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On July 12 2017 02:04 Wulfey_LA wrote:


NYT had the email and they said they would release it.

On July 12 2017 02:04 Wulfey_LA wrote:


NYT had the email and they said they would release it.

On July 12 2017 02:19 Wulfey_LA wrote:
#FAKENEWS is not sustainable in the face of specific documentary evidence. Sure, the Cultists and Hannityheads will eat that up. But you can't FAKENEWS an actual document. What is DonJR supposed to say? "No, that isn't my email."
When Trump does it against CNN he does it in the context of broad generalizations and avoids specifics, especially specifics about his own statements.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/884821285460615168

On July 12 2017 02:19 Wulfey_LA wrote:
#FAKENEWS is not sustainable in the face of specific documentary evidence. Sure, the Cultists and Hannityheads will eat that up. But you can't FAKENEWS an actual document. What is DonJR supposed to say? "No, that isn't my email."
When Trump does it against CNN he does it in the context of broad generalizations and avoids specifics, especially specifics about his own statements.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/884821285460615168

On July 12 2017 02:06 Gorsameth wrote:

That hasn't stopped them from shout "fake news" before. And his followers would swallow it up.

Instead he, (and by proxy Manafort and Kushner) has now admitted to colluding with a foreign government to influencing the election.

On July 12 2017 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:

So treason has now been effectively confirmed? At this point I'm just thinking back to every conversation on the matter, with die hard Trump supporters playing everything off like it's nbd. Every time someone tried to say it's OK to kill the investigation, because it's just nonsense and won't reveal anything, as if that makes any sense. I was willing to be skeptical, but fuck, the optics on everything just looked so bad from day 1, you'd have to be an idiot to just pass everything off like that. If they're really innocent, just let the investigation happen, you know?

Also worth noting the rich, cloyingly sweet irony of the whole "but her emails" bullshit. Who knew a nothing burger could taste so delicious?

On July 12 2017 02:27 Gorsameth wrote:
The question is "is this illegal" and I don't have the knowledge to answer that question.

Could This Obscure 1990 FEC Opinion Prove That Trump Jr. Committed a Crime? It Just Might.

As the chorus to condemn and convict Donald Trump Jr. of a crime based on his meeting with the Russian lawyer grows louder, I have been skeptical that there is any “there there.” Much of the legal analysis has been based on innuendo and some creative interpretation of the law. Trump Jr. committed treason? I don’t think so. Major stretch. Collusion? Actually, there is technically no such federal law.

However, the most compelling argument I’ve seen thus far is that Trump Jr. might be violating a campaign finance law that prohibits a campaign from soliciting “anything of value … in connection with” an election from a foreign national. But even that is stretch. Why? Because traditionally “in-kind contributions” (i.e. non-monetary contributions) are thought to be things like office furniture, event space, and computers. Would trying to solicit Clinton dirt from a Russian (who Trump Jr. apparently thought was coming from the Russian government) count as anything of value? I didn’t think so at first.

However, this 1990 advisory opinion from the Federal Election Commission is pretty damning for Trump Jr. The opinion was in response to a candidate running for New York’s 22nd Congressional district. He wanted to use poll information paid for by his friend as part of his campaign, and wanted to know if mere information counted as in-kind contribution. The FEC said, yes. The opinion said this:

If, however, Mr. Hochberg (his friend) imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee. 11 CFR 106.4(b).

In other words, mere information can be considered “anything of value” under the law, according to this interpretation.

“I think the solicitation and coordination claims are credible,” Rick Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine School of Law, said in an email to LawNewz.com. “The two big questions are knowledge it was a foreign source (now credible if last night’s New York Times story is correct) as well as if the information being provided counts as ‘anything of value’ for purposes of the law.” Hansen said that given the 1990 advisory opinion, this at least merits “further investigation.”

In a tweet Tuesday afternoon, Donald Trump Jr. posted the email exchange that he had with a man who brokered the meeting with the Russian attorney. In the email, Rob Goldstone told Trump Jr. that “this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and and its government support of Mr. Trump.” So clearly, Trump Jr. knew or thought he was meeting with foreign national, who was supposed to provide something of value to the campaign. But the question is—does this information have any real value in the eyes of the law? Especially considering it turned out the attorney never even possessed said information.

“The FEC’s opinion is relevant in the sense that it means information can be considered a contribution, but there’s a key distinction here,” LawNewz editor and attorney Ronn Blitzer said. “The situation that the FEC examined involved polling data that had already been paid for by someone who was not with the campaign at the time it was collected, and therefore it had a defined monetary value. Based on that, it stands to reason that just getting some dirt on an opponent might not be considered a contribution, unless it was clear that the source of the tip paid for the information.”

So there you have it. The answer to whether Trump Jr. committed a crime is far from an easy one, but this 1990 memo certainly raises the specter that there is more investigating that needs to be done.

On July 12 2017 02:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Does this give the FBI enough evidence to go after them before causing any more damage? Or are they still going to keep investigating. At this point, I would rather like to know what the end result is going to be.

On July 12 2017 02:31 On_Slaught wrote:
Pull Kushners security clearance. Anybody else would have lost it by now.

On July 12 2017 02:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Can't the FBI go arrest Trump Jr. now for conspiracy? The hackers who obtained the emails committed crimes in doing so, and Trump Jr. was a part of it, or at least knew about it and said nothing to the authorities (I assume). So perverting the course of justice at least surely?