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RealityIsKing
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 26 2017 09:57 RealityIsKing wrote: This will likely not be popular, but I would hope that Obama would do the same thing. Sorry, but the U.S. is a tad more important than Montenegro. Maneuvering in front of him respectfully, maybe, if you're in the mood to push it. Actively pushing him aside and posturing like an insecure manchild? The level of denial you'd have to have to not feel a wave of shame after doing something so crass is almost unimaginable. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 26 2017 09:21 Plansix wrote: The lack of a commitment to both Russian sanctions and article 5 is deeply troubling. It's bonkers to me that this isn't even grounded in solid reasoning. It's based off of Trump's personal vendettas and favoritism. His campaign single-handedly changed the Republican party platform on Russia because ?????, and now Republicans just all look like a bunch of stooges by association. Thank god for everyone working behind the scenes to try to clean up the ill will he's creating, but I underestimated just how much damage one guys personal relationships could have on foreign policy. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 26 2017 09:57 RealityIsKing wrote: This will likely not be popular, but I would hope that Obama would do the same thing. Sorry, but the U.S. is a tad more important than Montenegro. if I'm trying to put Merkel or any former german chancellor in that position... I'd at least hope they do it off camera, a bit more tactful without looking like an idiot | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:06 NewSunshine wrote: Maneuvering in front of him respectfully, maybe, if you're in the mood to push it. Actively pushing him aside and posturing like an insecure manchild? The level of denial you'd have to have to not feel a wave of shame after doing something so crass is almost unimaginable. Trump had his head turned to the right. Guy in front stops suddenly. Trump tries to avoid collision. End of story. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 26 2017 09:57 RealityIsKing wrote: This will likely not be popular, but I would hope that Obama would do the same thing. Sorry, but the U.S. is a tad more important than Montenegro. which EXACT "same thing" are you referring to? just wanna be clear to formulate a response. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:08 Tachion wrote: It's bonkers to me that this isn't even grounded in solid reasoning. It's based off of Trump's personal vendettas and favoritism. His campaign single-handedly changed the Republican party platform on Russia because ?????, and now Republicans just all look like a bunch of stooges by association. Thank god for everyone working behind the scenes to try to clean up the ill will he's creating, but I underestimated just how much damage one guys personal relationships could have on foreign policy. These nations work with US to deal with terrorist and keep us safe. If they really start withholding intel, it isn't going to be great. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:12 RealityIsKing wrote: Trump had his head turned to the right. Guy in front stops suddenly. Trump tries to avoid collision. End of story. Wow, you trumpets really do live in a parallel dimension. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/ye844js13ozy.gif) That's a new level of pettiness, and i very much doubt Obama would've done this. Say what you will about that guy, he's classy. Like, you know, a president should be, regardless of his agendas. You voted a monkey into office that doesn't let an opportunity slip to confirm every american stereotype ever. Personally, if that was the head of my country? I'd feel humiliated. That's the guy you chose to represent you. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:26 m4ini wrote: Wow, you trumpets really do live in a parallel dimension. + Show Spoiler + That's a new level of pettiness, and i very much doubt Obama would've done this. Say what you will about that guy, he's classy. Like, you know, a president should be, regardless of his agendas. You voted a monkey into office that doesn't let an opportunity slip to confirm every american stereotype ever. Personally, if that was the head of my country? I'd feel humiliated. That's the guy you chose to represent you. To be fair most people voted against the opposing candidate this election. So us trumpets got not-hillary. Mission accomplished, but this rocketship has a lot of turbulence, big league, believe me. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:34 biology]major wrote: To be fair most people voted against the opposing candidate this election. So us trumpets got not-hillary. Mission accomplished, but this rocketship has a lot of turbulence, big league, believe me. Well, we could go into a rant on how dumb the election system in the US is (talking about the electoral college), but i don't think there's anything left that hasn't been said before. Sidenote, i do think that americans only had to chose between pest and cholera this time around, but one would wonder if it wouldn't have been smarter to elect the person that does less damage, even if it doesn't bring the country forward. Trump certainly won't bring the country forward, but since everyone can do that, he decided to actively make the US look retarded on the world stage. Over and over again. And like it or not, a damaged bilateral friendship will hurt the US as much as any other country. And will take decades to fix. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13422 Posts
 On May 26 2017 10:08 Tachion wrote: It's bonkers to me that this isn't even grounded in solid reasoning. It's based off of Trump's personal vendettas and favoritism. His campaign single-handedly changed the Republican party platform on Russia because ?????, and now Republicans just all look like a bunch of stooges by association. Thank god for everyone working behind the scenes to try to clean up the ill will he's creating, but I underestimated just how much damage one guys personal relationships could have on foreign policy. Foreign policy is the biggest thing the president can impact as an individual. Can you imagine if he had the power to fuck up everything else just as bad?? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:39 Nyxisto wrote: the logic should have been Hillary to get not-Trump. I'll simply refuse to accept that this is a logical answer, Trump was the thing you were supposed to maneuver around. No idea if that's been posted in the thread but this was the text he left at Israel's national holocaust memorial, the man can't even write cursive. This is reads like something Justin Bieber would have written I dunno, it would've been Hillary with the GOP majority congress. There would be nothing getting done aside from the House constantly impeaching her. I actually think this result is better for most non-GOP people, as long as Trump doesn't kill us all in the next year and a half. He's far too incompetent to enact any agenda and he's ruining the GOP brand for decades. Had Hillary been in office it was a guarantee that there was going to be a GOP wave in 2018 and almost certainly would've won 2020 over her, as their utter garbage lies and gaslighting wouldn't have been exposed in so... Trumpian of a manner. The AHCA would've been rammed through in 2018 or so without a fight due to the vetoproof majority the GOP would've held, they could have voted to have a walk of shame GoT-style for the CEO of planned parenthood on the senate floor, etc. There's only 2 political parties in the US right now, leftists and neoliberals. The GOP are pure revanchists, no actual agenda or vision of the future. It's good for the system to see them exposed now with a tenuous grasp on power rather than with an iron one in a few years. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:39 Nyxisto wrote: the logic should have been Hillary to get not-Trump. I'll simply refuse to accept that this is a logical answer, Trump was the thing you were supposed to maneuver around. No idea if that's been posted in the thread but this was the text he left at Israel's national holocaust memorial, the man can't even write cursive. This is reads like something Justin Bieber would have written Most people vote party line, althought that is shifting nowadays because these parties and their nominees are so bad. Keep in mind, US-Russia relations would return to cold war levels if hillary won. This is while NK randomly makes threats and fires missiles. I mean sure we wouldn't have 3 am tweet storms, but we would be dealing with a completely unique set of problems if she won. If Trump gets impeached, I'll be quite happy. I ejected ship as soon as he fired Comey and hope he goes down. Pence would make a much better president. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:39 Nyxisto wrote: the logic should have been Hillary to get not-Trump. I'll simply refuse to accept that this is a logical answer, Trump was the thing you were supposed to maneuver around. No idea if that's been posted in the thread but this was the text he left at Israel's national holocaust memorial, the man can't even write cursive. This is reads like something Justin Bieber would have written that sounds like a kid who's writing back to mommy about how great a trip with his friends is  | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:12 RealityIsKing wrote: Trump had his head turned to the right. Guy in front stops suddenly. Trump tries to avoid collision. End of story. I'm not gonna try to pretend that the pushing thing is a big deal, but if you're that deaf to body language, I can't help you. It's an indication of how tactless he is, and how eager he is to use every opportunity available to him to step on other peoples' toes and boast about how enormous his penis is. His presidency will likely boil down to this one meme. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:34 biology]major wrote: To be fair most people voted against the opposing candidate this election. So us trumpets got not-hillary. Mission accomplished, but this rocketship has a lot of turbulence, big league, believe me. Lemme guess, you believe in the massive voter fraud conspiracy. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On May 26 2017 10:55 Gahlo wrote: Lemme guess, you believe in the massive voter fraud conspiracy. edit: Nevermind. I missed a word there. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
I'm not even American and this shit is exhausting, every time I open the news Trump's stuipd face is everywhere, what this discussion always misses is the fact that people are actually on the receiving end of this stuff | ||
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