EPTTo my mind, that's the one really good thing Trump could do: take a look at very old programs that just run that way because of tradition (*cue Fiddler on the Roof) and evaluate it in with the view of despite its neatness, is that really the best use of taxpayers money?
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Falling
Canada11378 Posts
To my mind, that's the one really good thing Trump could do: take a look at very old programs that just run that way because of tradition (*cue Fiddler on the Roof) and evaluate it in with the view of despite its neatness, is that really the best use of taxpayers money? | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 30 2017 12:38 Plansix wrote: I have this wild theory: it is everyone's fault. From Clinton for running a terrible campaign. Her supporters for dismissing all her flaws as fake or made up. The DNC for clearing the path for her and trying so hard to shut down Sanders. Sanders for being unable reign in his own supporters to this fucking day. Everyone should just decide which group they were part of in that mess and look to their own shit, rather than pointing the finger literally everyone else. The one reason am not member of Democratic party is I cannot deal with the left trying to eat its own while civil rights are on the chopping block. whoa something I agree with. Unfortunately, if you have heard HRC speak recently, or the democratic platform, there isn't much introspection. The same way Trump challenged the establishment, the dems need now more than ever a leader to challenge the party itself. I think Biden can pull it off and win easily vs Trump. It wouldn't even be close. The rest of the contenders in the running for 2020, I'm not sure about. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 30 2017 13:26 biology]major wrote: whoa something I agree with. Unfortunately, if you have heard HRC speak recently, or the democratic platform, there isn't much introspection. The same way Trump challenged the establishment, the dems need now more than ever a leader to challenge the party itself. I think Biden can pull it off and win easily vs Trump. It wouldn't even be close. The rest of the contenders in the running for 2020, I'm not sure about. Introspection is a private and internal. Do not expect it to be displayed publicly, as that goes against the very core of the word. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 30 2017 12:59 NewSunshine wrote: So we have one party that's completely useless, with another party actively looking to fuck over minorities, in the name of "eliminating waste". They gotta cut something in an attempt to balance the budget. It alternates between being sad and funny, but more sad these days. I'm guessing one of the more "completely useless" facets of the Democratic Party is pretending the GOP is "actively looking to fuck over minorities." It's a cute propaganda line, but pretty sad and funny in its own right. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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GreenHorizons
United States23494 Posts
On May 30 2017 13:41 Danglars wrote: I'm guessing one of the more "completely useless" facets of the Democratic Party is pretending the GOP is "actively looking to fuck over minorities." It's a cute propaganda line, but pretty sad and funny in its own right. Well they do most frequently because minorities tend to vote Democrat and they suppress the vote of people that are unlikely to vote for them. They also happen to be the party that gets the support of the most openly racist parts of this country (literal KKK) But I don't buy into the fight that it's Republicans chopping civil rights and Democrats saving them (as if that's enough), more like both of them encroaching on civil rights/liberties wherever it benefits them politically. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 30 2017 13:58 GreenHorizons wrote: Well they do most frequently because minorities tend to vote Democrat and they suppress the vote of people that are unlikely to vote for them. They also happen to be the party that gets the support of the most openly racist parts of this country (literal KKK) But I don't buy into the fight that it's Republicans chopping civil rights and Democrats saving them (as if that's enough), more like both of them encroaching on civil rights/liberties wherever it benefits them politically. I can go with both parties encroaching on civil rights/liberties when it benefits them politically. Probably in different forms that what you consider salient, but the same issue generally speaking. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23494 Posts
On May 30 2017 14:15 Danglars wrote: I can go with both parties encroaching on civil rights/liberties when it benefits them politically. Probably in different forms that what you consider salient, but the same issue generally speaking. Can you concede that Republicans do try to prevent people from voting (Democrats in NY do this to Republicans with absurd election schedules) and because black people so disproportionately vote Democrat that means they disproportionately target/prevent black people from voting? So that even if you believe it's not a racially motivated (or that they are okay with the premise of increasing burdens to participate in voting) as a result of their race, that it's indistinguishable/an irrelevant distinction for black people when it comes to answering whether the Republican party is looking to fuck over minorities or not? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On May 30 2017 13:29 Plansix wrote: Introspection is a private and internal. Do not expect it to be displayed publicly, as that goes against the very core of the word. he's talking about the appearance of introspection-effects obviously. the very core of the word dude? what? spectare? look? isn't the intro peripheral? can i introspect at you? | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
As you know, quite a few major Obama raisers and donors have been put off by the way they've been treated ... so their feedback is valuable to HQ in terms of tweaking policy, messaging, tone, etc .. big donors usually have ideas/advice and want to feel like they are being heard I see Bernie's aggressive messaging against the oligarchy as a result of him simply taking less money from them, and it clearly appeals to people. If the party could grow substantially in size (by bringing in 10-20% of eligible non-voters?) because of this type of messaging, then their political power will grow and they will be able to put into effect major changes such as single payer healthcare and so forth, even if such things seem unattainable (and, to your mind, an unrealistic message) at first. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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Artesimo
Germany564 Posts
On May 30 2017 18:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Why aren't the media ripping Team Trump more on Erdogans goons beating up protesters? It's literally the whole 'foreigners come here and use violence against US citizens' fear mongering that he got elected for yet he seems fine with it. I already asked that question, apparently there is just to much shit going on which is much more serious (in their eyes) to focus on this one. I still don't fully understand this as it isn't really a Trump-issue and more of a case of a foreign leader not really respecting the authority of the USA... that plus I always thought that free speech is one of the most important values to US citizens. It would propably be fair to critisize Trump on not calling erdogan out for it, but the incident itself should be a issue to everyone, disregarding of political beliefs... As I said when I asked the same question, to me as a german this incident has a lot of weight, from the disrespect towards the values of the USA to the similiarity to the incident happening when the shah of iran was visiting germany in 1967. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Gahlo
United States35163 Posts
On May 30 2017 19:21 Artesimo wrote: I already asked that question, apparently there is just to much shit going on which is much more serious (in their eyes) to focus on this one. I still don't fully understand this as it isn't really a Trump-issue and more of a case of a foreign leader not really respecting the authority of the USA... that plus I always thought that free speech is one of the most important values to US citizens. It would propably be fair to critisize Trump on not calling erdogan out for it, but the incident itself should be a issue to everyone, disregarding of political beliefs... As I said when I asked the same question, to me as a german this incident has a lot of weight, from the disrespect towards the values of the USA to the similiarity to the incident happening when the shah of iran was visiting germany in 1967. A lot of people think that nothing can be done about it because of diplomatic immunity. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Even after all the meetings he still doesn't understand how NATO works, nor how trade works with the EU single market If he doesn't get ousted soon the whole Atlantic relationship will go up in flames. It's such a fucking waste of a good thing, I can't believe it. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Trump wants to be a dictator. Let's just be honest about that. As things get closer to removal, he will be screaming for revolt. He did it before the election, calling it "rigged". This will obviously be worse than that. When he's gone, I feel like the entire nation should get a refresher course on 20th century history, and why throwing European alliances away so you can play with Russia in the Syrian sands is an unjustifiably insane idea. Some people are going to need the RT/Sputnik/Hannity/WikiLeak bullshit washed out of their ears. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 30 2017 20:38 Gahlo wrote: A lot of people think that nothing can be done about it because of diplomatic immunity. Yup. Beyond a condemnation (which I believe the Trump admin did issue) it's difficult to do much unless you want to escalate the issue substantially. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On May 30 2017 10:20 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Actually I didnt mind his words, I meant the bit he "quoted". It essentially tells us how effective talking down to people is... Like "I dont feel respected' is actually a pretty valid thing to say. Expecting people to overcome this layer of hostility, consider your underlying points and see that, lo, they are good and vote accordingly is expecting an awful lot. I don't think the DNC can realistically solve this issue, they will always come across as disrespecting "real America" simply by virtue of being a party mostly for educated people living in cities, who benefit from a global economy, whose arguments are rational rather than emotional. The sort of oversimplified narrative that the GOP specializes in, like "stop the liberal freakshow from taking away our freedom" can hardly be reversed and used to galvanize the Democratic base, it would go against everything liberals stand for such as adherence to norms. | ||
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