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KwarK
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:22 raga4ka wrote: US's relations with the EU have taken a hit after Trump's policies of isolationism and the sanctions on Russia without consulting the EU first, potentially damaging EU's energy security. This particular sanctions I think were a mistake by the US, because it could bring Russia and the EU closer. Russia doesn't really need to improve the relations with the US right now that much even if they did exert effort to place Trump in the office. With Trump not being anti-russian and breeding in their neck at every move is enough. If Russia improves it's relations with EU, only the US will lose out. Sending weapons to Ukraine as well, could potentially worsen US EU relations if the conflict gets out of hand? What would you guys think? Russia is content with having satellite states around it's borders which wouldn't join NATO in the near future, I doubt they would escalate the conflict in Ukraine, having Crimea and supporting Donbas in to a deadlock, they would be happy to implement the Minsk agreement of piece right now. The EU has no foreign policy mandate and is bearly a governing body while the states that make up the EU are divided enough so that it doesn't really matter what the US does. For a Euro country to have influence on the world stage they need to have a larger partner and the choices are either Russia China or the United States. That isn't going to change any time soon and I'm going to bet that they will side with the side that gives them mc donalds when the chips were down before a a literal socialist state and a nation that glorifys the times when it pressed its jackboots on the throat of most of them. The euro states either have to be complicit in what we do or be ilrelevent in what anyone does. Its their choice if they want their situation to stay the same or get worse. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
I'm always amazed at how dense Wall Street traders are. Like, they really didn't see this news coming, and this is their reaction to it? Amazing. It does go to show that this is big news, even though it should've been easily predicted. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Leporello
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:48 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/fahrenthold/status/893224820003016710 Ok, like how the fuck does this happen? How the fuck is the secret service having a lease dispute with the presidents own company? I don't know why this bothers me so much, but is the peek of incompetent. The man controls both ends of this deal and it still gets fucked up. | ||
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m4ini
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On August 04 2017 06:38 Sermokala wrote: That isn't going to change any time soon and I'm going to bet that they will side with the side that gives them mc donalds when the chips were down before a a literal socialist state and a nation that glorifys the times when it pressed its jackboots on the throat of most of them. While neither EU nor EU member states are keen on russia, you're disconnected from reality if you think that somehow the judgement towards the US would be (very) different. While russia is seen as aggressive, you're seen as unreliable and warmongers. As a small sidenote, quite a few countries in the EU don't chose their allies/enemies based on inherited feuds. Russia and germany for example had extremely good relationships in the past decades (which froze again especially after crimea, but nonetheless) Put it this way. Chosing between russia and the US is like having to vote either for trump or for hillary. The man controls both ends of this deal and it still gets fucked up. He makes the best deals though. He knows how to make them. It's all part of the greater plan. Can't deny that this made me laugh though. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:42 Leporello wrote: https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/893193421476814848 I'm always amazed at how dense Wall Street traders are. Like, they really didn't see this news coming, and this is their reaction to it? Amazing. It does go to show that this is big news, even though it should've been easily predicted. stocks dropped half a percent. that's not even a buying opportunity. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:56 ticklishmusic wrote: stocks dropped half a percent. that's not even a buying opportunity. Amazing what happens when the lowest point on a graph is 99.4% lol | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Americans have been waiting for a solid pay raise for years. Maybe there's good news awaiting them as the country employs more people. The U.S. economic recovery has gone on for eight long years, and the unemployment rate is at a low 4.4 percent. But wage gains have barely budged. That's got economists scratching their heads. Andrew Chamberlain, the chief economist at the jobs and recruiting company Glassdoor, says even as the unemployment rate fell to a 16-year low recently, wage growth has slowed. The company's own data for July confirm that. He says it shows "very sluggish growth, the slowest pace we've recorded in about three years and it's the sixth straight month that pay growth has declined." The Labor Department's numbers aren't quite that bad, but they do show wage growth averaging 2.5 percent in the past four months after peaking at 2.9 percent in December. (The latest figures will be part of Friday's employment report for July.) Chamberlain says wage growth at this stage of an economic recovery should be close to 3.5 percent. Source | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:53 m4ini wrote: While neither EU nor EU member states are keen on russia, you're disconnected from reality if you think that somehow the judgement towards the US would be (very) different. While russia is seen as aggressive, you're seen as unreliable and warmongers. As a small sidenote, quite a few countries in the EU don't chose their allies/enemies based on inherited feuds. Russia and germany for example had extremely good relationships in the past decades (which froze again especially after crimea, but nonetheless) Put it this way. Chosing between russia and the US is like having to vote either for trump or for hillary. He makes the best deals though. He knows how to make them. It's all part of the greater plan. Can't deny that this made me laugh though. I find your view accurate but that it doesn't contradict what I said. The US is Hillary and russia is trump. China is the ubiquitous third party that no one picks. Germany has interests in economically colonizing eastern europe like Poland the sisters and Ukraine neither of which would be very happy with them being more friendly with Russia then the US. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
West Virginia Democratic Gov. Jim Justice plans to announce at a rally Thursday evening with President Trump that he is changing parties, three Republican sources confirmed to Fox News. Fox News Jim Justice was a seriously sketchy individual even before this | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Mohdoo
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On August 04 2017 07:11 Nevuk wrote: Fox News Jim Justice was a seriously sketchy individual even before this | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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The Secret Service is no longer leasing space in President Donald Trump’s eponymous tower in Manhattan, according to the Trump Organization. The Washington Post reported, citing two unnamed sources familiar with the discussions, that the Secret Service left its Midtown digs in Trump Tower after a dispute over the terms of its lease, in particular the price and “other conditions.” Since then, according to the report, the Secret Service relocated its command post to a trailer on the sidewalk below. “After much consideration, it was mutually determined that it would be more cost effective and logistically practical for the Secret Service to lease space elsewhere,” Trump Organization spokeswoman Amanda Miller confirmed to the Washington Post in an email. Secret Service spokeswoman Catherine Milhoan told the Washington Post “there has been no impact to the security plan developed by the Secret Service,” which is looking “to obtain permanent work space in an appropriate location.” Reached by email, General Services Administration spokeswoman Pamela Dixon told TPM that the agency, which handles government leases, “does not comment on projects in active procurement.” Source | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On August 04 2017 07:13 ticklishmusic wrote: he was a republican until 2015, so I got that feeling from him. No idea why he switched, they seem pretty in line with his values on coal etc. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On August 04 2017 07:38 Nevuk wrote: I got that feeling from him. No idea why he switched, they seem pretty in line with his values on coal etc. I can only imagine what his aides are thinking now has an announcement the day and time a Grand Jury story breaks of the guy who just endorsed you. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On August 04 2017 06:52 Plansix wrote: Ok, like how the fuck does this happen? How the fuck is the secret service having a lease dispute with the presidents own company? I don't know why this bothers me so much, but is the peek of incompetent. The man controls both ends of this deal and it still gets fucked up. Trump tries to milk them for every penny they are worth. SS saying 'fuck this, our budget cannot handle this'. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
There needs to be an extra day to process all the news that comes out today. | ||
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