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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 10 2017 19:22 GMT
#179281
On October 11 2017 04:19 Nevuk wrote:


NFL caved it seems
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2017 19:24 GMT
#179282
This is the league that couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. They going to start suspending players for kneeling? Teams gunna be into that? They going to give them tiny, slap on the wrist fines and hope they stop?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 10 2017 19:30 GMT
#179283
Of course the NFL caved. The owners are a bunch of slimeballs who finally figured out that the protests are hurting their bottom line (both now and in the future). But frankly, this is too little, too late. The damage has been done.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2017 19:33 GMT
#179284
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
October 10 2017 19:37 GMT
#179285
just because Goodell says something, doesn’t mean it’s the case. he’s far from a well loved commissioner, right?

just sayin.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
October 10 2017 19:44 GMT
#179286
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.



Of course, a good way to stop people from getting used to the protest is to tell the players they have to stop doing it.
RIP Meatloaf <3
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 10 2017 19:48 GMT
#179287
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.

Who was going to get used to it? Fans were tuning out in protest. There is nothing from the past year to indicate that riding this out was a sustainable course of action.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 10 2017 19:49 GMT
#179288
On October 11 2017 04:22 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:19 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/917808184773038081


NFL caved it seems


Is the rest of the letter anywhere?
Logo
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2017 19:49 GMT
#179289
On October 11 2017 04:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.



Of course, a good way to stop people from getting used to the protest is to tell the players they have to stop doing it.

What are they going to do, bench all the players who kneel? Wanna see an NFL team because all their black players get ejected for kneeling?

You know what. I take it back. They should totally try that, just so I can watch them squirm.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2017 19:50 GMT
#179290
On October 11 2017 04:49 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:22 IyMoon wrote:
On October 11 2017 04:19 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/917808184773038081


NFL caved it seems


Is the rest of the letter anywhere?

Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 10 2017 19:50 GMT
#179291
On October 11 2017 04:19 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/917808184773038081

Haha. Oopsies. I don't think that level of display of cowardice from the top has a rewind button.

Also, never say the PR types aren't ridiculously entertaining at times. "The current dispute ... is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game."


Speaking of Matt Murrays
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 19:55:14
October 10 2017 19:52 GMT
#179292
On October 11 2017 04:50 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:49 Logo wrote:
On October 11 2017 04:22 IyMoon wrote:
On October 11 2017 04:19 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/917808184773038081


NFL caved it seems


Is the rest of the letter anywhere?

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/917813969481535490


Eh it sounds less like a cave in and more like just a lot of fluff? It doesn't seem like there's any actual punitive plan coming down the pipeline, but that they'll try to buy off players from protesting by offering them some token stuff. "Everyone should stand..." sounds more like an aspiration than an order.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 10 2017 19:53 GMT
#179293
boo to goodell; not that I eve rliked him much anyways or car emcuh about football.
And boo to the trash conservatives who made this into an issue with their nonsensical beliefs.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
October 10 2017 19:53 GMT
#179294
On October 11 2017 04:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.



Of course, a good way to stop people from getting used to the protest is to tell the players they have to stop doing it.

What are they going to do, bench all the players who kneel? Wanna see an NFL team because all their black players get ejected for kneeling?

You know what. I take it back. They should totally try that, just so I can watch them squirm.


Haha yeah that would be fun.
The sheer amount of fake outrage that this has caused has distracted from the real issue at hand anyway. These NFL players should get all their money together and do something that will really make a difference.
If only someone could think of what that would really be.

I really feel dreadful for the black community when it comes to this problem. I really can't see a way forward that isn't excruciatingly slow and painful for everyone, and they can't keep letting the problem go on either.
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2017 19:53 GMT
#179295
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2017 19:55 GMT
#179296
On October 11 2017 04:48 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.

Who was going to get used to it? Fans were tuning out in protest. There is nothing from the past year to indicate that riding this out was a sustainable course of action.

Again, what are they going to do? Bench star players? Fine them into the ground, only to lose in court? Again, this is the league that failed to be celebrations. None of this is going to improve their ratings or get more viewers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 19:59:24
October 10 2017 19:58 GMT
#179297
i bet the NFLPA is gonna come out with something in response. the most i see happening is the NFL levying a bunch of 10k fines for the next few games of the season.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10154 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 20:05:46
October 10 2017 20:03 GMT
#179298
I really like the language terms "workers" and "owners" instead of "teams" and "players".
On October 11 2017 04:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/917783126658691079

You gotta respect your recipients of the peace nobel. Atleast, the real ones.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 10 2017 20:05 GMT
#179299
On October 11 2017 04:53 zlefin wrote:
boo to goodell; not that I eve rliked him much anyways or car emcuh about football.
And boo to the trash conservatives who made this into an issue with their nonsensical beliefs.

The hot takes come out so fast I'm still stuck when the topic was pro football players making this an issue about conservative's allegedly nonsensical beliefs.

But this is absolutely about people that say boo to football fans and also don't car emcuh about football. In a roundabout way, you hit the nail on the head.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 10 2017 20:07 GMT
#179300
On October 11 2017 04:55 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2017 04:48 xDaunt wrote:
On October 11 2017 04:33 Plansix wrote:
If they didn’t cave and waited it out, people would just get used to the protest and wouldn’t care. The NBA just lets their players have political opinions and it’s really a huge deal. The tooth paste can’t go back into the tube. And again, they couldn’t ban celebrations in the end zone. I’m not convinced they can ban this either. Or that all the team owners are willing to fight with their players about it.

Who was going to get used to it? Fans were tuning out in protest. There is nothing from the past year to indicate that riding this out was a sustainable course of action.

Again, what are they going to do? Bench star players? Fine them into the ground, only to lose in court? Again, this is the league that failed to be celebrations. None of this is going to improve their ratings or get more viewers.

What makes you think that the owners can't bench the players? The CBA gives the owners a ton of power in that regard.
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