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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
June 13 2017 20:52 GMT
#157041
On June 14 2017 05:50 Logo wrote:
I like how we're supposed to believe what Comey did was "Stunning" nearly a year after he did it when these same people were not vocal about it at the time.


Vocal? They were cheering.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
June 13 2017 20:53 GMT
#157042
On June 14 2017 05:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:40 CorsairHero wrote:
whose this lady thats asking questions right now

She sounds like a prosecutor.
You can obviously tell who has a legal background

Her question was important, because Sessions seems to be leaning on the argument that working for the president prevents him from answering any question he feels the president would disapprove of. But he is leaning on some “long standing” justice department policy he can’t cite or name and has not read to back that up.

I had to leave for 2 minutes did she ask him if he talked with the President about using his executive privilege?
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 13 2017 20:54 GMT
#157043
On June 14 2017 05:53 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 05:47 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:40 CorsairHero wrote:
whose this lady thats asking questions right now

She sounds like a prosecutor.
You can obviously tell who has a legal background

Her question was important, because Sessions seems to be leaning on the argument that working for the president prevents him from answering any question he feels the president would disapprove of. But he is leaning on some “long standing” justice department policy he can’t cite or name and has not read to back that up.

I had to leave for 2 minutes did she ask him if he talked with the President about using his executive privilege?


No the focus was on the fact that Sessions is citing this policy that he seems to know nothing about.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2017 20:55 GMT
#157044
On June 14 2017 05:53 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 05:47 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:40 CorsairHero wrote:
whose this lady thats asking questions right now

She sounds like a prosecutor.
You can obviously tell who has a legal background

Her question was important, because Sessions seems to be leaning on the argument that working for the president prevents him from answering any question he feels the president would disapprove of. But he is leaning on some “long standing” justice department policy he can’t cite or name and has not read to back that up.

I had to leave for 2 minutes did she ask him if he talked with the President about using his executive privilege?

No, he couldn’t cite the policy and couldn’t answer if he read it or not to prepare for the hearing. His argument was that he has been in the justice department for many years and therefore they should accept the policy exists because he says it does. Or something. The man is an attorney, but apparently citation is a new thing for him. Maybe he has his staff handle that part.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 20:56:45
June 13 2017 20:56 GMT
#157045
On June 14 2017 05:54 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 05:53 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:47 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:40 CorsairHero wrote:
whose this lady thats asking questions right now

She sounds like a prosecutor.
You can obviously tell who has a legal background

Her question was important, because Sessions seems to be leaning on the argument that working for the president prevents him from answering any question he feels the president would disapprove of. But he is leaning on some “long standing” justice department policy he can’t cite or name and has not read to back that up.

I had to leave for 2 minutes did she ask him if he talked with the President about using his executive privilege?


No the focus was on the fact that Sessions is citing this policy that he seems to know nothing about.


Probably because the second he cites a policy it would constitute potentially (let's be real, actual) lying or misinterpretation. This way it can be all in his head and his ass can't be held to the fire
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
June 13 2017 20:58 GMT
#157046
He doesn't recall much does he
Neosteel Enthusiast
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 13 2017 20:59 GMT
#157047
At least McCain seems to have gotten himself back together.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 21:01:25
June 13 2017 21:00 GMT
#157048
On June 14 2017 05:56 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 05:54 Logo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:53 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:47 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:42 Diavlo wrote:
On June 14 2017 05:40 CorsairHero wrote:
whose this lady thats asking questions right now

She sounds like a prosecutor.
You can obviously tell who has a legal background

Her question was important, because Sessions seems to be leaning on the argument that working for the president prevents him from answering any question he feels the president would disapprove of. But he is leaning on some “long standing” justice department policy he can’t cite or name and has not read to back that up.

I had to leave for 2 minutes did she ask him if he talked with the President about using his executive privilege?


No the focus was on the fact that Sessions is citing this policy that he seems to know nothing about.


Probably because the second he cites a policy it would constitute potentially (let's be real, actual) lying or misinterpretation. This way it can be all in his head and his ass can't be held to the fire

Have no doubt that was the plan. And the excuse that rapid fire questioning makes him nervous is a bit much. He is an attorney and argued cases before judges. Apparently he was good at it. And you don’t do that by getting flustered by aggressive questioning.

On June 14 2017 05:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
He doesn't recall much does he

That is the standard phrase you use when to avoid misstating something under oath. If there is even a chance he might get something incorrect, he will say he does not recall.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 13 2017 21:03 GMT
#157049
I'm disappointed that no one has followed up with Sessions not knowing the policy he is abiding by.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 21:08:17
June 13 2017 21:04 GMT
#157050


Pretty much my assessment.

On June 14 2017 06:03 Logo wrote:
I'm disappointed that no one has followed up with Sessions not knowing the policy he is abiding by.

It is a fruitless quest. Sessions isn’t going to answer anything that will get him in trouble and congresses isn’t going to hold his feet to the coals for it. He knows it. He just needs to get through this and not get in trouble.

As one reporter said “Sessions has a audience of one today”
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
June 13 2017 21:09 GMT
#157051
On June 14 2017 06:04 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/domeniconpr/status/874732800301293570

Pretty much my assessment.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 06:03 Logo wrote:
I'm disappointed that no one has followed up with Sessions not knowing the policy he is abiding by.

It is a fruitless quest. Sessions isn’t going to answer anything that will get him in trouble and congresses isn’t going to hold his feet to the coals for it. He knows it. He just needs to get through this and not get in trouble.

As one reporter said “Sessions has a audience of one today”


That's the part I'm disappointed in though.
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
June 13 2017 21:14 GMT
#157052
On June 14 2017 06:04 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/domeniconpr/status/874732800301293570

Pretty much my assessment.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 06:03 Logo wrote:
I'm disappointed that no one has followed up with Sessions not knowing the policy he is abiding by.

It is a fruitless quest. Sessions isn’t going to answer anything that will get him in trouble and congresses isn’t going to hold his feet to the coals for it. He knows it. He just needs to get through this and not get in trouble.

As one reporter said “Sessions has a audience of one today”

At least they asked him to provide the policy in question and to discuss with the WH whether or not there were area where he could disclose discussions with Trump to help the committee.
Of course he can come back saying he didnt ask but at least that's something.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 21:26:21
June 13 2017 21:25 GMT
#157053
On June 14 2017 06:14 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 06:04 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/domeniconpr/status/874732800301293570

Pretty much my assessment.

On June 14 2017 06:03 Logo wrote:
I'm disappointed that no one has followed up with Sessions not knowing the policy he is abiding by.

It is a fruitless quest. Sessions isn’t going to answer anything that will get him in trouble and congresses isn’t going to hold his feet to the coals for it. He knows it. He just needs to get through this and not get in trouble.

As one reporter said “Sessions has a audience of one today”

At least they asked him to provide the policy in question and to discuss with the WH whether or not there were area where he could disclose discussions with Trump to help the committee.
Of course he can come back saying he didnt ask but at least that's something.

If the senators are unhappy with how he answered the questions, they can call him back. Or demand Trump detail to them which question he would invoke executive privilege for. I’m not holding my breath, but the Senate might do that. It is hard to gauge how much good will Sessions has burned through.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 13 2017 21:36 GMT
#157054
this is pretty funny



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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 21:43:32
June 13 2017 21:42 GMT
#157055


NPR is pulling up some choice Session quotes from when he got to ask questions. Sessions really lives up to all my expectations as a slimy southern lawyer peddling that good old boy charm.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
jaeboss
Profile Blog Joined April 2017
68 Posts
June 13 2017 22:28 GMT
#157056
this was a real face palm moment

Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 22:35:51
June 13 2017 22:33 GMT
#157057
I'm surprised people expected Sessions to give the witch hunters ammo.

I didn't get to watch, but from everything I'm seeing, Kamala Harris is everything I want from a CA senator: an ass and an idiot. She's so perfect for this state. And to think that I thought Loretta Sanchez could have been an bigger embarrassment! How foolish I was.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 22:54:48
June 13 2017 22:44 GMT
#157058
I still don't understand how anyone is defending Sessions refusal to answer questions related to conversations with Trump. Sessions clearly states that only the President can invoke executive privilege and that the President has not invoked executive privilege. How can you refuse to answer with no legal justification for not answering the questions? What is the point of testimony under oath if you can refuse to answer basic questions without invoking some sort of legal justification for the refusal? (5th amendment, executive privilege, etc)

That should be offensive to everyone on that committee and all Americans, D or R. I can't believe the bullshit party games that get played on both sides or the partisan hacks in the general public that let their team slide but lambaste the other. It has been and will always be a problem but it seems to have only gotten worse.

I was a registered Independent until 2016 when I registered as a Democrat so that I could vote in the Democratic primaries and I fail to see why anyone would value their party membership over having a functioning, non-corrupt government. If people are doing bad things I don't care if they're R or D, why is that so goddamn important to people?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 13 2017 23:05 GMT
#157059
Sounds like the testimony was pretty much a wash.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 23:08:49
June 13 2017 23:06 GMT
#157060
people are tribalistic; they tend to defend the in-group from out-group no matter what.
also, the people who are the loudest tend to be the more partisan ones. the reasonable folk mostly try to stay out of online discussions
finally, most people don't have the knowledge or skills to tell the difference between what's truly bad for the functioning of a government and what isn't.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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