EPTYou could probably argue that if you had someone with Trump's personality installed as a North Korean dictator, he'd rival the Kims. But there's still a world of difference between what flies in the US and what flies in North Korea.
US Politics Mega-thread - Page 9047
| Forum Index > Closed |
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
You could probably argue that if you had someone with Trump's personality installed as a North Korean dictator, he'd rival the Kims. But there's still a world of difference between what flies in the US and what flies in North Korea. | ||
|
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
| ||
|
Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
| ||
|
RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
If Kim is resisting the structure of his country, Trump is a case of a structure resisting him. The Kims tell the Korean populace that they are gods among mortals, but Trump might actually believe it. He believes his touch is infallible, his words always the right words, and if anyone disputes what he said they either misheard him or they’re spiteful pitiful “losers” who will never have anything in life because they do everything wrong, as evidenced by their lack of belief in his mythical status. Trump is the sausage, and nobody knows how it’s made because that’s the whole point. | ||
|
brian
United States9644 Posts
sad times. | ||
|
LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
www.needtoimpeach.com | ||
|
mierin
United States4945 Posts
On October 24 2017 07:29 brian wrote: we’re actually comparing the leader of NK with the president of the united states with sincerity. sad times. Well put, sir. | ||
|
Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On October 24 2017 07:35 LegalLord wrote: Lol, just saw a YouTube ad for this webpage and it caught my attention. Make of it what you will: www.needtoimpeach.com I saw an ad that was proposing that al frankin was jealous about his republican challenger being more popular then him. | ||
|
RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
On October 24 2017 07:29 brian wrote: we’re actually comparing the leader of NK with the president of the united states with sincerity. sad times. Un is an unusually historic fellow because he’s not that much older than the average age of this forum, I’d reckon. The first Kim (Sung?) basically was enabled by the Soviets to establish this shitty dynasty and lived to a fairly advanced age, and Kim Jong Il was old enough to know who was trustworthy and not in his father’s regime. Un is certainly happy to be the dictator and not one of the commoners, but he had no role in setting this job up for himself and people that served his father are likely giving him a wary eye. He killed relatives to secure the spot, so to be certain he’s willing to play the game of brutal totalitarian. But he can’t rationally step down from his position and expect to keep his head. | ||
|
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 24 2017 06:32 ticklishmusic wrote: you're arguing that trump can/ should/ does act like a realty tv show guy. i'm arguing he's supposed to act like a president in the mold of the ones who came before him. So the office makes the man? Kim gets a nice elevation because giant work camps and killings are rational acts for him, but Trump gets none of that because that's how comparisons work in 2017? Let's say Trump is a necessary evil for his time and he was elected to not behave like his immediate predecessors. He might not even be the most personally morally repugnant in the last 150 years ... though maybe I could give you top five. | ||
|
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 24 2017 09:56 Danglars wrote: So the office makes the man? Kim gets a nice elevation because giant work camps and killings are rational acts for him, but Trump gets none of that because that's how comparisons work in 2017? Let's say Trump is a necessary evil for his time and he was elected to not behave like his immediate predecessors. He might not even be the most personally morally repugnant in the last 150 years ... though maybe I could give you top five. i haven't made any moral equivalence between trump and kim. since it seems necessary to state it for you, i obviously think work camps and executing people with anti aircraft guns are completely awful. nothing trump has done compares to that. however, kim is acting in the long tradition of dictators. for a dictator, he is more or less normal, awful as that normal is. trump is not acting like a president. this is not a complicated thing dude. i worry for you. | ||
|
LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
| ||
|
GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On October 24 2017 06:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: To me it really is about expectations. As horrible as Trump is, no policy he has advocated is even remotely close to as bad as the policy Kim continuously executes. To claim otherwise you really have to be completely blind to just how terrible North Korea is. But whereas Kim III is basically the same as Kim I and II, Trump is by a tremendously huge margin the worst American president of my lifetime. I think they're both fairly rational from their own pov, but Trump is less competent with regard to fulfilling his agenda than Kim is with regard to fulfilling his. And then, even with rapid decline of American influence and the rapid increase of North Korean nuclear capabilities, the US still continues to be a much more significant global actor. North Korea's terribleness saddens me on behalf of all North Koreans, but not beyond that. Trump's America makes the entire world a less safe and worse place to be. You could probably argue that if you had someone with Trump's personality installed as a North Korean dictator, he'd rival the Kims. But there's still a world of difference between what flies in the US and what flies in North Korea. Trump might not be as elocuent as Obama, but he is yet to destroy the middle east or stagnate the U.S. economy for multiple years. | ||
|
Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:30 GoTuNk! wrote: Trump might not be as elocuent as Obama, but he is yet to destroy the middle east or stagnate the U.S. economy for multiple years. I still haven't forgiven President Obama for ignoring the warnings leading up to 9/11. Him and Soros worked together to rig our entire financial system to explode. Luckily President Bush presided over the longest uninterrupted period of month to month job gains in American history. | ||
|
Archeon
3274 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:12 ticklishmusic wrote: i haven't made any moral equivalence between trump and kim. since it seems necessary to state it for you, i obviously think work camps and executing people with anti aircraft guns are completely awful. nothing trump has done compares to that. however, kim is acting in the long tradition of dictators. for a dictator, he is more or less normal, awful as that normal is. trump is not acting like a president. this is not a complicated thing dude. i worry for you. Nah Dangler's somewhat right, RubickPicker's 2 posts are pretty close to absolving Un from his crimes with his entire "he didn't start that"-chain of argument. I also doubt that Trump has the pure maliciousness necessary to put shitload of people into labor camps. He's a narcissistic retard, not a mass murdering psychopath. | ||
|
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:12 ticklishmusic wrote: i haven't made any moral equivalence between trump and kim. since it seems necessary to state it for you, i obviously think work camps and executing people with anti aircraft guns are completely awful. nothing trump has done compares to that. however, kim is acting in the long tradition of dictators. for a dictator, he is more or less normal, awful as that normal is. trump is not acting like a president. this is not a complicated thing dude. i worry for you. I've had an unending line of people to my left saying Trump is a dictator and literally Hitler. Sorry if I get a little puzzled when you bring up "long tradition of dictators" for acting rationally to contrast with Trump. I was under the impression that acting rationally meant in your rational self interest, and you use other terms for rising to the challenge of a job, such as talking about the better angels of our nature. It's news to me that so many want to make a point that acting rationally means acting according to tradition. I guess it's Trump's world these days and you're all just acting in reaction to it. | ||
|
Liquid`Drone
Norway28923 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:30 GoTuNk! wrote: Trump might not be as elocuent as Obama, but he is yet to destroy the middle east or stagnate the U.S. economy for multiple years. Did you mean bush? Because I can agree that Bush had a worse impact on the world than what Trump has had so far. However I can't even begin to imagine what Trump's response to 9/11 would have been. | ||
|
Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:17 LegalLord wrote: Gotta hand it to Kim though, “a frightened dog barks louder” is such a picture perfect way to respond to Trump’s threats. The media establishment should take note. They've been falling for his obvious manipulation of the news cycle for a year longer than I expected. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: Did you mean bush? Because I can agree that Bush had a worse impact on the world than what Trump has had so far. However I can't even begin to imagine what Trump's response to 9/11 would have been. Bragging about the tallest building in Manhattan and making up cheering crowds. Basically a normal day. | ||
|
farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On October 24 2017 10:40 KwarK wrote: Bragging about the tallest building in Manhattan and making up cheering crowds. Basically a normal day. Tsk tsk, he's only among the top 5 most morally repugnant Presidents in the last 150 years and is not a literal mass murdering head of a dictatorial fascist state. We're clearly being too hard on him. | ||
| ||
