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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On July 11 2017 23:54 Danglars wrote: NYT Brooks outdoes himself with the kind of elitism middle America facepalma at. I like how it doesn't even occur to him that she might just think the gourmet sandwich shop serves really shitty food | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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Broetchenholer
Germany1970 Posts
Kellyanne Conway, 12.7.2017 | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:15 Broetchenholer wrote: "Well, so the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians but you know what, that is not even a crime. You know what is a crime? Children sex trafficking. Which Hillary Clinton did from a pizza shack's basement. Why is no one looking into that?" Kellyanne Conway, 12.7.2017 This is actually already happening in Conservative media outlets. First was that collusion is not a crime then started mentioning mental illness is not a serious threat to the presidency. Makes one wonder if events are already in motion. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:25 Velr wrote: Is there a timeline somewhere how exactly this unfolded? The more important timeline is that Trump effectively locked up the Republican nomination on June 7, Trump Jr's meeting was on June 9, Trump tweeted about Hillary's emails on June 9, then Assange promised emails, then team Trump changed the RNC platform to remove lethal assistance to Ukraine, then Assange released the emails. All within the span of a month and a half ("later in the summer" according to Trump Jr). | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:23 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/mviser/status/884801867355697152 Just wait till someone compiles all the statements which are shown to be blatant lies in retrospect. Already seeing some on twitter. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
McCain : I'm deeply troubled by this news, but will vote with the president 100% of the time. Ryan : I've never heard of this... Russia, nor have any of my colleagues in the house. McConnell- performs some ninja trick and hides in the shadows Gowdy : The true crime is Benghazi! Or her emails! I do have to wonder if this is going to have any effect on healthcare reform efforts. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:38 Nevuk wrote: I do have to wonder if this is going to have any effect on healthcare reform efforts. What is dead may never die. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 11 2017 17:55 GreenHorizons wrote: This seems oddly familiar. I suspect it works out about as well in 2018 as it did in 2016. Can't say you didn't know better. The funny thing is that you guys genuinely think the caping you guys do for Democrats is significantly different than the caping Danglars and xDaunt do for Republicans. It has grown as tiresome as you have come to find my periodic reminders that the Democrats are doing it wrong. Just let it soak in that you guys are taking the position that I'm wrong, and Democrats (losing 1000+ seats and the presidency against a cartoon villian of a candidate) are actually making the right moves. See, here's the thing. You're not wrong for criticizing Democrats. You're wrong for not having any consideration beyond "get rid of the Democrats", and any attempts at discussing political nuance with you ultimately comes down to you saying democrats aren't trying hard enough, and they could fix everything by not being democrats. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9077 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:41 WolfintheSheep wrote: See, here's the thing. You're not wrong for criticizing Democrats. You're wrong for not having any consideration beyond "get rid of the Democrats", and any attempts at discussing political nuance with you ultimately comes down to you saying democrats aren't trying hard enough, and they could fix everything by not being democrats. I agree with GH though. They could fix everything by not being Democrats. They are trying to play the high road and have been shown by the republicans that all that matters is winning. The landscape of politics has changed too fast for the democrats in my opinion and they seem to be wrestling on how best to catch up or even the playing field. I think, and this is me, they need to change their entire party structure and change leaders, especially in congress. the DNC is just a clusterfuck, so bail on that for now. Get popular democrats in positions of power and change the narrative as quickly as possibly. Stop blaming republicans for everything and offer an alternative. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32761 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 12 2017 01:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I agree with GH though. They could fix everything by not being Democrats. They are trying to play the high road and have been shown by the republicans that all that matters is winning. The landscape of politics has changed too fast for the democrats in my opinion and they seem to be wrestling on how best to catch up or even the playing field. I think, and this is me, they need to change their entire party structure and change leaders, especially in congress. the DNC is just a clusterfuck, so bail on that for now. Get popular democrats in positions of power and change the narrative as quickly as possibly. Stop blaming republicans for everything and offer an alternative. Yes, but we need to live reality. There has been a version of the Democratic party for as long as our nation itself and has been on every side of history. Good and bad. If being on the losing side of the civil war didn’t purge it from politics, I doubt this will. Ditching/ending “party” is pure cosmetics, the people will still exist in politics in some way. If people want to change things, they need to do it from within one of the existing parties or create a viable third party through local elections. Both of those are very hard to do. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On July 12 2017 02:01 PhoenixVoid wrote: So what's the 4D chess strategy behind this? Bypassing the "dishonest fake news lying media" to be transparent? Being the fall guy for the entire family? Just plain stupidity? NYT had the email and they said they would release it. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On July 12 2017 02:01 PhoenixVoid wrote: So what's the 4D chess strategy behind this? Bypassing the "dishonest fake news lying media" to be transparent? Being the fall guy for the entire family? Just plain stupidity? I vote for plain stupidity. Being the fall guy doesn't work when multiple high profile people you would be trying to protect were in the same meeting. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 12 2017 00:17 ticklishmusic wrote: that lawyer hired yesterday is probably drinking heavily now. "it's part of Russia's and it's governments support for mr Trump' Well then, that got settled quickly. Biggest witch hunt ever in history to be true and confirmed. On July 12 2017 00:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: His next tweets are great too. This whole thing is nuts. | ||
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