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Wulfey_LA
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 10 2017 02:08 Plansix wrote: I will be surprised if they follow through with the threat. Trump's attorney is in over his head and I bet that he knows it. The threat to bring a complaint against Comey was standard practice for Trump as a private citizen. So I'm willing to give Trump's attorney the benefit of the doubt that he was not aware that would be obstruction now that Trump is POTUS. Like most professional fields, there is no way any attorney can know all aspects of law. It is why they focus on specific fields. Of course he's in over his head. People who aren't over their head 1) don't misspell President and 2) revise their copy after being browbeaten into changing it by their client. Retaining his crony for this is equally as dumb as retaining his past bodyguards, but he can't fathom he doesn't know "the best people." | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
Some reoccuring themes: He did not have faith in either justice dept of obama or trump to do what they were supposed to do, media bias is real, trump is a tool. Or Comey is a liar! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On May 29 2017 10:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'd love to actually. I agree with him on a bunch of things but I've always found something off-putting about him so would be very interested. Actually so would i, so i think the rant belongs here 🙃 | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
On June 10 2017 02:29 biology]major wrote: Thanks to Comey we know that the AG lynch was impartial, multiple media reports were dead wrong, president trump was not personally under investigation (at that time), Trump is a unethical tool, Sessions had another undisclosed meeting, Comey himself tried to set up the creation of a special counsel. Some reoccuring themes: He did not have faith in either justice dept of obama or trump to do what they were supposed to do, media bias is real, trump is a tool. Or Comey is a liar! Medias can get things wrong without necessarily acting in bad faith. Errare humanum est. The NYT wrote an editorial saying they would have liked to know specifically what they got wrong. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On June 10 2017 02:48 Biff The Understudy wrote: Medias can get thibgs wrong without necessarily acting in bad faith. Errare humanum est. The NYT wrote an editorial saying they would have liked to know specifically what they got wrong. We won't know the ones they failed to report on purpose, esp the fact that Trump was not under investigation, which Comey's memos would have clearly revealed. How are you going to prove if NYT/CNN/WaPo or whoever simply don't talk about leaks that make the president look good? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
The distinction is kind of a relevant one IMO, but it's not surprising it's glossed over as Republicans froth at the mouth that they've confirmed Trump wasn't under personal investigation for Russia ties. Unless there's another article from them I missed. On June 10 2017 02:56 biology]major wrote: We won't know the ones they failed to report on purpose, esp the fact that Trump was not under investigation, which Comey's memos would have clearly revealed. How are you going to prove if NYT/CNN/WaPo or whoever simply don't talk about leaks that make the president look good? Thing is, many of these leaks are also going to Fox in one way or another. They would talk about the leaks that make the President look good. There just aren't any. | ||
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brian
United States9617 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:06 brian wrote: i just want to add, bio major, i don't think impartial means what you think it means. only because this is the second time you've posted that ex-AG Lynch was impartial. and in light of the testimony and your views i'm pretty sure you don't intend to call her impartial. Oh oops, yep replace impartial with partial as fk | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:12 biology]major wrote: Oh oops, yep replace impartial with partial as fk If that is the case, I think you misread that testimony and the response afterwards. The discussion to call the email investigation a “matter” rather than an “investigation” was an agreement between the FBI and Justice on how to respond to questions before congress. They were agreeing on what to call it at the hearing, since they had decided NOT to call it an investigation yet. On June 10 2017 02:56 biology]major wrote: We won't know the ones they failed to report on purpose, esp the fact that Trump was not under investigation, which Comey's memos would have clearly revealed. How are you going to prove if NYT/CNN/WaPo or whoever simply don't talk about leaks that make the president look good? Even Fox’s reporting team doesn’t do that. The leak will find someone to publish it, so that isn’t a real concern. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:17 ticklishmusic wrote: reposting this from yesterday: https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/872931885936234497 It's not the kind of thing that I find to be a big deal. When you fight against hackers in any context, you don't tell them what you're doing to counteract them, and sometimes you don't even tell them that you're doing it at all. Keeping investigations on the hush-hush, unless absolutely necessary, doesn't sound out of line to me, unless I'm missing something. Partisan Republicans, on the other hand, tried to use it as an excuse to "question Comey's integrity", which I find laughable. That's not a road you want to go down when Trump is the president in question. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:17 ticklishmusic wrote: reposting this from yesterday: https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/872931885936234497 I will take Comey's word over that statement tbh. He considered it unusual and you could indeed consider Lynch to have acted improper. What the Republicans fail to understand is that it is a minor issue and that is changes nothing about the situation surrounding Trumps campaign and staff. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21666 Posts
On June 10 2017 02:56 biology]major wrote: We won't know the ones they failed to report on purpose, esp the fact that Trump was not under investigation, which Comey's memos would have clearly revealed. How are you going to prove if NYT/CNN/WaPo or whoever simply don't talk about leaks that make the president look good? Because people did not expect Trump to be personally under investigation? (almost) Everyone around him is under investigation and if the investigations find evidence of wrong doings the next question will be 'Did Trump know about this'. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
i do believe comey is a good guy and generally his conduct is understandable, but lynch hasn't given me any reason to doubt her integrity at any point really. i wouldn't take lynch's account of the events over comey's 100%, but i do find it to generally be a plausible explanation. it does feel a little bit like boy scout comey needs to make others look less like boy scouts in order to keep his image up. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:40 Gorsameth wrote: Because people did not expect Trump to be personally under investigation? (almost) Everyone around him is under investigation and if the investigations find evidence of wrong doings the next question will be 'Did Trump know about this'. And even if he didn't know about it, should he have known about it? For me the biggest thing right now is Kushner's alleged actions. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On June 10 2017 03:40 Gorsameth wrote: Because people did not expect Trump to be personally under investigation? (almost) Everyone around him is under investigation and if the investigations find evidence of wrong doings the next question will be 'Did Trump know about this'. Defender's of Trump have been repeatedly latching onto that meaningless defense, that he is personally not under investigation. Specifically a counter-intelligence investigation, which does not preclude another form of personal investigation. Nor does it preclude an investigation into his campaign and the people that surround him in office. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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