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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 23:17:05
June 13 2017 23:16 GMT
#157061
It wasn't anywhere near as good as the Comey testimony.

The sessions testimony was a couple hundred I don't knows, I don't recalls, I don't remember, I don't think, I'm not aware etcs.

Pretty boring all round.

The executive privilege thing is garbage though.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2017 23:33 GMT
#157062
On June 14 2017 07:33 Introvert wrote:
I'm surprised people expected Sessions to give the witch hunters ammo.

I didn't get to watch, but from everything I'm seeing, Kamala Harris is everything I want from a CA senator: an ass and an idiot. She's so perfect for this state. And to think that I thought Loretta Sanchez could have been an bigger embarrassment! How foolish I was.

You are in luck, CA loves her and I'm sure the Republican leadership will keep hushing and interrupting her every time they get a chance.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 23:38:59
June 13 2017 23:38 GMT
#157063
On June 14 2017 07:33 Introvert wrote:
I'm surprised people expected Sessions to give the witch hunters ammo.

I didn't get to watch, but from everything I'm seeing, Kamala Harris is everything I want from a CA senator: an ass and an idiot. She's so perfect for this state. And to think that I thought Loretta Sanchez could have been an bigger embarrassment! How foolish I was.

Sanchez used to be my congresswoman. She'd be an embarrassment too, but it would be futile to try and gather who'd be worse since they're both so bad in diverse areas.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 13 2017 23:40 GMT
#157064
NPR talks to a Texas law professor about Sessions invoking executive privilege without really doing it. Basically he is attempting to avoid executive privilege being challenged but avoiding using it. They are playing chicken with the Senate Republicans. It is about 5 minutes.

NPR interview
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 13 2017 23:55 GMT
#157065
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 00:53:11
June 14 2017 00:21 GMT
#157066
Northam wins Virginia primary. surprisingly large margin, I have no idea what remaining votes look like so may tighten.

Stewart who is running on an explicitly pro-trump and anti confederate monument removal platform within 2 points of Gillespe.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/virginia-governor-northam-perriello-gillespie-stewart-239517


also this seems a good way to make russia questions go away.

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 00:55:43
June 14 2017 00:36 GMT
#157067
about 380k dems voting in the primaries vs 270k for the reps (with about 3/4 reporting). dunno if it means anything.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
June 14 2017 00:49 GMT
#157068
On June 14 2017 09:21 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Northam wins Virginia primary. surprisingly large margin, I have no idea what remaining votes look like so may tighten.

Stewart who is running on an explicitly pro-trump and anti confederate monument platform within 2 points of Gillespe.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/virginia-governor-northam-perriello-gillespie-stewart-239517


also this seems a good way to make russia questions go away.

https://twitter.com/politico_45/status/874672602865971200

Seems like a paradox to be pro-trump and anti-confederate. Isn't his base full of racists and deplorables? /s
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 01:10:44
June 14 2017 00:51 GMT
#157069
On June 14 2017 09:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
about 380k dems voting in the primaries vs 270k for the reps (with about 2/4 reporting). dunno if it means anything.


throws water in the idea that going all in on national anti-trump will drive turnout (Perriello was really hoping for high turnout). Could be people were expecting Gillespie to win so Repub turnout was lower. not sure what it means other than that. guess it sticks to the idea that politics is local not national. Perriello not able to boost rural turnout and young voter turnout as much as he wanted too. Overall their policies were pretty similar so it was more just showing that a pure antitrump message won't win primaries. fivethirtyeight did a good preview https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-to-watch-for-in-virginias-gubernatorial-primaries/


also implies that the GOP has a serious Trump problem if trends continue. article's been updated with more information. a good read. down to .6 percent lead with 77 percent in. (update down to .36 but it looks like unreported areas good for Gillespe so he should pull it off.)

Stewart’s performance was already causing alarm among GOP operatives. Tim Miller, who served as Jeb Bush’s communications director, wrote on Twitter that Stewart’s success was “a wake up call to establishment GOP types who think Trump is a Black Swan.”

It’s an “incredible reminder of the outsized influence Trump holds over Republican primary voters,” said another Republican strategist, who noted that several “Never Trump” Republicans in Congress should now be on high alert ahead of next year’s primaries.




http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/virginia-governor-northam-perriello-gillespie-stewart-239517

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 14 2017 00:51 GMT
#157070
On June 14 2017 09:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 09:21 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Northam wins Virginia primary. surprisingly large margin, I have no idea what remaining votes look like so may tighten.

Stewart who is running on an explicitly pro-trump and anti confederate monument platform within 2 points of Gillespe.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/virginia-governor-northam-perriello-gillespie-stewart-239517


also this seems a good way to make russia questions go away.

https://twitter.com/politico_45/status/874672602865971200

Seems like a paradox to be pro-trump and anti-confederate. Isn't his base full of racists and deplorables? /s


I mean anti-monument removal. my brain went too fast
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 14 2017 01:01 GMT
#157071
I predict that Trump's unpopular presidency will lead to more "scares" for the Republicans that will ultimately result merely in closer Republican wins than expected. The Democrats are unfortunately really bad at a message beyond "fuck Russia" and they're going all in on that in beautiful McCarthy style.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 14 2017 01:12 GMT
#157072
I am sure the Russia investigation will not play a major role in the 2018 election when compared to the healthcare and tax cuts for the wealthy. The GOP is all ready facing a head win in 2018 just by being the party in power and they are doing themselves no favors with this nightmare bill.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 01:14:45
June 14 2017 01:13 GMT
#157073
to be fair Russia is in the headlines at the moment. and the Senate Health care bill hasn't been proposed and there's no information on it. Dems could do a better job of focusing on bills they have or are trying to submit (like the drug reduction bill) but since those bills are obviously going nowhere kind of hard to make news about it.

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 14 2017 01:14 GMT
#157074
On June 14 2017 09:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
about 380k dems voting in the primaries vs 270k for the reps (with about 3/4 reporting). dunno if it means anything.

538 at least seemed to think that it was a heavily democrat favored race in the general when they talked about it on their recent podcast.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 01:16:50
June 14 2017 01:16 GMT
#157075
On June 14 2017 10:14 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 09:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
about 380k dems voting in the primaries vs 270k for the reps (with about 3/4 reporting). dunno if it means anything.

538 at least seemed to think that it was a heavily democrat favored race in the general when they talked about it on their recent podcast.


Virginia is pretty dominant Dem for statewide races. Will be interesting what happens to the Stewart Voters in the general (will the automatically get behind GIllespe or will they demand he go further right?). If they drag him right or don't show up to the general that is very very very bad news for the GOP.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 01:26:32
June 14 2017 01:17 GMT
#157076
On June 14 2017 10:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
to be fair Russia is in the headlines at the moment. and the Senate Health care bill hasn't been proposed and there's no information on it. Dems could do a better job of focusing on bills they have or are trying to submit (like the drug reduction bill) but since those bills are obviously going nowhere kind of hard to make news about it.


They have no power to grab headlines or do anything at this point. People want them to oppose Trumpcare tooth and nail, but there isn't much they can do except complain about it. That thing needs a CBO score and a pending vote. Then it will be the center of attention.



Welcome to the next 20 years thanks demonizing government to get elected to government Democrats need to come down from the high ground no one is fighting for. This is going to be won in the dirt.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 14 2017 01:22 GMT
#157077
On June 14 2017 10:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 10:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
to be fair Russia is in the headlines at the moment. and the Senate Health care bill hasn't been proposed and there's no information on it. Dems could do a better job of focusing on bills they have or are trying to submit (like the drug reduction bill) but since those bills are obviously going nowhere kind of hard to make news about it.


They have no power to grab headlines or do anything at this point. People want them to oppose Trumpcare tooth and nail, but there isn't much they can do except complain about it. That thing needs a CBO score and a pending vote. Then it will be the center of attention.

I thought it had a new CBO score. It's just totally DOA in the senate, so no one is really paying attention to it anymore
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 14 2017 01:25 GMT
#157078
On June 14 2017 10:22 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 10:17 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 10:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
to be fair Russia is in the headlines at the moment. and the Senate Health care bill hasn't been proposed and there's no information on it. Dems could do a better job of focusing on bills they have or are trying to submit (like the drug reduction bill) but since those bills are obviously going nowhere kind of hard to make news about it.


They have no power to grab headlines or do anything at this point. People want them to oppose Trumpcare tooth and nail, but there isn't much they can do except complain about it. That thing needs a CBO score and a pending vote. Then it will be the center of attention.

I thought it had a new CBO score. It's just totally DOA in the senate, so no one is really paying attention to it anymore

I can't even tell. All I know is people are terrified it will pass. I wouldn't put is past them at all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 14 2017 01:28 GMT
#157079
On June 14 2017 10:25 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 10:22 Nevuk wrote:
On June 14 2017 10:17 Plansix wrote:
On June 14 2017 10:13 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
to be fair Russia is in the headlines at the moment. and the Senate Health care bill hasn't been proposed and there's no information on it. Dems could do a better job of focusing on bills they have or are trying to submit (like the drug reduction bill) but since those bills are obviously going nowhere kind of hard to make news about it.


They have no power to grab headlines or do anything at this point. People want them to oppose Trumpcare tooth and nail, but there isn't much they can do except complain about it. That thing needs a CBO score and a pending vote. Then it will be the center of attention.

I thought it had a new CBO score. It's just totally DOA in the senate, so no one is really paying attention to it anymore

I can't even tell. All I know is people are terrified it will pass. I wouldn't put is past them at all.

Well, it's the senate bill to be concerned about. The house bill was literally just ego stroking for trump. It's likely to be far less extreme, but still bad. It will get a CBO score but will not be made public so... ehhh.

Take your pick of website, they all say the same thing.
Senate GOP members are close to finishing the legislative text of their bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, but the public won't get to see it anytime soon, Axios' Caitlin Owens reported Monday.

The bill will be sent to the Congressional Budget Office to receive a score some time in the next few days, according to Axios, but the text will not be posted publicly.

A GOP aide told Axios that not releasing the text of the bill is because "we aren't stupid."

The American Health Care Act, House Republican leaders' legislation aimed at repealing and replacing Obamacare, received low marks from the public upon its release in March. According to a poll by Quinnipiac University, the AHCA as drafted by the House received a 21% approval rating and 56% disapproval.

The secrecy is a marked contrast to years of Republican attacks on the process surrounding the Affordable Care Act, the law colloquially known as Obamacare, for what they called "backroom deals" out of the public eye.

GOP Senate leaders have suggested they plan to vote on the bill before the week-long July 4 recess.

http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-republican-healthcare-bill-cbo-score-2017-6
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
June 14 2017 01:37 GMT
#157080
In Virginia you have the option to choose to vote in whichever primary when you show up, but none of the options on either side were appealing to me. When the guy at the precinct asked me if I was voting Democrat or Republican, I was tempted to say neither and just walk out.

Guess I'm glad Northam is coming out on the Dem side, I suppose all hope has not been lost, yet. Our options in the 2013 race on both sides seemed much stronger.
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