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On February 17 2018 07:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:15 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:07 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:05 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:55 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 06:51 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 17 2018 06:26 Introvert wrote:
It just occurred to me how amusing it is that Mitt "Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe" Romney announces another run for office on the same day we find out concrete details about Russian meddling LOL. And to think he was mocked by the president! #Romneywasright #Romney2012
edit: sorry I had to indulge just a little. It's justified indulgence. Romney was totally right. Man I wish it was him right now. It really is a shame Obama won that one. We would be a third of the way through Romney's second term right now. because we're doing so well right now with a republican in office right? Well it's either that or just assuming that if someone had a choice quote that made them look prescient that it means they are instantly better than the alternative that didn't make sense in the moment but through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses looks like a great idea. But we know you have reason to dislike him for that quote, LL. So really you're doing your usual thing of trying to muddy the water to come out with "aha! See I told you Russia didn't directly work with the president to undermine our democracy! They just happened to coincidentally do it while also not being involved!" That's more projection than reality because that's not at all how I interpret things. I don't dislike Romney at all - and seriously, how many US politicians are there who don't say something hostile with respect to Russia sooner or later? I didn't vote for him because I didn't think he was a better choice than Obama, but he did seem like a reasonable Republican at the time. In context, though - I remember how hilariously fucked up his FP tour was. He managed to piss off London, cause a stir in Israel, then went to pole land and also had random shit go down there. But hey - if you want Romney as president, then why didn't you vote for him back then? Is it because you actually did and Obama was just a mistake to you? Or is it because some quote looks really clever in hindsight and the circumstances that led to Trump are something you wish didn't occur? Indeed, your commentary seems quite a bit more like putting words in my mouth than anything I actually said. Nah romney was pretty awful and Obama was decent. I would take romney over trump any day though, but I would also take a literal bag of cow shit over trump. I do think romney was one of the last pseudo-reasonable republicans, in that he was just bad but not an absolute stain on humanity level bad like trump and every republican currently serving. Ok, cool. Trump is a pretty gutter-tier president, I'm sure no one would really object to that characterization (even his supporters are disappointed at best). Makes you really wish that people listened to Romney in 2012 so he'd be in charge right now though, huh? He was right about Russia and about Israel and about all those other things (as shown by a few choice quotes that were ridiculed pretty hard, but perhaps overly so), and that makes you think that not listening to him back then was a mistake. I mean, bitch please. Introvert seems like he would have at least actually voted for the guy. If you didn't and you wouldn't have, saying "I wish it were Romney right now" is really rich.
No, I don't wish Romney had been in charge since 2012 because then this cancer would still be festering inside the US rather then it exposing itself in support of Trump.
Plus I don't wish 4 more years of Republican rule on anyone.
Also to solely focus on Romney as 'the voice of reason' is hilarious considering the multitude of voices who opposed Russia since forever.
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On February 17 2018 07:40 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 07:31 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:15 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:07 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:05 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:55 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 06:51 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 17 2018 06:26 Introvert wrote:
It just occurred to me how amusing it is that Mitt "Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe" Romney announces another run for office on the same day we find out concrete details about Russian meddling LOL. And to think he was mocked by the president! #Romneywasright #Romney2012
edit: sorry I had to indulge just a little. It's justified indulgence. Romney was totally right. Man I wish it was him right now. It really is a shame Obama won that one. We would be a third of the way through Romney's second term right now. because we're doing so well right now with a republican in office right? Well it's either that or just assuming that if someone had a choice quote that made them look prescient that it means they are instantly better than the alternative that didn't make sense in the moment but through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses looks like a great idea. But we know you have reason to dislike him for that quote, LL. So really you're doing your usual thing of trying to muddy the water to come out with "aha! See I told you Russia didn't directly work with the president to undermine our democracy! They just happened to coincidentally do it while also not being involved!" That's more projection than reality because that's not at all how I interpret things. I don't dislike Romney at all - and seriously, how many US politicians are there who don't say something hostile with respect to Russia sooner or later? I didn't vote for him because I didn't think he was a better choice than Obama, but he did seem like a reasonable Republican at the time. In context, though - I remember how hilariously fucked up his FP tour was. He managed to piss off London, cause a stir in Israel, then went to pole land and also had random shit go down there. But hey - if you want Romney as president, then why didn't you vote for him back then? Is it because you actually did and Obama was just a mistake to you? Or is it because some quote looks really clever in hindsight and the circumstances that led to Trump are something you wish didn't occur? Indeed, your commentary seems quite a bit more like putting words in my mouth than anything I actually said. Nah romney was pretty awful and Obama was decent. I would take romney over trump any day though, but I would also take a literal bag of cow shit over trump. I do think romney was one of the last pseudo-reasonable republicans, in that he was just bad but not an absolute stain on humanity level bad like trump and every republican currently serving. Ok, cool. Trump is a pretty gutter-tier president, I'm sure no one would really object to that characterization (even his supporters are disappointed at best). Makes you really wish that people listened to Romney in 2012 so he'd be in charge right now though, huh? He was right about Russia and about Israel and about all those other things (as shown by a few choice quotes that were ridiculed pretty hard, but perhaps overly so), and that makes you think that not listening to him back then was a mistake. I mean, bitch please. Introvert seems like he would have at least actually voted for the guy. If you didn't and you wouldn't have, saying "I wish it were Romney right now" is really rich. No, I don't wish Romney had been in charge since 2012 because then this cancer would still be festering inside the US rather then it exposing itself in support of Trump. Plus I don't wish 4 more years of Republican rule on anyone. Also to solely focus on Romney as 'the voice of reason' is hilarious considering the multitude of voices who opposed Russia since forever.
See, now there’s a more cognitively consistent thought on the matter.
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On February 17 2018 06:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:Maybe it's just typical Greenwald talking points, but some skepticism to temper the enthusiasm is nice I guess? Though this is a fairly extraordinary speed the probe is taking according to Five-Thirty-Eight, Show nested quote +Our analysis of special counsel probes in the modern era, starting in 1979, puts Mueller’s investigation in select company for producing criminal charges at all — a majority of the investigations over the past four decades ended without charges being filed against anyone.
If this notion catches steam it'll be used to suggest that the whole thing is a DEEP STATE op run by KILLARY.
"How could this, a very important and serious investigation, move so swiftly? Maybe they had already decided what they were going to find from the start?"
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On February 17 2018 07:45 Dromar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 06:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/964615346983489536Maybe it's just typical Greenwald talking points, but some skepticism to temper the enthusiasm is nice I guess? Though this is a fairly extraordinary speed the probe is taking according to Five-Thirty-Eight, Our analysis of special counsel probes in the modern era, starting in 1979, puts Mueller’s investigation in select company for producing criminal charges at all — a majority of the investigations over the past four decades ended without charges being filed against anyone. If this notion catches steam it'll be used to suggest that the whole thing is a DEEP STATE op run by KILLARY. "How could this, a very important and serious investigation, move so swiftly? Maybe they had already decided what they were going to find from the start?"
No point trying to appeal to those people, they will never accept anything that does not match their view.
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On February 17 2018 07:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:15 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:07 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:05 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:55 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 06:51 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 17 2018 06:26 Introvert wrote:
It just occurred to me how amusing it is that Mitt "Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe" Romney announces another run for office on the same day we find out concrete details about Russian meddling LOL. And to think he was mocked by the president! #Romneywasright #Romney2012
edit: sorry I had to indulge just a little. It's justified indulgence. Romney was totally right. Man I wish it was him right now. It really is a shame Obama won that one. We would be a third of the way through Romney's second term right now. because we're doing so well right now with a republican in office right? Well it's either that or just assuming that if someone had a choice quote that made them look prescient that it means they are instantly better than the alternative that didn't make sense in the moment but through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses looks like a great idea. But we know you have reason to dislike him for that quote, LL. So really you're doing your usual thing of trying to muddy the water to come out with "aha! See I told you Russia didn't directly work with the president to undermine our democracy! They just happened to coincidentally do it while also not being involved!" That's more projection than reality because that's not at all how I interpret things. I don't dislike Romney at all - and seriously, how many US politicians are there who don't say something hostile with respect to Russia sooner or later? I didn't vote for him because I didn't think he was a better choice than Obama, but he did seem like a reasonable Republican at the time. In context, though - I remember how hilariously fucked up his FP tour was. He managed to piss off London, cause a stir in Israel, then went to pole land and also had random shit go down there. But hey - if you want Romney as president, then why didn't you vote for him back then? Is it because you actually did and Obama was just a mistake to you? Or is it because some quote looks really clever in hindsight and the circumstances that led to Trump are something you wish didn't occur? Indeed, your commentary seems quite a bit more like putting words in my mouth than anything I actually said. Nah romney was pretty awful and Obama was decent. I would take romney over trump any day though, but I would also take a literal bag of cow shit over trump. I do think romney was one of the last pseudo-reasonable republicans, in that he was just bad but not an absolute stain on humanity level bad like trump and every republican currently serving. Ok, cool. Trump is a pretty gutter-tier president, I'm sure no one would really object to that characterization (even his supporters are disappointed at best). Makes you really wish that people listened to Romney in 2012 so he'd be in charge right now though, huh? He was right about Russia and about Israel and about all those other things (as shown by a few choice quotes that were ridiculed pretty hard, but perhaps overly so), and that makes you think that not listening to him back then was a mistake. I mean, bitch please. Introvert seems like he would have at least actually voted for the guy. If you didn't and you wouldn't have, saying "I wish it were Romney right now" is really rich.
Not at all, you just went back in a circle like you usually do when people disagree with you, typical LL fashion. As I said, I in no way wish romney had been president, he was awful. The fact that trump is even worse is unrelated. The fact that he happend to be right about being anti russia is irrelevent. No one except maybe you wishes he was president, although given your rabid pro russia stance, I highly doubt you do unless you think he would be bought out by putin once in office. And as someone else said, we wouldn't now openly see how many people in our country are absolutely dispicable and white supremasists, russian supporters, or just plain rabid republican supporters who can't see the light of reason.
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On February 17 2018 08:06 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 07:31 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:15 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 07:07 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 07:05 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:55 hunts wrote:On February 17 2018 06:51 LegalLord wrote:On February 17 2018 06:46 Mohdoo wrote:On February 17 2018 06:26 Introvert wrote:
It just occurred to me how amusing it is that Mitt "Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe" Romney announces another run for office on the same day we find out concrete details about Russian meddling LOL. And to think he was mocked by the president! #Romneywasright #Romney2012
edit: sorry I had to indulge just a little. It's justified indulgence. Romney was totally right. Man I wish it was him right now. It really is a shame Obama won that one. We would be a third of the way through Romney's second term right now. because we're doing so well right now with a republican in office right? Well it's either that or just assuming that if someone had a choice quote that made them look prescient that it means they are instantly better than the alternative that didn't make sense in the moment but through rose-tinted nostalgia glasses looks like a great idea. But we know you have reason to dislike him for that quote, LL. So really you're doing your usual thing of trying to muddy the water to come out with "aha! See I told you Russia didn't directly work with the president to undermine our democracy! They just happened to coincidentally do it while also not being involved!" That's more projection than reality because that's not at all how I interpret things. I don't dislike Romney at all - and seriously, how many US politicians are there who don't say something hostile with respect to Russia sooner or later? I didn't vote for him because I didn't think he was a better choice than Obama, but he did seem like a reasonable Republican at the time. In context, though - I remember how hilariously fucked up his FP tour was. He managed to piss off London, cause a stir in Israel, then went to pole land and also had random shit go down there. But hey - if you want Romney as president, then why didn't you vote for him back then? Is it because you actually did and Obama was just a mistake to you? Or is it because some quote looks really clever in hindsight and the circumstances that led to Trump are something you wish didn't occur? Indeed, your commentary seems quite a bit more like putting words in my mouth than anything I actually said. Nah romney was pretty awful and Obama was decent. I would take romney over trump any day though, but I would also take a literal bag of cow shit over trump. I do think romney was one of the last pseudo-reasonable republicans, in that he was just bad but not an absolute stain on humanity level bad like trump and every republican currently serving. Ok, cool. Trump is a pretty gutter-tier president, I'm sure no one would really object to that characterization (even his supporters are disappointed at best). Makes you really wish that people listened to Romney in 2012 so he'd be in charge right now though, huh? He was right about Russia and about Israel and about all those other things (as shown by a few choice quotes that were ridiculed pretty hard, but perhaps overly so), and that makes you think that not listening to him back then was a mistake. I mean, bitch please. Introvert seems like he would have at least actually voted for the guy. If you didn't and you wouldn't have, saying "I wish it were Romney right now" is really rich. Not at all, you just went back in a circle like you usually do when people disagree with you, typical LL fashion. As I said, I in no way wish romney had been president, he was awful. The fact that trump is even worse is unrelated. The fact that he happend to be right about being anti russia is irrelevent. No one except maybe you wishes he was president, although given your rabid pro russia stance, I highly doubt you do unless you think he would be bought out by putin once in office. And as someone else said, we wouldn't now openly see how many people in our country are absolutely dispicable and white supremasists, russian supporters, or just plain rabid republican supporters who can't see the light of reason.
Yeah, it seems like this isn’t really going anywhere. You’re mostly repeating canned caricatures of actual positions rather than actually making any specific argument so I’ll bow out and leave it at that.
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On February 17 2018 05:43 Wulfey_LA wrote:Did you see the goalposts get moved there? A year ago we debated if the Russians were even acting. Months ago we were debating whether there was collusion. Then we debated whether it was illegal. Now they are pushing a new line and I expect to be seeing this argument pushed by the usual suspects on here.
But it didn't affect the outcome of the election. FOX is going to be pushing that line hard, since so many people are taking plea deals and there are so many indictments being handed out.
That sounds EXTREMELY familiar. First it was "the DNC isn't rigging the primary", "Sure there was favoritism but it wasn't a coordinated thing", "okay, they worked together to push Bernie out but it wasn't against the rules", "Okay it was against the spirit of the rules but they are just suggestions and It didn't affect the outcome!"
I'm not going to say that Republicans don't tend to follow remarkably crazier patterns in general, but I think some reflection on how this stuff works would do liberals some good.
On February 17 2018 07:13 iamthedave wrote:
Any comments on the Greenwald take on it?
Pretty much what I said as soon as Mueller was made SC. I don't think this is going to end with anything catastrophic for Trump, or anyone involved really. If we imagine Flynn and Manafort as the biggest names most dead to rights caught for the worst stuff to date, they won't spend even an election cycle in prison.
I'll be genuinely surprised if ANYONE gets a sentence longer (and serves it) than the mandatory minimum for an ounce of crack.
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Hey look, that bernieorbust bullshit actually ended up in the indictment. Way to stay on script comrade GH.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
[page 17, more direct source]
To the merits let us contrast:
Trump/Russia: indictments, guilty pleas, an immense electronic record with identified actors, a global level team of lawyers, and a special investigation.
DNC ... whatever: you have the musings of HA Goodman. You still don't have any more evidence than you did last time. Good try tho.
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On February 17 2018 08:48 Wulfey_LA wrote:Hey look, that bernieorbust bullshit actually ended up in the indictment. Way to stay on script comrade GH. https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download[page 17, more direct source] To the merits let us contrast: Trump/Russia: indictments, guilty pleas, an immense electronic record with identified actors, a global level team of lawyers, and a special investigation. DNC ... whatever: you have the musings of HA Goodman. You still don't have any more evidence than you did last time. Good try tho.
Could you pull out the Bernie part? I'm not sure what you're referencing?
You are one of the people that is going to be very disappointed and confused when this all ends.
Without rehashing it, no serious people are still denying what the DNC did. The final refuge of the remotely reasonable was "he would have lost anyway". HA Goodman is a grifting crank.
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I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him.
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On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him.
I think the point is that we'll never know whether or not that's why he lost.
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On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him.
GH became our leftist version of xDaunt/Danglars/LL long ago.
He ain't ever coming back.
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On February 17 2018 08:58 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him. I think the point is that we'll never know whether or not that's why he lost.
He lost by a very large margin, unlike Hillary. To say that Hillary did not lose because of Russia's meddling but because of her being bad, while bernie lost because of DNC meddling, is extremely dishonest or just plain ignorant.
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On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him.
They did rig the primaries, it's categorically foolish to suggest otherwise (note: "rigged" does not mean "fixed"). Just because this is always an issue let me again clarify. Carnival games are "rigged" (people still win though), "fixed" would indicate the outcome is predetermined (beyond what it was at the DNC).
Bernie lost for a lot of reasons, but I can't help but laugh hysterically at the juxtaposition of "Russia really helped Bernie and tricked those idiot supporters" and "Oh but the DNC's interference totally had no affect on the outcome".
It's hard to believe you guys don't see what's happening here, while simultaneously seeing Republicans do it.
On February 17 2018 08:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him. GH became our leftist version of xDaunt/Danglars/LL long ago. He ain't ever coming back.
This is the most pathetic post on the topic. It's devoid of any substance or legitimate critique. I'm 100% positive when pushed to clarify the parallel it won't hold or make sense so you won't even bother to try.
EDIT: Unsurprisingly I foresaw what you guys would say and it's already obvious you don't even know my positions on the relevant topics.
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Russia literally made/paid for pro bernie and anti hillary ads. You can very literally say they helped make some people into never hillary bernie bros, and that not only did those people make bernies numbers look better than he otherwise would've had, but they also helped trump by refusing to vote for hillary, because of the anti hillary and pro bernie ads that russia sponsored. I'm pretty sure you've been told this before and still refused to understand.
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On February 17 2018 09:06 hunts wrote:
Russia literally made/paid for pro bernie and anti hillary ads. You can very literally say they helped make some people into never hillary bernie bros, and that not only did those people make bernies numbers look better than he otherwise would've had, but they also helped trump by refusing to vote for hillary, because of the anti hillary and pro bernie ads that russia sponsored. I'm pretty sure you've been told this before and still refused to understand.
It's so unbelievably stupid that any dumbass facebook/twitter ad turned people into "never hillary bernie bros" I can't believe you're still trying it.
Show me some ads that did what you said, I'm sure the few hundred retweets (probably mostly from their own botnet) were totally not because they posted something people already agreed with and was in no way novel, or significant.
This is so ridiculous it's hard to even try to treat it seriously.
Every leftist movement from environmentalists to racial justice are all just Russian agitprop now and liberals are at the front of the pack cheering this on...
I almost worried Congress might actually do "something" on gun control and find bipartisan agreement on whitening up gun ownership with a modern version of the crime bill.
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To be fair to Romney, he made those remarks before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, back when the military of Russia seemed incompetent and underfunded and was moving towards democratic norms and civil rights. Now of course, that remark seems remarkably prescient.
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On February 17 2018 08:59 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 08:57 hunts wrote:
I see GH still believes the DNC rigged the primaries and that's why russia backed bernie lost, not that people just plain didn't like him. GH became our leftist version of xDaunt/Danglars/LL long ago. He ain't ever coming back.
GH just needs to become an official part of this Russian conspiracy thing rather than support it from the sidelines. He’s already doing the bidding of Putin, after all.
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On February 17 2018 09:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 09:06 hunts wrote:
Russia literally made/paid for pro bernie and anti hillary ads. You can very literally say they helped make some people into never hillary bernie bros, and that not only did those people make bernies numbers look better than he otherwise would've had, but they also helped trump by refusing to vote for hillary, because of the anti hillary and pro bernie ads that russia sponsored. I'm pretty sure you've been told this before and still refused to understand. It's so unbelievably stupid that any dumbass facebook/twitter ad turned people into "never hillary bernie bros" I can't believe you're still trying it. Show me some ads that did what you said, I'm sure the few hundred retweets (probably mostly from their own botnet) were totally not because they posted something people already agreed with and was in no way novel, or significant. This is so ridiculous it's hard to even try to treat it seriously. Every leftist movement from environmentalists to racial justice are all just Russian agitprop now and liberals are at the front of the pack cheering this on... I almost worried Congress might actually do "something" on gun control and find bipartisan agreement on whitening up gun ownership with a modern version of the crime bill.
It's not ridiculous. It's just the exact same mechanisms advertising agencies use to condition people. The psychology of spamming certain images/ideas/phrases is well understood and is exactly what was/is being done.
No one is saying the entire left movement is from Russia. People *are* saying Russia's various methods of spamming achieved a significant number of views and that the psychology associated with this type of ad campaign is used in a lot of non-political situations.
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On February 17 2018 09:21 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2018 09:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 17 2018 09:06 hunts wrote:
Russia literally made/paid for pro bernie and anti hillary ads. You can very literally say they helped make some people into never hillary bernie bros, and that not only did those people make bernies numbers look better than he otherwise would've had, but they also helped trump by refusing to vote for hillary, because of the anti hillary and pro bernie ads that russia sponsored. I'm pretty sure you've been told this before and still refused to understand. It's so unbelievably stupid that any dumbass facebook/twitter ad turned people into "never hillary bernie bros" I can't believe you're still trying it. Show me some ads that did what you said, I'm sure the few hundred retweets (probably mostly from their own botnet) were totally not because they posted something people already agreed with and was in no way novel, or significant. This is so ridiculous it's hard to even try to treat it seriously. Every leftist movement from environmentalists to racial justice are all just Russian agitprop now and liberals are at the front of the pack cheering this on... I almost worried Congress might actually do "something" on gun control and find bipartisan agreement on whitening up gun ownership with a modern version of the crime bill. It's not ridiculous. It's just the exact same mechanisms advertising agencies use to condition people. The psychology of spamming certain images/ideas/phrases is well understood and is exactly what was/is being done. No one is saying the entire left movement is from Russia. People *are* saying Russia's various methods of spamming achieved a significant number of views and that the psychology associated with this type of ad campaign is used in a lot of non-political situations.
He was definitely pushing it farther than some and it is ridiculous.
It wasn't even a significant number of views though. That's one of several aspects of this that seems to not really solidify in people's minds.
For instance, the overwhelming number of tweets about the DNC leak were from real people and yet twitter intentionally censored them, same with facebook, and CNN told everyone it was a crime to read them.
You guys will give some random shitty russian ads so much credit but ignore lying headlines like "Thousands attend protest organized by Russia on facebook" or CNN telling people not to read the leaks because it's illegal, and so on.
You point out rightly how advertising works, you and others seem to be completely oblivious to how it's being used on you in this instance.
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