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On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
This thread on twitter about all the disinformation being circulated on social media is really depressing. How does the public navigate this shit when it is so prolific? One of these fictions will gain traction.
it's just one of those things that has no solutions. like mass shootings. ppl are shit and will use whatever tools are at their disposal to be shit
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Isn't this America's official motto? Well it's, "In God we Trust" which is basically the same thing.
God or the free market. The only two things Americans trust to solve the problems facing people.
I recall an old joke about a pastor trapped on a roof during a flood...
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
The future tyrannical government isn't literally going to roll you over with a tank. No democratic government will ever openly crack down on the civil population by force because it would immediately render them illegitimate without a shot being fired.
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
Now we can live under the tyranny of our feel citizens and their ability to murder us all at any public event at will using weapons sold to them by a billion dollar industry.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
People said it sounded like he modified them to be fully auto, which is ... not legal. Probably too easy to do though.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
People said it sounded like he modified them to be fully auto, which is ... not legal. Probably too easy to do though.
We live in the era of the internet, where how to guides to do anything are a click away. There is part of me that thinks there is a youtube tutorial on how to modify guns to make them automatic out there someplace.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
People said it sounded like he modified them to be fully auto, which is ... not legal. Probably too easy to do though.
The guy was very clearly firing a fully automatic rifle. The sound is unmistakable on the videos that are out there. Modifying a civilian semi-auto firearm to be fully automatic isn't hard. I've seen people do it.
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
The future tyrannical government isn't literally going to roll you over with a tank. No democratic government will ever openly crack down on the civil population by force because it would immediately render them illegitimate without a shot being fired.
That sounds a bit weird one day after what happened in catalonia. I wouldn't totally discard the possibility. Not that i believe it will happen, but you seem a bit too sure that it would never ever happen.
The main issue is, if some goverment (or armed militia/whatever) is trying to take over, you can bet that it will have a big part of the population behind it. So its people with guns vs people with guns on both sides. Tanks can be on no, both or a third side depending on what the Military does. Congratulations you got a civil war.
Looking at Syria and other countries that had/have civil wars, I would rather have a regime getting in charge i dislike than the country (and people you know and love in it) going up in flames.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
People said it sounded like he modified them to be fully auto, which is ... not legal. Probably too easy to do though.
The guy was very clearly firing a fully automatic rifle. The sound is unmistakable on the videos that are out there. Modifying a civilian semi-auto firearm to be fully automatic isn't hard. I've seen people do it.
Well, I'll be damned.
I googled "modify rifle automatic" and this immediately came up. There's also a couple thousand other videos, blogs, etc. on how to do it. (Please don't)
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
Allright, so all western countries are just morons for trusting the democratic process then? I remember the reunification of Germany, when all those guys with AKMs murdered the tyrannical government, mowed down the NVA. And when those tanks roled out afterwards, thank god my father had an antitank missile he bought before or i would not be here today.
How exactly are AR-15s in the hands of your population a moral check? Either your government is willing to use force against you, then AR-15s won't solve the problem, because you are going to get airstriked. Or they are not, in which case your AR-15 is either useless or you are a murderer for killing your government with it. I cannot see a single scenario in which the population being armed to the teath with handguns and semi-automatic rifles will prevent or stop an illegal activity by the state. Please tell me how you think such a scenario would look like.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
i can’t stand for this argument being allowed to propagate. even guns obtained illegally today wouldn’t be as easy to illegally obtain if we had stricter gun control laws.
you can’t let ‘he got them illegally anyway, where there’s a will there’s a way’ be an easy way to bow out of a discussion. it’s just hand wavy bullshit that clearly isn’t true since, thankfully, we have half a worlds worth of evidence to the fact.
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
am i reading an oddly sarcastic tone to this? or is it just in my head. it reminds me of the most recent john oliver where the guy puts a sarcastic tone to something deeply serious.
well shit, it’s monday. guess it won’t be the most recent one anymore.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
i can’t stand for this argument being allowed to propagate. even guns obtained illegally today wouldn’t be as easy to illegally obtain if we had stricter gun control laws.
you can’t let ‘he got them illegally anyway, where there’s a will there’s a way’ be an easy way to bow out of a discussion. it’s just hand wavy bullshit that clearly isn’t true since, thankfully, we have half a worlds worth of evidence to the fact.
Don't forget the classic "Chicago is run by liberals pushing gun control, so ha, guess gun control doesn't work" as though it isn't possible to drive less than one hour away from the city and into a state with practically zero regulation.
Private firearm sales between individuals are totally unregulated at the federal level, but alas, a dude from Northern Ireland says that there's nothing we can do about the unchecked spread of firearms, guess that's that.
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
Allright, so all western countries are just morons for trusting the democratic process then? I remember the reunification of Germany, when all those guys with AKMs murdered the tyrannical government, mowed down the NVA. And when those tanks roled out afterwards, thank god my father had an antitank missile he bought before or i would not be here today.
How exactly are AR-15s in the hands of your population a moral check? Either your government is willing to use force against you, then AR-15s won't solve the problem, because you are going to get airstriked. Or they are not, in which case your AR-15 is either useless or you are a murderer for killing your government with it. I cannot see a single scenario in which the population being armed to the teath with handguns and semi-automatic rifles will prevent or stop an illegal activity by the state. Please tell me how you think such a scenario would look like.
If anything we're mostly seeing the opposite of gun ownership guarding the democratic process. Heavily armed right wing militias and groups tend to see themselves as aligned with police and in opposition to protestors or movements like Black Lives Matter. There have been a few cases where the guns are on the opposite side of the law (like the whole Bundy Ranch thing), but it seems like more often than not the guns seem to be on the side sticking up for government authority.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
i can’t stand for this argument being allowed to propagate. even guns obtained illegally today wouldn’t be as easy to illegally obtain if we had stricter gun control laws.
you can’t let ‘he got them illegally anyway, where there’s a will there’s a way’ be an easy way to bow out of a discussion. it’s just hand wavy bullshit that clearly isn’t true since, thankfully, we have half a worlds worth of evidence to the fact.
It would be nice if we could have any debate or discussion about guns and gun violence in general, but that is impossible in the US. The government cannot collect data on gun violence because the gun industry lobby is to strong. We can’t talk about creating a greater barrier of entry to owning the more dangerous guns that can be easily modified and are designed for combat.
Somewhere there is a legal framework that can let responsible people own firearms, with escalating levels of government oversight relative to the danger weapons themselves and safeguard for the public. We could make frameworks to provide conceal and carry licenses that were good across state lines. Federal gun permits that were good in every state.
But we can’t have those things. We can’t even talk about them. The floor debates can’t even happen because the gun lobby just wants to sell everyone guns. Criminals and citizens.
On October 02 2017 20:45 Broetchenholer wrote: Yeah yeah, fully automatic weapons are regulated, you have to hit the trigger for those guns, which makes them completely worthless. Those semi automatic assault type weapons can basically not be used for anything....
At this point, arguing about automatic or not automatic is missing the point. There is virtually no reason to sell AR15s to your citizens. What are you afraid about? a Zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? Or are those for deerhunting?
As a strong moral check check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, of course. Are you supposed to shake off the yokes of a future tyrannical government with just pistols?
am i reading an oddly sarcastic tone to this? or is it just in my head. it reminds me of the most recent john oliver where the guy puts a sarcastic tone to something deeply serious.
Yeah, that one is hard to read. If it were anyone but Danglars writing this (except maybe xDaunt or RiK), i would be certain it was sarcasm.
But with our resident conservatives, that sounds like something they could actually believe in, so i am not certain now.
Anyways, we should probably have the gun control debate in the special thread exactly for these occasions, as it never leads to anything anyways.
I look forward to finding out that all these guns were legally obtained and that there is nothing that can be done under current law to prevent this from happening in the future.
People said it sounded like he modified them to be fully auto, which is ... not legal. Probably too easy to do though.
The guy was very clearly firing a fully automatic rifle. The sound is unmistakable on the videos that are out there. Modifying a civilian semi-auto firearm to be fully automatic isn't hard. I've seen people do it.
The disagreement seems to be over how he made it fully auto. Some people are saying bump fire, others just that it was modified.
Did a little reading and bump fire is basically a legal way to get a fully auto rate of fire from an AR 15.
Here's a video and a snippet of a description of how it works
The Bump Fire stock doesn’t convert semiautomatic rifles to true automatic fire. Rather, it provides an effective means of engaging a gun’s trigger extremely quickly. Instead of pulling back the trigger to fire, the user places his or her finger slightly in front of the trigger and pushes the whole gun forward with steady pressure. The trigger hits the finger and the round goes off. Recoil pushes the gun back, but the shooter’s forward pressure immediately returns the trigger back to the finger, and so the gun fires off another round faster than the blink of an eye.
This thread on twitter about all the disinformation being circulated on social media is really depressing. How does the public navigate this shit when it is so prolific? One of these fictions will gain traction.
it's just one of those things that has no solutions. like mass shootings. ppl are shit and will use whatever tools are at their disposal to be shit
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Isn't this America's official motto? Well it's, "In God we Trust" which is basically the same thing.
God or the free market. The only two things Americans trust to solve the problems facing people.
I recall an old joke about a pastor trapped on a roof during a flood...
This thread on twitter about all the disinformation being circulated on social media is really depressing. How does the public navigate this shit when it is so prolific? One of these fictions will gain traction.
it's just one of those things that has no solutions. like mass shootings. ppl are shit and will use whatever tools are at their disposal to be shit
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Isn't this America's official motto? Well it's, "In God we Trust" which is basically the same thing.
God or the free market. The only two things Americans trust to solve the problems facing people.
I recall an old joke about a pastor trapped on a roof during a flood...
that article Oo wow. Why are these Admirals allowed to retire early as 'punishment' and not getting discharged on the spot for gross incompetence?
I just skimmed the article the first time, but holy crap:
Ships steaming in crowded waters like those near Singapore and Tokyo will now broadcast their positions as do other vessels. And ships whose crews lack basic seamanship certification will probably stay in port until the problems are fixed.
This thread on twitter about all the disinformation being circulated on social media is really depressing. How does the public navigate this shit when it is so prolific? One of these fictions will gain traction.
it's just one of those things that has no solutions. like mass shootings. ppl are shit and will use whatever tools are at their disposal to be shit
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
Isn't this America's official motto? Well it's, "In God we Trust" which is basically the same thing.
God or the free market. The only two things Americans trust to solve the problems facing people.
I recall an old joke about a pastor trapped on a roof during a flood...
Ships steaming in crowded waters like those near Singapore and Tokyo will now broadcast their positions as do other vessels. And ships whose crews lack basic seamanship certification will probably stay in port until the problems are fixed.
McCain's quote shows that this is a no brainier. 100 work weeks are a failure of management on all levels. It can be done, but there better be some outside influence that cases it, not just gross negligence the people managing the navy.
Senators harrumphed last week that sleep-deprived sailors presented an obvious problem begging for a solution. “If we know that somebody’s working a 100-hour workweek, I’m not sure we need a study,” Mr. McCain said acidly.
I also don’t understand how these ships are at sea with sailors who don’t all know how to make the shit function if the navigation goes down. Any real conflict of scale will quickly limit our ability to rely on things like GPS and satellites. There a time in the late 1990s when China was developing ground level lasers to shoot at our spy satellites to blind them. I doubt anyone stopped developing those tools.
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