out of thousands of t-shirts and other items). Not to mention miscellaneous things such as the documentary they released "Liquid Rising" which had over $50,000 donated to it. I am not claiming to know the finances of Team Liquid however I think people are severely underestimating it's profitability.
The team and the site are two different entities as far as I know. You don't know where the profit from the store goes to or any profit for that matter
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Why would TL give people money for doing stuff like that. There are quite a few people doing it for free anyways.
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Would it be possible to have a chat before I send in an application? I've still got some questions ^^
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On January 09 2013 20:54 Aunvilgod wrote: Why would TL give people money for doing stuff like that. There are quite a few people doing it for free anyways.
I think TL and other sites value their writers work and would pay them if they could. Hell, even Cadred.org doesn't offer salary to their writers (as far as i remember reading their recruiting posts) and they are fairly big site, aren't they?
IMO this is great opportunity to get some experience and get better as a writer. If i would be interested and capable of doing stuff like this, i wouldn't hesitate to apply and work for free. Even getting tournament pass is great for starters.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 09 2013 20:46 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 20:44 monk. wrote:On January 09 2013 20:41 Assirra wrote:On January 09 2013 15:37 CursOr wrote:On January 09 2013 15:35 jiberish wrote: Wow they do it for free. Now I appreciate their write ups even more. So sad that most of the fantastic articles get 5 pages of comments even though they have gorgeous artwork and amazing writing... and a 20 word post with a pasted Tweet from Destiny gets 100 pages in 24 hours. I think a reason of this cause it's a different section. Even when you select the sc2 forum from the top bar you don't get to the news stuff. Hell its only recently i found those recaps/previews exist at all. What? You have almost 3000 posts. Are you serious? O_O I am unfortunately. Makes me sad thinking about what i missed during some preview and recaps of certain tournaments 
You missed all of my terrible puns and Inca jokes T_T
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On January 09 2013 20:41 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 15:37 CursOr wrote:On January 09 2013 15:35 jiberish wrote: Wow they do it for free. Now I appreciate their write ups even more. So sad that most of the fantastic articles get 5 pages of comments even though they have gorgeous artwork and amazing writing... and a 20 word post with a pasted Tweet from Destiny gets 100 pages in 24 hours. I think a reason of this cause it's a different section. Even when you select the sc2 forum from the top bar you don't get to the news stuff. Hell its only recently i found those recaps/previews exist at all.
Wow, seriously? There are people who visit the sc2 forums instead of the front page? O_o
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Ahh one year ago I might have considered applying, but now my interest in starcraft is pretty much gone. Gl to all applicants
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Woot! I just finished my application and it is sent. Man, I think I put 3 or 4 hours into that little thing hahaha. So excited! Hope you consider me
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
On January 09 2013 20:48 coMbs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 19:37 Golden Ghost wrote:On January 09 2013 18:33 bLueSkY) wrote:On January 09 2013 18:20 True_Spike wrote:On January 09 2013 18:09 Atoissen wrote:On January 09 2013 15:32 spalding wrote: Seems absolutely ridiculous not to pay people for something that requires so much work and will get you money too. I dont think TL is trying to reach out to proffssional writers who wants to get paid, they are reaching out to those who like writing, likes esports, and want a cool "hobby" on the side, wich is helping out a great site and a great community with writing articles etc. If you want pay, you go somewhere els, simple as that  The thing is TL.net is a business venture, not an amateur site run by fans, at least no more. This is the only reason I even brought the topic up, I view TL now as a business. Given the comment earlier in the thread though I may be ignorant towards the profit side of things. I think most of you are severly overestimating the profit of the website. There is only 1 banner with an ad on the site so that doesn´t make a lot of money for them. And a lot of people use adblock so the site doesn´t get anything from them at all. The only other source of income is the margin between cost and sellprice of the articles in the store (assuming this goes to the site and not the team). The costs on the otherside are: - Access for the writers to leagues - Servercost - Fulltime admin staff (and they work really long days) - Miscelanious and things I can´t think of right now So in they end there just isn´t any money to pay the other people that volunteer on the site. There are about 250 people involved in the writing/translating/graphics/moderating etc. and no way to pay them all. If they end up with a little extra cash, most of the time, they also invest it back into the community through something like a tournament with prizemoney. Perhaps when the revenue increases a bit more the senior members of the different volunteerteams can get some income but it will be a long way of before all volunteers can get a monetary compensation. ---- To bad I don´t have the insight for the stories etc. they are asking for. Lately I found I watch most streams while doing other responsibilities so I don´t really pick up on the details  I'm sure they make quite a bit from that single ad, this site has a lot of pageviews. Another revenue stream, the TL store (which has sold out of thousands of t-shirts and other items), has to bring in a decent amount of money. Not to mention miscellaneous things such as the documentary they released "Liquid Rising" which had over $50,000 donated to it. I am not claiming to know the finances of Team Liquid however I think people are severely underestimating it's profitability.
I think you're severely, severely over-estimating it.
Btw, I've been a volunteer here now for about 7-8ish years or so and have never received a dime, nor would I want to.
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how come no d2 writers? D:
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Why are people even arguing about the pay; don't apply if it puts you off.. A better question would be: How much emphasis do you place on one's moderation history?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 09 2013 21:18 PORKMee wrote: how come no d2 writers? D:
not d2jsp
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