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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On February 04 2014 09:58 zusch wrote: Talking to me? Not a conspiracy...all the news anchors said the exact same thing word for word. Whenever someone with the username Tyler Durden starts posting about how the media are all conspiring together alarm bells should start going off in your head. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
JON STEWART: Why do we have so much trouble executing the plans with any kind of efficiency? sourceREP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): Well, again, if you're dealing with people who have no agenda, you know, who nothing -- nothing is their agenda and never is our timetable, it's very hard to negotiate with them. So we are responsible. In other words, call us responsible. They know we're going to vote not to shut down government. They know we are going t o vote for the budget no matter how unpleasant it is. The choice we have is to be irresponsible and follow their path or we don't want to be fearmongers but to explain this to the public is very bad news. We want to be positive. STEWART: Aside from that aspect, I meant more in terms of, 'Okay, we are going to set up a health care web site that is an exchange. People are going to come to it.' Why is it so hard to get a company to execute that competently? PELOSI: I don't know. As one who was very -- [Laughter] PELOSI: No, and that is my question. STEWART: Let me get the House Minority Leader here, I can ask her. Hold on. What do you mean you don't know? How do you not know? PELOSI: It's not my responsibility. But I will say this, we worked very hard to honor our responsibility to pass the bill that honors the vowels of our founders: life, a healthier life, liberty to pursue your happiness. Many of my leftist and lean-leftist nonpolitical friends depend on Comedy Central for their news. Now the majority leader claims to be responsible (in contrast to the mean government shutdown opponents), and simultaneously claims she doesn't know why her government health plan turned out so badly. I mean, not even the standard "Well health care and health insurance is so complex and there's so many people so there was bound to be problems." I had become used to the party of Big Government downplaying the size of the problem and emphasizing the complexity of the issues. I guess focus groups showed that ignorance was better than an intricacy discussion. | ||
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zusch
United States73 Posts
On February 04 2014 10:23 KwarK wrote: Whenever someone with the username Tyler Durden starts posting about how the media are all conspiring together alarm bells should start going off in your head. I'm guessing you didn't watch the video and no alarm bells are not ringing in my head because ZH tells you how it is unlike 99% of news and media outlets. I hate to post a video from Conan O'Brian as I hate it when others link me to Jon Stewart for example, but the link I posted has very little actual commentary and from watching the video it is pretty self explanatory that our "independent" news agencies are not actually independent. Instead they are feeding us sheeple the same drivel and we are eating it up. Danglars is spot on with his post regarding ZH. | ||
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
The only thing I see when I visit the GOP website are stupid one liners and a hotline where people can tell the GOP how Obamacare has destroyed their lives. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
That's my problem in choice, I view the republicans (at federal level) as very irresponsible and destructive, while the Democrats are merely incompetent. Neither is a satisfying choice. As a side note, is picking the company done by congress? I'd have suspected that the process of picking the company is done thru bidding and such, and is all handled by the executive; in which case you wouldn't expect a congressperson to know, though you'd hope they be more on top of things. Governments don't fire people enough for incompetence. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On February 04 2014 10:16 Danglars wrote: So ThinkProgress, right? That's a site where economists, newsmen in the financial industry, and bloggers with an eye towards markets post anonymously. Their posts are judged by how they reached their conclusions and the strength of the shown evidence. You will find everywhere sourced graphs and quotes from reputable sources such as IMF, Goldman Sachs Global Investment Research, BLS, Bloomberg News, Federal Reserve. These sources are used by nearly every other popular news media worldwide. You can read on their about page that skeptical examination of financial journalism is one part of their mission, among others like "widen[ing] the scope of financial, economic, and political information available to the professional investing public" and "to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint." The bar has been set quite low with thinkprogress and talkingpointsmemo and a number of other blogs regularly cited here. You can consult Alexa if you wonder where ZH rates globally (hint: more people consult it than previous two examples). If you want a real site for conspiracy theorists, check out Alex Jones'. If you like hearing happy financial news, don't check it out (for it will more often express and back up negative outlooks). If you want news from the political left, go to huffpo, not ZH. If you want to toss your ideological opponents into the crazy heap, grow up. ((I should add, the youtube.com video comes from a comedy show. Is your beef with linking Conan videos, Kwark?)) I wouldn't post from zerohedge even if I became a gold standard libertarian and lived off the kool-aid. Zerohedge is to economic news as LandoverBaptist is to christian traditions. Sure they say sometimes say things that are true or almost believable, but the majority of what they post is delicious troll food. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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zusch
United States73 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:27 KwarK wrote: Been a long time since I saw a non ironic use of the word sheeple. That's enough for me to conclude that my overlords need you silenced so I guess I'm going to have to insist you use "reputable" (read part of the conspiracy) sources or none at all from now on. If you want a second opinion on this policy please feel free to go to website feedback. Sorry I'm new to the forums, but does the hammer next to your name indicate that you are a moderator? And are you saying that you are reporting me to your higher up for using a source that is not "reputable" because you say it isn't? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
teh general theme of commercialism in media is well worn but there's no illuminati or w/e controlling it. it's just the business of media, including news | ||
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zusch
United States73 Posts
Impossible? Think Cyprus. | ||
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zusch
United States73 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:45 oneofthem wrote: the video itself is fine but it's not a strong basis to draw conspiracy from. more likely is that these news services have a centralized provider of scripts to read so each doesn't have to write their own show. teh general theme of commercialism in media is well worn but there's no illuminati or w/e controlling it. it's just the business of media, including news I personally believe there is a higher up power telling these agencies to say exactly what they said. Not that the effort worked as retail sales were extremely weak this holiday season (even Amazon's). | ||
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:39 zusch wrote: Sorry I'm new to the forums, but does the hammer next to your name indicate that you are a moderator? And are you saying that you are reporting me to your higher up for using a source that is not "reputable" because you say it isn't? I am a moderator but the overlords I referred to was the reptilian shadow government. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:46 zusch wrote: You want to hear a conspiracy? The President's MyRA program is the first step in an effort to confiscate the savings of American to pay for the $16 trillion federal deficit. Impossible? Think Cyprus. Creating a voluntary investment vehicle is a far cry from wealth confiscation. | ||
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zusch
United States73 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:53 xDaunt wrote: Creating a voluntary investment vehicle is a far cry from wealth confiscation. Key phrase in my post is "first step." At first it is voluntary, but who know when they will change the rules and it becomes mandatory. And what really is this "investment vehicle?" Obama described it as a "guaranteed reasonable return with zero risk." The only thing he can mean is U.S. treasuries. Not even U.S. treasuries have zero risk, contrary to popular belief. The U.S. is not immune to default. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On February 04 2014 11:29 zlefin wrote: Elected Republicans are indeed very irresponsible and there isn't enough choice between political parties at present. If you want a party of limited government, you have to get beyond auto-yes votes on farm bills for every Republican from a big farm state, and a good host of other Republicans that just work their own pork in later. You and I disagree on why the Democrats are incompetent (it stems from the impossibility of their leftist policies in addition to a more generalized inability to administrate).Or danglars, they're just incompetent. That's my problem in choice, I view the republicans (at federal level) as very irresponsible and destructive, while the Democrats are merely incompetent. Neither is a satisfying choice. As a side note, is picking the company done by congress? I'd have suspected that the process of picking the company is done thru bidding and such, and is all handled by the executive; in which case you wouldn't expect a congressperson to know, though you'd hope they be more on top of things. Governments don't fire people enough for incompetence. For the companies picked, it all depends on the law. If its left up to the bureaucracy (an agency is responsible for entertaining bids), it will be affected to a varying level of lobbying. In this case it was the Department of Health and Human Services (the HHS) Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). The Washington Examiner reported that only one company was considered, and that one very flaky in performance. In any event, the law's crafters consented to letting it go through that process with that specific agency, just as they decided the IRS was the right one to enforce certain provisions (lol) and certain powers granted to HHS secretary's office. In other news, even a cursory examination of ZH on TL would turn up its importance on this site as a news source and an opinion source. It's linked also linked to with some frequency from the world's top-5 breaking news/headline aggregator. The left has its crazies, the right has its crazies, and maybe some of them prefer certain sources to others. That's no reason to silence debate on posts quoted by both if "normal political discussion" also occurs. Heck, if this site warned or banned for using think progress, talkingpointsmemo, and mothergoose in every occurence, I'd say that pursuing it with ZH is very much in line with that policy. If moderators wish to dramatically depart their behavior in the past from their prior website policy, I'd expect to make or post in a Website Feedback thread soon after. And CCStealthBlue's posting frequency would decrease by at least 1/4 if that policy was pursued across the board. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 04 2014 12:00 zusch wrote: Key phrase in my post is "first step." At first it is voluntary, but who know when they will change the rules and it becomes mandatory. And what really is this "investment vehicle?" Obama described it as a "guaranteed reasonable return with zero risk." The only thing he can mean is U.S. treasuries. Not even U.S. treasuries have zero risk, contrary to popular belief. The U.S. is not immune to default. It is no more of a "first step" than selling government bonds. In other words, it is "no step" whatsoever. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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zusch
United States73 Posts
On February 04 2014 12:03 xDaunt wrote: It is no more of a "first step" than selling government bonds. In other words, it is "no step" whatsoever. That is the point. Soon there will no one left to sell government bonds to except U.S. citizens, who will be forced to buy them. | ||
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