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On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well.
not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking.
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On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well.
A firefighter does not have any reasons to tell the kids lies, big oil corporations on the other hand have plenty. What kind of comparison is this?
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On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking.
not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand.
The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect.
On February 10 2014 08:07 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. A firefighter does not have any reasons to tell the kids lies, big oil corporations on the other hand have plenty. What kind of comparison is this?
Yes, firefighters are physically incapable of not telling the truth...
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On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant.
A) it's hardly unilaterally "detrimental," and the parts that are detrimental are still up for debate.
B) They don't stand to gain billions of dollars from these kids. At best, they may inspires a few to go into engineering (specifically petroleum).
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On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect.
I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda.
It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating.
Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries)
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On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries)
Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes.
If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic.
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On February 10 2014 09:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:
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People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries) Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes. If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic.
there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people. i was hoping you'd notice it.
On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:07 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:On February 10 2014 02:32 aksfjh wrote:
I'm just not understanding the hate for OOGEEP. Yes, they have an agenda of public education about the oil and gas industry, primarily the benefits of such. However, I don't see that as having such an effect on kids that the kids completely ignore the environmental side effects. If anything, I think it would have the opposite effect, with them taking more interest in the subject itself and paying more attention to any news along the subject.
It seems as if you're not bashing the oil and gas industry these days, you MUST be some sort of anti-environmentalist lackey. People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. A firefighter does not have any reasons to tell the kids lies, big oil corporations on the other hand have plenty. What kind of comparison is this? Yes, firefighters are physically incapable of not telling the truth...
that's not what he said. he said there is no reason to lie to the kids, whereas there is vested interest in an oil corp to lie to the public and fudge scientific studies in their favour.
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On February 10 2014 09:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 02:39 Nyxisto wrote:
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People who have a conflict of interest on a specific subject shouldn't be responsible for educating young children on those topics. I mean, an oil company teaching children about the oil industry is like Taco Bell teaching kids nutritional science. Schools shouldn't be corporate recruitment centers. The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries) Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes. If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic.
I just said they have one clear goal - make a lot of money. Other interests are anything but primary to them. I never said they are evil or the like... putting words in my mouth ain't nice.
The younger history showed that putting too much trust in corporations - that includes oil companies - and giving them the benefit of the doubt is not all that smart, no?
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On February 10 2014 09:10 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries) Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes. If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic. there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people. i was hoping you'd notice it.
LOL, that's so pathetic. You basically re-wrote my comment about one side being mindless and evil and the other being altruistic superheroes.
I'm out. You kids are just going to drive me nuts again with your crazy talk.
On February 10 2014 09:14 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:32 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
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The conflict of interest looks pretty benign here, let's not get hypersensitive. How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries) Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes. If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic. I just said they have one clear goal - make a lot of money. Other interests are anything but primary to them. I never said they are evil or the like... putting words in my mouth ain't nice. The younger history showed that putting too much trust in corporations - that includes oil companies - and giving them the benefit of the doubt is not all that smart, no?
I wasn't quoting you, I was pointing out your sentiment. No one here has established any foul play or tangible conflict of interest. It's just a bunch of "oil companies are bad so this is bad!"
Again, I'm done with this conversation. Stay crazy kids.
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On February 10 2014 09:16 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:10 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 09:00 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:27 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 08:06 Doublemint wrote:On February 10 2014 08:01 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:55 Roe wrote:On February 10 2014 07:45 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 07:40 Roe wrote:
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How is the conflict of interest benign...If you're a company that stands to gain billions of dollars from something which is detrimental, that sounds pretty malignant. It's about as benign as a math teacher advocating math. A math teacher makes billions in profits from people being interested in the idea of math at the cost of phys ed? I don't see how your comparison is in any way analogous. Actually we do spend billions on education. Can't have firefighters talk about fire safety either, since they're biased as well. not sure if you are trolling or not... Firefighters and/or teachers are not the same as corporations out to make a lot of money - quite possibly to the detriment of the environment and the people living in this environment in the case of hydraulic fracturing or fracking. not sure if you are trolling or not... just because you have a problem with oil companies doesn't meant that there's an inappropriate conflict of interest at hand. The link between a seminar that explains oil activities and profits is very indirect. I did not say oil companies, I said corporations out to make a lot of money. Such "seminars" are nothing else than more elaborate PR events. To use an ugly word - propaganda. It's not nearly as clear cut with teachers or firefighters what motif they have when they are doing similar events - apart from educating. Don't get me wrong, I get why they want to raise awareness and have people not living in fear of fracking, but very seldom do such companies care what is happening because of their activity, also thanks to lax regulation/no enforcement of these regulations. Unless shit hits the fan, at which point it's a lose lose for everyone. (BP/Freedom Industries) Oh get real. People don't become mindless evil zombies once they go to work in private industry anymore than teachers and firefighters are guaranteed altruistic superheroes. If you have a problem with something specific about the seminars, fine. But just spewing the 'corporations are teh evils!" is just idiotic. there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people. i was hoping you'd notice it. LOL, that's so pathetic. You basically re-wrote my comment about one side being mindless and evil and the other being altruistic superheroes. I'm out. You kids are just going to drive me nuts again with your crazy talk.
Nighty night you old fart 
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It's basically just one example for a phenomenon of our time. Public schools and independent education are so notoriously underfunded that big businesses are now trying to get their foot in the door so that in 18 years we will have 50 Jonnys in this thread explaining to us why big oil running schools is in fact a good thing.
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They're not running schools. Did you look at the curriculum and experiments associated with OOGEEP at all?
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I don't remember saying corporations are mindless and evil while teachers are altruistic superheroes...maybe I was "re-writing" again. Maybe Johnny is just up too late 
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rofl Jonny
you are alomst as stubborn as sam
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On February 10 2014 09:31 Roe wrote:I don't remember saying corporations are mindless and evil while teachers are altruistic superheroes...maybe I was "re-writing" again. Maybe Johnny is just up too late
You wrote "there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people."
There only thing here is an implication that one is acting out of greed (evil) and the other is acting out of altruism (good).
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On February 10 2014 09:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:31 Roe wrote:I don't remember saying corporations are mindless and evil while teachers are altruistic superheroes...maybe I was "re-writing" again. Maybe Johnny is just up too late You wrote "there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people." There only thing here is an implication that one is acting out of greed (evil) and the other is acting out of altruism (good).
No sir. That is your mind twisting what I said. I think you're just tired though, good night Johnny
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It is also an utterly irrelevant discussion. Basically, i don't want someone who has a vested personal interest in people seeing a matter that is obviously not clear-cut in one specific way trying to influence what children get taught in school.
Now, for your examples, a firefighter talking about fire safety does not have a personal interest in the situation. He does not profit more if there are more or less fires. (Unless you have some really retarded setup where firefighters get paid by the amount of fires they fight, but why would anyone do that, it is just insane). A teacher talking about maths is doing his job. A slightly problematic situation would be a teacher talking about the education system.
See how all of those are utterly different from an oil company trying to get their claws on the people educating people and make them talk about oil drilling in a way that that company likes?
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On February 10 2014 09:57 Simberto wrote:
It is also an utterly irrelevant discussion. Basically, i don't want someone who has a vested personal interest in people seeing a matter that is obviously not clear-cut in one specific way trying to influence what children get taught in school.
Now, for your examples, a firefighter talking about fire safety does not have a personal interest in the situation. He does not profit more if there are more or less fires. (Unless you have some really retarded setup where firefighters get paid by the amount of fires they fight, but why would anyone do that, it is just insane). A teacher talking about maths is doing his job. A slightly problematic situation would be a teacher talking about the education system.
See how all of those are utterly different from an oil company trying to get their claws on the people educating people and make them talk about oil drilling in a way that that company likes?
The company doesn't profit more either. See how it isn't different?
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On February 10 2014 09:52 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 09:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 10 2014 09:31 Roe wrote:I don't remember saying corporations are mindless and evil while teachers are altruistic superheroes...maybe I was "re-writing" again. Maybe Johnny is just up too late You wrote "there is a difference between someone who works for money and someone who works to teach and help people." There only thing here is an implication that one is acting out of greed (evil) and the other is acting out of altruism (good). No sir. That is your mind twisting what I said. I think you're just tired though, good night Johnny
So what was your point? That teachers literally don't get paid for their work?
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On February 10 2014 09:57 Simberto wrote:
It is also an utterly irrelevant discussion. Basically, i don't want someone who has a vested personal interest in people seeing a matter that is obviously not clear-cut in one specific way trying to influence what children get taught in school.
Now, for your examples, a firefighter talking about fire safety does not have a personal interest in the situation. He does not profit more if there are more or less fires. (Unless you have some really retarded setup where firefighters get paid by the amount of fires they fight, but why would anyone do that, it is just insane). A teacher talking about maths is doing his job. A slightly problematic situation would be a teacher talking about the education system.
See how all of those are utterly different from an oil company trying to get their claws on the people educating people and make them talk about oil drilling in a way that that company likes?
You mean in the scientific way that actually improves understanding of science and engineering?
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