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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 20:07:31
August 03 2017 20:03 GMT
#165901


i'm not sure what this means tbh
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 20:10:53
August 03 2017 20:10 GMT
#165902
On August 04 2017 05:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/893192475837378560

i'm not sure what this means tbh

it means very little of note. setting up a grand jury is very routine for any major (involving a felony) investigation.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
August 03 2017 20:12 GMT
#165903
Just that the investigation is making progress, and most likely that it still has some ways to go.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2017 20:14 GMT
#165904
The only thing it tells us is that are at the phase where they are going to be calling people to testify and that he feels the investigation warrants charges. Unlike congress, it is a lot harder to avoid testifying. They don’t request you come, they summon you.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43677 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 20:22:01
August 03 2017 20:16 GMT
#165905
Can Sessions still decline to respond on the grounds that he doesn't know if executive privilege has been invoked and he doesn't want to violate it if it has and it doesn't matter if you tell him it hasn't because it might have been since then and either way he wants to show respect to it preemptively and hypothetically?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 20:20:33
August 03 2017 20:20 GMT
#165906
Sessions cannot do it himself. Trump would need to do it for specific topics, so they would have a clear line to challenge it. He won’t be able to do the thing he did before congress. That was him calling the Senate’s bluff.
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 21:06:00
August 03 2017 20:34 GMT
#165907
On August 04 2017 05:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/kasie/status/893192475837378560

i'm not sure what this means tbh


There was already a Grand Jury, used against Michael Flynn, that Mueller was then using, located in VA.
Opening one directly in DC means he needs more testimony and subpoenas, and this will give him quicker, more immediate access.
He is also continually hiring more people.

Many of the people he's hired are people who've directly worked in cases surrounding Trump in the past. For example, the attorney responsible for making Felix Sater's plea-deal to the FBI is working with Mueller. The last guy he just hired is a prosecutor from the DoJ who worked on foreign-bribery cases.




FCI = Counter-intel. So this guy is saying this proves the investigation is no longer just about Russia, but is seeking criminal indictments in the U.S.

Also, Senate introduced a bill today immunizing Mueller from being fired by Trump without first going through court-oversight.

Trump is fucked. As he should be.


I just, once again, find it pathetic that we're jumping through all these hoops before we impeach him.

We strip him of his Presidential powers, investigate him for treason. He can't negotiate, he has no control of the military. He's just an embarrassment at this point, to everybody. Just impeach him first, would be the practical thing to do, if the House had a spine.
Big water
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 03 2017 20:46 GMT
#165908

Federal investigators exploring whether Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Russian spies have seized on Trump and his associates' financial ties to Russia as one of the most fertile avenues for moving their probe forward, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The web of financial ties could offer a more concrete path toward potential prosecution than the broader and murkier questions of collusion in the 2016 campaign, these sources said.

One year after the FBI opened an investigation, the probe is now managed by special counsel Robert Mueller. Sources described an investigation that has widened to focus on possible financial crimes, some unconnected to the 2016 elections, alongside the ongoing scrutiny of possible illegal coordination with Russian spy agencies and alleged attempts by President Donald Trump and others to obstruct the FBI investigation. Even investigative leads that have nothing to do with Russia but involve Trump associates are being referred to the special counsel to encourage subjects of the investigation to cooperate, according to two law enforcement sources.


www.cnn.com
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2017 20:54 GMT
#165909
Follow the money is applicable on so many levels.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 03 2017 21:02 GMT
#165910

Bit of an addendum to the grand jury news
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2017 21:09 GMT
#165911
As I said, they don’t ask. They just issue subpoenas and force people to show up. The media is going to have a blast playing follow the subpoena.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 03 2017 21:12 GMT
#165912
so does this mean that trump will blow up the sept of baelor soon?
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
August 03 2017 21:18 GMT
#165913
Also, Senate introduced a bill today immunizing Mueller from being fired by Trump without first going through court-oversight.


Is that already decided or are they gonna vote for it soon?
On track to MA1950A.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 03 2017 21:20 GMT
#165914
On August 04 2017 06:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
so does this mean that trump will blow up the sept of baelor soon?


Only once bannon shows him the secret stash of wild fire
Something witty
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 03 2017 21:22 GMT
#165915
US's relations with the EU have taken a hit after Trump's policies of isolationism and the sanctions on Russia without consulting the EU first, potentially damaging EU's energy security. This particular sanctions I think were a mistake by the US, because it could bring Russia and the EU closer. Russia doesn't really need to improve the relations with the US right now that much even if they did exert effort to place Trump in the office. With Trump not being anti-russian and breeding in their neck at every move is enough. If Russia improves it's relations with EU, only the US will lose out. Sending weapons to Ukraine as well, could potentially worsen US EU relations if the conflict gets out of hand? What would you guys think? Russia is content with having satellite states around it's borders which wouldn't join NATO in the near future, I doubt they would escalate the conflict in Ukraine, having Crimea and supporting Donbas in to a deadlock, they would be happy to implement the Minsk agreement of piece right now.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 03 2017 21:23 GMT
#165916
That CNN report has a lot packed into it. Including that Carter Page was the subject of surveillance since 2014 lol.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 21:28:02
August 03 2017 21:23 GMT
#165917
On August 04 2017 06:18 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also, Senate introduced a bill today immunizing Mueller from being fired by Trump without first going through court-oversight.


Is that already decided or are they gonna vote for it soon?


Not voted on yet. But it was introduced with Lindsey Graham and several (R) co-sponsors, so I'm not worried about it.

One of the measures, introduced by Senate Judiciary Committee members Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.), would let Mueller challenge his firing by a panel of three federal judges — but only after he’s been terminated. By contrast, a different proposal from Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) would force the top Justice Department officials who were tasked with firing Mueller to go before the judicial panel before he’s even terminated to explain their reasons for the move.



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/03/robert-mueller-senate-bills-protection-241296
Big water
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
August 03 2017 21:24 GMT
#165918
On August 04 2017 06:12 ticklishmusic wrote:
so does this mean that trump will blow up the sept of baelor soon?

Too stupid for that. He might get Ned Stark beheaded though.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-03 21:26:59
August 03 2017 21:26 GMT
#165919
This particular sanctions I think were a mistake by the US, because it could bring Russia and the EU closer.


Doubtful.

Not voted on yet. But it was introduced with Lindsey Graham and several (R) co-sponsors, so I'm not worried about it.


Cheers, good to hear. Mainly because i know it'll drive Trump mad to see senate strip powers of any kind off of him. :D
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 03 2017 21:27 GMT
#165920
On August 04 2017 06:22 raga4ka wrote:
US's relations with the EU have taken a hit after Trump's policies of isolationism and the sanctions on Russia without consulting the EU first, potentially damaging EU's energy security. This particular sanctions I think were a mistake by the US, because it could bring Russia and the EU closer. Russia doesn't really need to improve the relations with the US right now that much even if they did exert effort to place Trump in the office. With Trump not being anti-russian and breeding in their neck at every move is enough. If Russia improves it's relations with EU, only the US will lose out. Sending weapons to Ukraine as well, could potentially worsen US EU relations if the conflict gets out of hand? What would you guys think? Russia is content with having satellite states around it's borders which wouldn't join NATO in the near future, I doubt they would escalate the conflict in Ukraine, having Crimea and supporting Donbas in to a deadlock, they would be happy to implement the Minsk agreement of piece right now.

Appeasing aggressive dictators has a pretty spotty track record in general.
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