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On December 23 2017 05:31 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 02:39 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 01:30 Excludos wrote:On December 22 2017 12:14 GoTuNk! wrote:On December 22 2017 11:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So who cares if they can pay it? What can be more inmoral than the government showing up to loot the grave of the diseased? That tax should be completely deleted. So you're completely in favor of the rich getting richer while the poor gets poorer? Especially if it's the rich guy's kids who haven't done a bit to earn it? It's "looting the grave" because people want them to pour a little bit of it back to the community? Come on It's kinda sad how little we've progressed since the time of the Pharaohs who enslaved nations to build vast structures for them to haunt in eternity. Even the dead have property rights, apparently. All of a sudden I'm feeling very sympathetic towards grave robbers. Felt compelled to point this out. The largest pyramid, built for the Pharaoh Khufu around 2530 B.C. and intended to last an eternity, was until early in the twentieth century the biggest building on the planet...
The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille's The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh's overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard's Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves. SourceThey weren't Jewish either. There's no archaeological evidence for the event at the core of Passover and even plenty of Jews recognize it's a fictional story. ( Don't tell xDaunt) I knew this, but I was hoping nobody would be pedantic enough to point it out.
Pssshh, you knew or ought to have known better, especially in this thread of all places 
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On December 23 2017 05:31 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 02:39 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 01:30 Excludos wrote:On December 22 2017 12:14 GoTuNk! wrote:So who cares if they can pay it? What can be more inmoral than the government showing up to loot the grave of the diseased? That tax should be completely deleted. So you're completely in favor of the rich getting richer while the poor gets poorer? Especially if it's the rich guy's kids who haven't done a bit to earn it? It's "looting the grave" because people want them to pour a little bit of it back to the community? Come on It's kinda sad how little we've progressed since the time of the Pharaohs who enslaved nations to build vast structures for them to haunt in eternity. Even the dead have property rights, apparently. All of a sudden I'm feeling very sympathetic towards grave robbers. Felt compelled to point this out. The largest pyramid, built for the Pharaoh Khufu around 2530 B.C. and intended to last an eternity, was until early in the twentieth century the biggest building on the planet...
The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille's The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh's overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard's Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves. SourceThey weren't Jewish either. There's no archaeological evidence for the event at the core of Passover and even plenty of Jews recognize it's a fictional story. ( Don't tell xDaunt) I knew this, but I was hoping nobody would be pedantic enough to point it out.
If people like xDaunt weren't saying with 100% sincerity I wouldn't have felt the need, but I grew concerned when not as many people confirmed they already knew it when he brought it up.
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On December 23 2017 05:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 05:31 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 02:39 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 01:30 Excludos wrote:On December 22 2017 12:14 GoTuNk! wrote:So who cares if they can pay it? What can be more inmoral than the government showing up to loot the grave of the diseased? That tax should be completely deleted. So you're completely in favor of the rich getting richer while the poor gets poorer? Especially if it's the rich guy's kids who haven't done a bit to earn it? It's "looting the grave" because people want them to pour a little bit of it back to the community? Come on It's kinda sad how little we've progressed since the time of the Pharaohs who enslaved nations to build vast structures for them to haunt in eternity. Even the dead have property rights, apparently. All of a sudden I'm feeling very sympathetic towards grave robbers. Felt compelled to point this out. The largest pyramid, built for the Pharaoh Khufu around 2530 B.C. and intended to last an eternity, was until early in the twentieth century the biggest building on the planet...
The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille's The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh's overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard's Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves. SourceThey weren't Jewish either. There's no archaeological evidence for the event at the core of Passover and even plenty of Jews recognize it's a fictional story. ( Don't tell xDaunt) I knew this, but I was hoping nobody would be pedantic enough to point it out. If people like xDaunt weren't saying with 100% sincerity I wouldn't have felt the need, but I grew concerned when not as many people confirmed they already knew it when he brought it up.
There is an Agatha Christie novel (Death on the Nile iirc) where a demented communist goes on and on about how pyramids are degenerate monuments to slavery, and the sensible characters all rebuke him and instruct him to marvel at their wonder and beauty. That's where I picked it up, but I've always felt ambivalent about it. Churches are equally opulent, but at least they serve the community as houses of worship, whereas pyramids are destined to immortalize and insulate a particular emperor, as far as I know.
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What has pyramids to do with anything? I guess we could blame Josephus for that error (he got less accurate the further back he went). It is a popular misconception, similar to the modern popular belief that people of Columbus' day thought the earth was flat. But Hebrews not building pyramids seems a pretty irrelevant claim to counter as I'm not sure how it was a necessary argument to anything that was said.
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There's something to be said for what has happened to the historiography of Ancient Egypt and how these sorts of "uh oh, it's not quite like we thought it was" changes in course happen all the time when particular epochs or events are viewed through unorthodox perspectives or alongside newly discovered evidence that manages to flip things in the span of 15 feet of hieroglyphics. Naturally, this instability can also give rise to exploitation a la historical revisionism that only pretends to arrive at a viable take while actually standing on polemic justification in place of legitimate inquiry; nonetheless, we should still be careful, yet diligent in trying to draw points out of historical reference when we know how thin the ice can be.
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On December 23 2017 05:43 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 05:31 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 02:39 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 01:30 Excludos wrote:On December 22 2017 12:14 GoTuNk! wrote:So who cares if they can pay it? What can be more inmoral than the government showing up to loot the grave of the diseased? That tax should be completely deleted. So you're completely in favor of the rich getting richer while the poor gets poorer? Especially if it's the rich guy's kids who haven't done a bit to earn it? It's "looting the grave" because people want them to pour a little bit of it back to the community? Come on It's kinda sad how little we've progressed since the time of the Pharaohs who enslaved nations to build vast structures for them to haunt in eternity. Even the dead have property rights, apparently. All of a sudden I'm feeling very sympathetic towards grave robbers. Felt compelled to point this out. The largest pyramid, built for the Pharaoh Khufu around 2530 B.C. and intended to last an eternity, was until early in the twentieth century the biggest building on the planet...
The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille's The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh's overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard's Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves. SourceThey weren't Jewish either. There's no archaeological evidence for the event at the core of Passover and even plenty of Jews recognize it's a fictional story. ( Don't tell xDaunt) I knew this, but I was hoping nobody would be pedantic enough to point it out. If people like xDaunt weren't saying with 100% sincerity I wouldn't have felt the need, but I grew concerned when not as many people confirmed they already knew it when he brought it up.
Why don’t you take the time to accurately restate my posts instead continuing on with this bullshit charade? I made it very clear that I don’t know who built the pyramids, but that Ancient Egypt used slave labor. It doesn’t take a genius to see that there is nothing inconsistent or even wrong about what I said.
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On December 23 2017 07:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 05:43 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 05:31 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 03:24 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 23 2017 02:39 Grumbels wrote:On December 23 2017 01:30 Excludos wrote:On December 22 2017 12:14 GoTuNk! wrote:So who cares if they can pay it? What can be more inmoral than the government showing up to loot the grave of the diseased? That tax should be completely deleted. So you're completely in favor of the rich getting richer while the poor gets poorer? Especially if it's the rich guy's kids who haven't done a bit to earn it? It's "looting the grave" because people want them to pour a little bit of it back to the community? Come on It's kinda sad how little we've progressed since the time of the Pharaohs who enslaved nations to build vast structures for them to haunt in eternity. Even the dead have property rights, apparently. All of a sudden I'm feeling very sympathetic towards grave robbers. Felt compelled to point this out. The largest pyramid, built for the Pharaoh Khufu around 2530 B.C. and intended to last an eternity, was until early in the twentieth century the biggest building on the planet...
The question of who labored to build them, and why, has long been part of their fascination. Rooted firmly in the popular imagination is the idea that the pyramids were built by slaves serving a merciless pharaoh. This notion of a vast slave class in Egypt originated in Judeo-Christian tradition and has been popularized by Hollywood productions like Cecil B. De Mille's The Ten Commandments, in which a captive people labor in the scorching sun beneath the whips of pharaoh's overseers. But graffiti from inside the Giza monuments themselves have long suggested something very different.
Now, drawing on diverse strands of evidence, from geological history to analysis of living arrangements, bread-making technology, and animal remains, Egyptologist Mark Lehner, an associate of Harvard's Semitic Museum, is beginning to fashion an answer. He has found the city of the pyramid builders. They were not slaves. SourceThey weren't Jewish either. There's no archaeological evidence for the event at the core of Passover and even plenty of Jews recognize it's a fictional story. ( Don't tell xDaunt) I knew this, but I was hoping nobody would be pedantic enough to point it out. If people like xDaunt weren't saying with 100% sincerity I wouldn't have felt the need, but I grew concerned when not as many people confirmed they already knew it when he brought it up. Why don’t you take the time to accurately restate my posts instead continuing on with this bullshit charade? I made it very clear that I don’t know who built the pyramids, but that Ancient Egypt used slave labor. It doesn’t take a genius to see that there is nothing inconsistent or even wrong about what I said.
Nothing wrong with what you said. But what was being inferred or extrapolated from your post could lead some to believe that slave labor was used to build the pyramids, etc.
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On December 23 2017 07:48 farvacola wrote:
There's something to be said for what has happened to the historiography of Ancient Egypt and how these sorts of "uh oh, it's not quite like we thought it was" changes in course happen all the time when particular epochs or events are viewed through unorthodox perspectives or alongside newly discovered evidence that manages to flip things in the span of 15 feet of hieroglyphics. Naturally, this instability can also give rise to exploitation a la historical revisionism that only pretends to arrive at a viable take while actually standing on polemic justification in place of legitimate inquiry; nonetheless, we should still be careful, yet diligent in trying to draw points out of historical reference when we know how thin the ice can be.
who knows moses may still yet be re-discovered
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A Marine huh. Barely made it out of boot camp. POS giving us a bad name.
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SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials have stopped a man who reportedly stated that "Christmas was the perfect day" for a terror attack in San Francisco and "did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die."
We've learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson from Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.
The suspect was just in the Bay Area Sunday night, attending the Raiders - Cowboys game with his father.
According to the FBI, the public was never in any imminent danger from Jameson, despite the suspect's desire to conduct the attack on Christmas Day.
Step one is to reiterate that it has nothing to do with Islam. Step two is to wring our hands about possible backlash about Muslims (or empowerment of such degenerates as Trump). How am I doing?
We didn't even manage two weeks since the NY Subway bomber.
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one guy did a failed plot, big deal. I'm more concerned with the hundreds of murders in the last two weeks.
I'm also more concerned with actually winning than you are, you just wanna beat your chest and feel tough.
you're doin gyour usual disingenuous stuff, so par for the course.
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On December 23 2017 09:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials have stopped a man who reportedly stated that "Christmas was the perfect day" for a terror attack in San Francisco and "did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die."
We've learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson from Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.
The suspect was just in the Bay Area Sunday night, attending the Raiders - Cowboys game with his father.
According to the FBI, the public was never in any imminent danger from Jameson, despite the suspect's desire to conduct the attack on Christmas Day. https://twitter.com/MelanieWoodrow/status/944289244364681216Step one is to reiterate that it has nothing to do with Islam. Step two is to wring our hands about possible backlash about Muslims (or empowerment of such degenerates as Trump). How am I doing? We didn't even manage two weeks since the NY Subway bomber.
So I did this thing called googling. The "Al Quds" mentioned is the Arabic name for Jerusalem. Soooo yeah. That's a thing.
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On December 23 2017 09:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials have stopped a man who reportedly stated that "Christmas was the perfect day" for a terror attack in San Francisco and "did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die."
We've learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson from Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.
The suspect was just in the Bay Area Sunday night, attending the Raiders - Cowboys game with his father.
According to the FBI, the public was never in any imminent danger from Jameson, despite the suspect's desire to conduct the attack on Christmas Day. https://twitter.com/MelanieWoodrow/status/944289244364681216Step one is to reiterate that it has nothing to do with Islam. Step two is to wring our hands about possible backlash about Muslims (or empowerment of such degenerates as Trump). How am I doing? We didn't even manage two weeks since the NY Subway bomber.
If you think Islam has to own this then Christianity gets to have the weight of the bloody world on its shoulders. No-one would do afore-mentioned hand-wringing were it not for the fact that Muslims are mistrusted and discriminated against as a result of the media response to these events.
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On December 23 2017 09:56 zlefin wrote:
one guy did a failed plot, big deal. I'm more concerned with the hundreds of murders in the last two weeks.
I'm also more concerned with actually winning than you are, you just wanna beat your chest and feel tough.
you're doin gyour usual disingenuous stuff, so par for the course.
I wasn’t cynical enough to presume step three applied in this case, but there you have it. Compare to unrelated killings. Optionally include accidental deaths like from bathtubs. So formulaic.
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On December 23 2017 10:09 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 09:45 Danglars wrote:SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials have stopped a man who reportedly stated that "Christmas was the perfect day" for a terror attack in San Francisco and "did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die."
We've learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson from Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.
The suspect was just in the Bay Area Sunday night, attending the Raiders - Cowboys game with his father.
According to the FBI, the public was never in any imminent danger from Jameson, despite the suspect's desire to conduct the attack on Christmas Day. https://twitter.com/MelanieWoodrow/status/944289244364681216Step one is to reiterate that it has nothing to do with Islam. Step two is to wring our hands about possible backlash about Muslims (or empowerment of such degenerates as Trump). How am I doing? We didn't even manage two weeks since the NY Subway bomber. If you think Islam has to own this then Christianity gets to have the weight of the bloody world on its shoulders. No-one would do afore-mentioned hand-wringing were it not for the fact that Muslims are mistrusted and discriminated against as a result of the media response to these events.
I must’ve missed those radical Pentecostals planning a terror attack on the start of Ramadan, or radicalized Jews a while back committing terror because of the embassy’s location in Tel Aviv. Links, please. I’ve just missed the trendline of the other religions whose believers radicalize and commit acts of terror on American soil.
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Democrats who voted on a spending bill this week to keep the federal government open are facing backlash from their party for not demanding a permanent solution for thousands of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.
Immigration advocates in and out of Congress are railing against those who voted for the stopgap spending bill Thursday despite promises from Democratic leaders that they would force action on the issue by the end of the year. Even before the Senate vote, a group of House Democrats burst into the office of Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the Senate minority leader, demanding an explanation. Protesters shouting “Shame on Kaine!” briefly occupied the office of Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who said he voted for the measure to prevent a partial government shutdown and protect federal employees.
“Every single Democrat who voted for the continuing resolution just voted to deport ‘dreamers’ and leave kids without access to health insurance,” said Murshed Zaheed, the political director of the California-based progressive group CREDO Action. “Quite frankly, it’s a pathetic way for the Democratic Party’s leadership to close out a year in which millions of Americans fought back and resisted the Trump regime’s racist, xenophobic and dangerous agenda.”
The internal party drama is sure to increase the pressure on Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to pass the Dream Act in January, when the latest stopgap spending bill is set to expire. It also threatens the party’s unity — and perhaps divisive primary challenges — at a time when Democrats are looking ahead to the 2018 midterms with new optimism that they have a chance to take control of both chambers.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) appears to have anticipated the backlash. Feinstein, who is up for election next year in the state with the largest population of “dreamers,” surprised activists earlier this week when she said she would vote for the spending bill rather than risk a shutdown over immigration. But Feinstein switched her vote at the last minute.
A new poll, and pressure from activists, may have played a role in her thinking. On Wednesday, the University of California at Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies released a survey showing her leading by 14 points in a race against Kevin de León, the Democratic leader in the California Senate. De León, who has been in the race for two months, was among the loudest voices demanding that Feinstein oppose the stopgap bill.
“I’ve talked with them, I’ve met with them, I understand their plight and it breaks my heart,” Feinstein said in a statement. “To allow these young people to suffer is tragic.”
The push for immigration legislation erupted in September, after President Trump vowed to end a program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which was instituted by former president Barack Obama via executive action and allowed some immigrants brought into the country as children to stay legally.
At the time, Pelosi and Schumer pledged to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and advocates have kept the pressure up to ensure they do. This week, no Democrat who voted to fund the government was spared — and emotions ran high as a result.
Second half at WP
Not going to lie about enjoying this a little bit, at least till all these illegal immigration activists end up in Congress. Maybe some of them can lose winnable races instead.
Also this bit from later in the article:
“Dreamers make up hundreds of thousands of Sen. Feinstein’s constituents, and while talking a good game on Dreamers, when it comes to standing up and supporting them, she is AWOL,” [Kevin] de León said at a Wednesday morning news conference, before Feinstein changed her position. “Don’t come back to California if you haven’t demonstrated your leadership and your courage to stand up for these young men and women.”
This guy is insane. Non-citizens aren't her "constituents." Don't make me vote for Feinstein because if this guy gets close I might have to. I don't think it will be close, but who knows.
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On December 23 2017 11:24 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +Democrats who voted on a spending bill this week to keep the federal government open are facing backlash from their party for not demanding a permanent solution for thousands of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.
Immigration advocates in and out of Congress are railing against those who voted for the stopgap spending bill Thursday despite promises from Democratic leaders that they would force action on the issue by the end of the year. Even before the Senate vote, a group of House Democrats burst into the office of Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the Senate minority leader, demanding an explanation. Protesters shouting “Shame on Kaine!” briefly occupied the office of Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who said he voted for the measure to prevent a partial government shutdown and protect federal employees.
“Every single Democrat who voted for the continuing resolution just voted to deport ‘dreamers’ and leave kids without access to health insurance,” said Murshed Zaheed, the political director of the California-based progressive group CREDO Action. “Quite frankly, it’s a pathetic way for the Democratic Party’s leadership to close out a year in which millions of Americans fought back and resisted the Trump regime’s racist, xenophobic and dangerous agenda.”
The internal party drama is sure to increase the pressure on Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to pass the Dream Act in January, when the latest stopgap spending bill is set to expire. It also threatens the party’s unity — and perhaps divisive primary challenges — at a time when Democrats are looking ahead to the 2018 midterms with new optimism that they have a chance to take control of both chambers.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) appears to have anticipated the backlash. Feinstein, who is up for election next year in the state with the largest population of “dreamers,” surprised activists earlier this week when she said she would vote for the spending bill rather than risk a shutdown over immigration. But Feinstein switched her vote at the last minute.
A new poll, and pressure from activists, may have played a role in her thinking. On Wednesday, the University of California at Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies released a survey showing her leading by 14 points in a race against Kevin de León, the Democratic leader in the California Senate. De León, who has been in the race for two months, was among the loudest voices demanding that Feinstein oppose the stopgap bill.
“I’ve talked with them, I’ve met with them, I understand their plight and it breaks my heart,” Feinstein said in a statement. “To allow these young people to suffer is tragic.”
The push for immigration legislation erupted in September, after President Trump vowed to end a program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which was instituted by former president Barack Obama via executive action and allowed some immigrants brought into the country as children to stay legally.
At the time, Pelosi and Schumer pledged to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and advocates have kept the pressure up to ensure they do. This week, no Democrat who voted to fund the government was spared — and emotions ran high as a result. Second half at WPNot going to lie about enjoying this a little bit, at least till all these illegal immigration activists end up in Congress. Maybe some of them can lose winnable races instead. Also this bit from later in the article: Show nested quote +“Dreamers make up hundreds of thousands of Sen. Feinstein’s constituents, and while talking a good game on Dreamers, when it comes to standing up and supporting them, she is AWOL,” [Kevin] de León said at a Wednesday morning news conference, before Feinstein changed her position. “Don’t come back to California if you haven’t demonstrated your leadership and your courage to stand up for these young men and women.” This guy is insane. Non-citizens aren't her "constituents." Don't make me vote for Feinstein because if this guy gets close I might have to. I don't think it will be close, but who knows.
He won't get close. It'll be Feinstein or Hartson.
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On December 23 2017 09:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +SAN FRANCISCO -- Officials have stopped a man who reportedly stated that "Christmas was the perfect day" for a terror attack in San Francisco and "did not need an escape plan because he was ready to die."
We've learned the FBI has arrested a man by the name of Everitt Aaron Jameson from Modesto. According to a handwritten letter obtained by the FBI, Jameson also referred to himself as Abdallah adu Everitt ibn Gordon.
The suspect was just in the Bay Area Sunday night, attending the Raiders - Cowboys game with his father.
According to the FBI, the public was never in any imminent danger from Jameson, despite the suspect's desire to conduct the attack on Christmas Day. https://twitter.com/MelanieWoodrow/status/944289244364681216Step one is to reiterate that it has nothing to do with Islam. Step two is to wring our hands about possible backlash about Muslims (or empowerment of such degenerates as Trump). How am I doing? We didn't even manage two weeks since the NY Subway bomber.
In your view, is there anything wrong with responding to this in such a manner; if so, what?
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On December 23 2017 11:38 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 11:24 Introvert wrote:Democrats who voted on a spending bill this week to keep the federal government open are facing backlash from their party for not demanding a permanent solution for thousands of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.
Immigration advocates in and out of Congress are railing against those who voted for the stopgap spending bill Thursday despite promises from Democratic leaders that they would force action on the issue by the end of the year. Even before the Senate vote, a group of House Democrats burst into the office of Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), the Senate minority leader, demanding an explanation. Protesters shouting “Shame on Kaine!” briefly occupied the office of Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who said he voted for the measure to prevent a partial government shutdown and protect federal employees.
“Every single Democrat who voted for the continuing resolution just voted to deport ‘dreamers’ and leave kids without access to health insurance,” said Murshed Zaheed, the political director of the California-based progressive group CREDO Action. “Quite frankly, it’s a pathetic way for the Democratic Party’s leadership to close out a year in which millions of Americans fought back and resisted the Trump regime’s racist, xenophobic and dangerous agenda.”
The internal party drama is sure to increase the pressure on Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to pass the Dream Act in January, when the latest stopgap spending bill is set to expire. It also threatens the party’s unity — and perhaps divisive primary challenges — at a time when Democrats are looking ahead to the 2018 midterms with new optimism that they have a chance to take control of both chambers.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) appears to have anticipated the backlash. Feinstein, who is up for election next year in the state with the largest population of “dreamers,” surprised activists earlier this week when she said she would vote for the spending bill rather than risk a shutdown over immigration. But Feinstein switched her vote at the last minute.
A new poll, and pressure from activists, may have played a role in her thinking. On Wednesday, the University of California at Berkeley’s Institute of Governmental Studies released a survey showing her leading by 14 points in a race against Kevin de León, the Democratic leader in the California Senate. De León, who has been in the race for two months, was among the loudest voices demanding that Feinstein oppose the stopgap bill.
“I’ve talked with them, I’ve met with them, I understand their plight and it breaks my heart,” Feinstein said in a statement. “To allow these young people to suffer is tragic.”
The push for immigration legislation erupted in September, after President Trump vowed to end a program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which was instituted by former president Barack Obama via executive action and allowed some immigrants brought into the country as children to stay legally.
At the time, Pelosi and Schumer pledged to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and advocates have kept the pressure up to ensure they do. This week, no Democrat who voted to fund the government was spared — and emotions ran high as a result. Second half at WPNot going to lie about enjoying this a little bit, at least till all these illegal immigration activists end up in Congress. Maybe some of them can lose winnable races instead. Also this bit from later in the article: “Dreamers make up hundreds of thousands of Sen. Feinstein’s constituents, and while talking a good game on Dreamers, when it comes to standing up and supporting them, she is AWOL,” [Kevin] de León said at a Wednesday morning news conference, before Feinstein changed her position. “Don’t come back to California if you haven’t demonstrated your leadership and your courage to stand up for these young men and women.” This guy is insane. Non-citizens aren't her "constituents." Don't make me vote for Feinstein because if this guy gets close I might have to. I don't think it will be close, but who knows. He won't get close. It'll be Feinstein or Hartson.
That's a lot of faith in the no-namer Hartson. She won't make the general. Although I'm curious why you think she could.
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