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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 17:17 GMT
#171001
On August 26 2017 02:14 Nyxisto wrote:
I still don't understand why globalist is an insult. Globalism is pretty great

We turned Ivy Educated Liberal into an insult. Being educated at an Ivy League school is dope as fuck.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 17:24:13
August 25 2017 17:23 GMT
#171002
Well a certain branch of the anti-globalist far right is the one world government conspiracy theorists, which were it true, would be an insult. And then as another branch (or perhaps an overlapping same) use globalism as code for international Jewry, then that's inherently an insult... to them. Actually, anti-globalism is where the far right has some overlapping beliefs with the anarchists that are always protesting those global trade summits. They just come at it from opposite sides... and hate each others' guts.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 25 2017 17:26 GMT
#171003
On August 26 2017 02:14 Nyxisto wrote:
I still don't understand why globalist is an insult. Globalism is pretty great

because it was made into an insult by people blaming "others" for their problems. especially blaming the merchants/trader/wallstreet.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 25 2017 17:30 GMT
#171004
The health insurer Aetna is facing criticism for revealing the HIV status of potentially thousands of customers after it sent out a mailer in which information about ordering prescription HIV drugs was clearly visible through the envelope's clear window.

For example, in a letter sent to a customer in Brooklyn, N.Y., the window revealed considerably more than the address. It also showed the beginning of a letter advising the customer about options "when filling prescriptions for HIV Medic ... "

Aetna says approximately 12,000 customers were sent the mailer on July 28 that potentially revealed private medical information, though the company says it isn't clear exactly how many were affected, because it depends on how the letter was positioned in the envelope.

"We sincerely apologize to those affected by a mailing issue that inadvertently exposed the personal health information of some Aetna members," the company said in a statement. "This type of mistake is unacceptable, and we are undertaking a full review of our processes to ensure something like this never happens again."

The Legal Action Center in New York City and the AIDS Law Project of Pennsylvania sent a cease-and-desist letter to Aetna, stating that the privacy breach caused "incalculable harm to Aetna beneficiaries." The groups say they received complaints from individuals in Arizona, California, Georgia, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C.

"Aetna's privacy violation devastated people whose neighbors and family learned their intimate health information," Sally Friedman, legal director of the Legal Action Center, said in a statement. "They also were shocked that their health insurer would utterly disregard their privacy rights."

The groups also called for "corrective measures to ensure that this gross breach of privacy and confidentiality never reoccurs."

They say the people who received the letters "are currently taking medications for HIV treatment as well as for Pre-exposure Phophylaxis (PrEP), a regimen that helps prevent a person from acquiring HIV."

In a letter notifying customers of the privacy breach, a copy of which was obtained by NPR, Aetna says it learned on July 31 that personal information may have been exposed through the envelope window.

The letter states that upon investigating, Aetna "confirmed that the vendor handling the mailing had used a window envelope, and, in some cases, the letter could have shifted within the envelope in a way that allowed personal health information to be viewable through the window."

It adds: "Regardless of how this error occurred, it affects our members and it is our responsibility to do out best to make things right."

The Legal Action Center and the AIDS Law Project of Pennsylvania say they are considering further legal action.


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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 25 2017 17:37 GMT
#171005

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper have entertained the idea of forming a unity presidential ticket to run for the White House in 2020, a source involved the discussions tells CNN.

Under this scenario, Kasich, a Republican, and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, would run as independents with Kasich at the top of the ticket, said the source, who cautioned it has only been casually talked about.


www.cnn.com
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15684 Posts
August 25 2017 17:50 GMT
#171006
On August 26 2017 02:37 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper have entertained the idea of forming a unity presidential ticket to run for the White House in 2020, a source involved the discussions tells CNN.

Under this scenario, Kasich, a Republican, and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, would run as independents with Kasich at the top of the ticket, said the source, who cautioned it has only been casually talked about.


www.cnn.com


They certainly run the risk of just being a shitty version of a a democrat ticket. But I think this is way too rough at this point to say anything.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 25 2017 17:54 GMT
#171007
Just going to leave this one here for later. Mark Lilla gets pushed on his 'identity politics is killing Democrats' thesis by an interviewer who can remember the basic history of the last 60 years. Lilla completely falls apart. Lilla does his best to try and spin up how community college SJWs are out of control, but gets smacked down when he can't link the CC kids to any Democratic party members.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2017/08/mark_lilla_thinks_identity_politics_are_destroying_the_democratic_party.html
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 25 2017 18:05 GMT
#171008
On August 26 2017 01:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 00:44 Adreme wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:41 Danglars wrote:
On August 26 2017 00:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
t's a Cat2. We just haven't had any sort of significant hurricane landing in the last couple years, so that combined with serious doubts about the current Admin's ability to flush a toilet is what's driving the hysteria. Storms hit, and then stuff gets fixed. Texas will be more than likely fine, any sort of disaster will be in the bungling of the fixes rather than the storm itself.

That was my original takeaway. Then I saw the article on catastrophic storm surge, life threatening storm surge, very significant disaster, mass exodus, "Such daunting language hasn't been seen by CNN's experts since Hurricane Katrina, which left more than 1,800 people dead in 2005." How the fuck are you supposed to describe a Cat 5 if this is what a 2 perhaps 3 merits, seriously?


It all depends on where stuff hits honestly. Katrina was bad because it was a bad hurricane in a dangerous location. Rita was just as bad but hit a less severe location. This one could hit a bad location so it could be bad but in general the media will always overhype hurricanes because they grab ratings.

They also don't get any credit for downplaying them and it would be seen as irresponsible. Texas is supposed to get 24 inches of rain in some areas. Sounds dangerous for the area it is hitting.


Yeah, there's no "upside" to downplaying it, but the media can be a little less hysterical at least. This is one point where I get annoyed at the media. I'm originally from the Gulf Coast and have been walloped by hurricanes. I did the evacuation thing for some, rode others (include Cat 3+'s) out. Being in a boarded up house with no power for several weeks is an interesting experience, second only to being evacuated by boat.

And Katrina was a cat 3. It dumped a little more rain than expected, but the issue was that the levees fucking broke. A cat 3 typically doesn't do as much damage as a Katrina, it was a man-made disaster as much as a natural one.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
August 25 2017 18:06 GMT
#171009
On August 26 2017 02:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 02:37 Doodsmack wrote:

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper have entertained the idea of forming a unity presidential ticket to run for the White House in 2020, a source involved the discussions tells CNN.

Under this scenario, Kasich, a Republican, and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, would run as independents with Kasich at the top of the ticket, said the source, who cautioned it has only been casually talked about.


www.cnn.com


They certainly run the risk of just being a shitty version of a a democrat ticket. But I think this is way too rough at this point to say anything.

Or they run the chance of being voted by those who simply wish for this eternal trench war to somehow end.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 25 2017 18:08 GMT
#171010
On August 26 2017 03:06 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 02:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 26 2017 02:37 Doodsmack wrote:

Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper have entertained the idea of forming a unity presidential ticket to run for the White House in 2020, a source involved the discussions tells CNN.

Under this scenario, Kasich, a Republican, and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, would run as independents with Kasich at the top of the ticket, said the source, who cautioned it has only been casually talked about.


www.cnn.com


They certainly run the risk of just being a shitty version of a a democrat ticket. But I think this is way too rough at this point to say anything.

Or they run the chance of being voted by those who simply wish for this eternal trench war to somehow end.

that's what kasich was running on in the republican primary; he did not do that well on it. admitttedly it'd work better in the general than the primary; but still not good odds.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 18:11 GMT
#171011
At some point a third party is going to break through. But going for the biggest prize every time is a losing plan. Pick a state, take over that state. Make it better. Expand. New parties are not going to be formed from the top down.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 18:14:50
August 25 2017 18:13 GMT
#171012
They get made from the top down when one of the top parties implodes, a la the whigs. The movers and shakers would probably just try to do a hostile take over of a smaller party though.

Well, relative top down. Not president level in their first election, as I'm thinking about the 1830s-1850s
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 18:17 GMT
#171013

‘Political Correctness Gone Overboard’: ESPN Broadcaster Livid After Being Fired


Former tennis pro Doug Adler lost his long-time gig as an ESPN broadcaster after a match featuring Venus Williams at the 2017 Australian Open. After Williams won an impressive point, Adler made an observation that resulted in a mixed reaction of outrage and indifference, depending on how his words were interpreted. Adler insists that what he said while describing Williams’ play was, “You’re gonna see Venus move in and put the guerrilla effect on, charging.” Many viewers thought he said “gorilla,” and felt it was a racially charged comment about a black athlete. ESPN made Adler apologize and then fired him.

Adler has been livid ever since, claiming that he did nothing wrong and used a perfectly valid tennis expression for Williams’ unorthodox tactics. The phrase “guerrilla tennis” had been used in a Nike ad campaign in 1995, featuring white Americans Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi, and was the headline of a 2004 New York Times article. On Friday, he appeared on NBC’s “Today Show” to talk about the incident, and his ongoing lawsuit against ESPN in Los Angeles Superior Court.

“It just makes me absolutely sick,” Adler said about the allegations of racism. “It’s not true. It couldn’t be further from the truth, and I don’t quite understand nor accept how something like that can happen to me.”

The now-former broadcaster says that he didn’t notice any reaction to what he said the day after. Even Williams herself didn’t seem upset by it. When asked about it at a press conference days later, Williams said, “I pay attention and address situations that are noteworthy,” clearly not deeming the issue worthy of a response. Adler interpreted this as Williams acknowledging that this was a non-issue. That didn’t keep ESPN from firing him.

“The irony is that Adler called everything correctly and in a professional manner, whereas ESPN did not – they recklessly made the wrong call,” Adler’s attorney, David Ring, said in a statement in February. “It was not only political correctness gone overboard, but also a cowardly move that ruined a good man’s career.”

Former New York City Mayor David Dinkins, who is black and a big tennis fan, has come to Adler’s defense about claims that Adler’s remark was racist. Dinkins told NBC’s Matt Lauer, “It should not have been taken that way by anybody.”

Adler said his lawsuit against the company was necessary because of the damage their decision did to his career. “They killed me, they made me unemployable,” he said. “They ended my career, they killed my reputation, my good name, what else was I supposed to do?”

ESPN defends their decision.”Adler made an inappropriate reference to Venus Williams for which he felt no apology was necessary,” they said in a statement to LawNewz.com. “We disagree and stand 100% behind our decision to remove him from the 2017 Australian Open.”

lawnewz.com
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
August 25 2017 18:23 GMT
#171014
Alright, as much as I think the community college SJW kids don't matter; damn what is up with [Disney]-ESPN? These guys need to get some perspective on what is a big deal and what isn't.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
August 25 2017 18:26 GMT
#171015
On August 26 2017 03:23 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Alright, as much as I think the community college SJW kids don't matter; damn what is up with [Disney]-ESPN? These guys need to get some perspective on what is a big deal and what isn't.

No defence for the guerrilla firing but the Robert Lee firing literally didn't happen. The internet made that up. All that happened was he asked to switch shifts with a colleague to avoid drama and the drama Gods refused to be denied their sacrifice.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 18:27 GMT
#171016
I swear that half of the people writing these articles lived in an alternate reality growing up. I’ve watched people get fired for liking black people as monkeys, apes and guerrilla’s since the 80s and 90s. In any number of contexts, accidental, harmless and intentional. This is nothing new and not political correctness being out of control.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 18:29 GMT
#171017
Well, it is probably getting renewed attention thanks to their recent poor decision as I know I didn't hear about it when it happened.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 25 2017 18:34 GMT
#171018
I think it's shitty that ESPN decided to fire him and ruin his rep because it was the easy way out.
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
August 25 2017 18:36 GMT
#171019
I honestly don't think it's about racism at all, at least after they've fired him. As the article points out they probably misjudged him calling the guy a gorilla instead of 'guerilla' and now they can't back out of it because it'd be a PR nightmare so they just doubled down
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 25 2017 18:39 GMT
#171020
On August 26 2017 03:27 Plansix wrote:
I swear that half of the people writing these articles lived in an alternate reality growing up. I’ve watched people get fired for liking black people as monkeys, apes and guerrilla’s since the 80s and 90s. In any number of contexts, accidental, harmless and intentional. This is nothing new and not political correctness being out of control.

When I first heard the story this was my opinion, but reading the details of the history of the usage of the term in tennis changed my mind. I had no idea guerilla footing was a concept in the sport, but the guy's lawyer was able to assemble a couple of fairly recent usages of the term.

Basically, gorilla =\= guerilla though they sound the same. Guerilla is a tactic, gorilla is the animal.
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