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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
January 09 2013 07:24 GMT
#41
On January 09 2013 16:16 TBone- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 16:11 i99 wrote:
its incredibly scummy for a website like TL which is a starcraft team + #1 starcraft site that makes a lot of money based on the great content that is available to not pay for its writers.


Though I would like to hear the reasons why such a demanding position comes without pay.


Because there are enough people who are willing to do it for free for esports and e-fame. I've long said TL is brilliant for having a site run mostly by volunteers, while a few of them make all the money is genius. Until people stop lining up to work for them for free, they will continue to just call for volunteers. It's as simple as that.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 09 2013 07:25 GMT
#42
Most writers on the TL staff don't seem to be regular writers other than Wax and Fionn (though I imagine there might be more incentive to write regularly if there were payment involved, but that's beside the point + I'm pretty sure Wax is paid). If you're morally opposed to TL's position on this, then just don't apply.

Mostly, why pay when you have so many people willing to do it for free? It's like a school newspaper gig. You sure as hell aren't getting paid for it, but you're getting experience, you (presumably) enjoy it, and I guess if it's applicable, you can even put it on your resume if you'd like.
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
January 09 2013 07:27 GMT
#43
Ah if i have the time, i'll apply. Gotta see how the start of thjs semester pans out first...
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
January 09 2013 07:30 GMT
#44
I respect TL writers a lot for all they do, and it would be a honor for anyone to join them.
GL to those applying, I will be applying as well
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PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
January 09 2013 07:31 GMT
#45
Good luck to all that decide to apply! I will hold off since not only am I doing fulltime engineering work which doesn't allow much time to watch tournaments and write on top of that, but the fact I chose engineering over liberal arts goes to show how much I love writing.
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ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
January 09 2013 07:32 GMT
#46
On January 09 2013 16:11 i99 wrote:
its incredibly scummy for a website like TL which is a starcraft team + #1 starcraft site that makes a lot of money based on the great content that is available to not pay for its writers.


My guess is that they use GoogleAds or Google Doubleclick to supplement the site and the community, which isn't much. So unless you want to see expandable banners all over this site or pay for subscriptions, you should not be complaining. This site isn't self-sustaining, and it's pretty plain to see that they're not monetizing their users (you) because they want to keep this as community-based as possible.
Apples8u
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada46 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 07:33:22
January 09 2013 07:32 GMT
#47
The quality of Write-ups that come out of TL truly shows the passion the writers have for the sport. And that they do it for free too.

Though, If I had the time and wasn't in university, I would die to have a volunteer position to write for TL. I wish you good luck and good submissions.
We are but shadows and dust.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 07:40:27
January 09 2013 07:35 GMT
#48
Guys... It's obvious that Teamliquid.net, the website itself is being ran at a net loss ON PURPOSE since it provides free advertising and positive community image, it's been said time and time again that TL's poker site and the actual professional team's earnings help pay for the actual network maintenance costs. The majority of mods and admins (and basically every contributor) themselves either did not get paid at one point or are still working on the site with out getting a fixed salary even today, they aren't doing it for the money, they are doing it because they care about the subject matter. Please don't turn this thread into a brain dead "HOW MUCH MONEY DO I GET" thread.

Edit: question: Do you have to do graphic design as well? Since with out that your write up would look alot worse even though I would like to apply on the basis of just writing. Thanks.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
January 09 2013 07:35 GMT
#49
On January 09 2013 16:25 babylon wrote:
Most writers on the TL staff don't seem to be regular writers other than Wax and Fionn (though I imagine there might be more incentive to write regularly if there were payment involved, but that's beside the point + I'm pretty sure Wax is paid). If you're morally opposed to TL's position on this, then just don't apply.

Mostly, why pay when you have so many people willing to do it for free? It's like a school newspaper gig. You sure as hell aren't getting paid for it, but you're getting experience, you (presumably) enjoy it, and I guess if it's applicable, you can even put it on your resume if you'd like.

For sc2 it is mostly wax,fionn,stuchio, and monk. Porcelina is taking a break or something iirc. Pokebunny writes from time to time. In dota 2, me and about 6-7 guys are full time. We put out a ton of content as well.
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Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
January 09 2013 07:37 GMT
#50
On January 09 2013 16:18 Cyx. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 16:16 TBone- wrote:
On January 09 2013 16:11 i99 wrote:
its incredibly scummy for a website like TL which is a starcraft team + #1 starcraft site that makes a lot of money based on the great content that is available to not pay for its writers.


Thats quite the assumption, no one but TL knows its financial state. Though I would like to hear the reasons why such a demanding position comes without pay.


Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 16:15 Waxangel wrote:
On January 09 2013 16:11 i99 wrote:
its incredibly scummy for a website like TL which is a starcraft team + #1 starcraft site that makes a lot of money based on the great content that is available to not pay for its writers.


yah, about that...


Somehow, I don't think TL makes a lot of money.


I heard they used to pay Ret's cigarets with TL's revenue and then he had to quit because SC2 is dieing
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 09 2013 07:43 GMT
#51
Seems like a fair number of people are confusing TL the site and TL the team in their minds. They're associated obviously, but completely separate financial entities as far as i'm aware. Teamliquid.net generates a little money from ad revenue, but the ads have always been pretty low key, while the overheads for the site must be pretty sizable (full time staff, server costs and all the costs associated with maintaining TLHQ).

As somebody who has taken the time to write for TL in the past, I can heartily endorse teamliquid's management and the writing team in particular. Writing my TLFE took months, from writing my first draft through the development and editing before final publication. In my dealings with the writing team, I found them to be the most talented and professional group of people I've ever worked with. I didn't get paid for it and ultimately it's just some article that's buried in the depths of some online forum, but all the same completing 'On Waxen Wings' remains one of the most rewarding things i've accomplished.

Working all hours, I don't have the time to apply myself. That said, I can highly recommend this for anybody with a bit of spare time, a passion for SC2 and a love of writing.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
iKill
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Denmark861 Posts
January 09 2013 07:43 GMT
#52
As someone who is currently writing for another site, this is incredibly hard to pass up
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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
January 09 2013 07:45 GMT
#53
as a creative professional, i'm a little saddened that the positions are unpaid, but i understand and respect the reasons why.

best of luck to the all the applicants, i look forward to reading your tournament previews and recaps and storylines in the future.
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SamanthaRain
Profile Joined January 2013
United States37 Posts
January 09 2013 07:46 GMT
#54
Pretty ridiculous how all that top of the line writers get is a neat icon and a pat on the back for hundreds of hours of work. Sure, call me crazy but I believe any person that is truly skilled, works hard, and especially has a passion for their work, he/she should get paid for their work. This isn't a small site that's low on funds and just starting out.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
January 09 2013 07:50 GMT
#55
Wow I really want to do this but I'm probably not up to the task :[

Want to try anyway though. Always wanted to contribute to TL on a major level somehow >_<
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
January 09 2013 07:56 GMT
#56
Good luck to everyone who apply's

Also didn't everyone who makes any money from TL start off as a volunteer, If they were going to offer anyone a paid position I'm sure its someone who has already proved how skilled/dedicated they are ^_^

Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 09 2013 07:56 GMT
#57
I wish this was during spring/summer, I've got too much on my plate to try hard enough right now
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
January 09 2013 07:58 GMT
#58
On January 09 2013 16:35 Caihead wrote:
Guys... It's obvious that Teamliquid.net, the website itself is being ran at a net loss ON PURPOSE since it provides free advertising and positive community image, it's been said time and time again that TL's poker site and the actual professional team's earnings help pay for the actual network maintenance costs. The majority of mods and admins (and basically every contributor) themselves either did not get paid at one point or are still working on the site with out getting a fixed salary even today, they aren't doing it for the money, they are doing it because they care about the subject matter. Please don't turn this thread into a brain dead "HOW MUCH MONEY DO I GET" thread.

Edit: question: Do you have to do graphic design as well? Since with out that your write up would look alot worse even though I would like to apply on the basis of just writing. Thanks.


Being able to do graphics is a plus since you can put the whole thing together to your liking (with the editors' approval in the end). It isn't required though since the graphics guys are on a separate team and they help out with all sorts of articles.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
January 09 2013 08:04 GMT
#59
On January 09 2013 16:58 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2013 16:35 Caihead wrote:
Guys... It's obvious that Teamliquid.net, the website itself is being ran at a net loss ON PURPOSE since it provides free advertising and positive community image, it's been said time and time again that TL's poker site and the actual professional team's earnings help pay for the actual network maintenance costs. The majority of mods and admins (and basically every contributor) themselves either did not get paid at one point or are still working on the site with out getting a fixed salary even today, they aren't doing it for the money, they are doing it because they care about the subject matter. Please don't turn this thread into a brain dead "HOW MUCH MONEY DO I GET" thread.

Edit: question: Do you have to do graphic design as well? Since with out that your write up would look alot worse even though I would like to apply on the basis of just writing. Thanks.


Being able to do graphics is a plus since you can put the whole thing together to your liking (with the editors' approval in the end). It isn't required though since the graphics guys are on a separate team and they help out with all sorts of articles.

Yeah, no graphic experience is necessary. Some writers with more experience like myself get to work with the html/css in posts though, and we can format our articles how we want. Then just insert the graphics into the css,etc.
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
January 09 2013 08:09 GMT
#60
Why are you not recruiting more DOTA2 writers?
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