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On May 26 2017 04:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 03:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:So there's a whole metagame on shaking Trumps hand now. Trump showed that he likes to rip the other persons arm off like a wookie (that gorsuch one cracks me up): + Show Spoiler +So the nations of the world of course saw this and didn't want to play his game. Trudeau smooth as always came prepared by blocking the pull with his left, this is probably the best counter + Show Spoiler +The Tajikistan president tried to brute force resist it + Show Spoiler +The Danish PM used a sideways elbow technique to make pulling much harder + Show Spoiler +Macron decided he wanted to up the ante and diss Trump before the handshake by walking towards Trump but just in the end greeting Merkel and Stoltenberg first. However in his inner joy he must've forgotten about the pull and a disappointed Trump nearly rips it from his socket + Show Spoiler +However later on he pays him back by squeezing Trumps knuckles hard + Show Spoiler +Montenegro never had a chance and gets America-Firsted by Trump wanting to be in front + Show Spoiler + Future politicians and figures should learn from our new handshake bonjwa Trudeau.
Please, France's MvT is godly.
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On May 26 2017 05:35 Trainrunnef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 05:28 farvacola wrote:
NATO handled Trump well, I'm glad things turned out as they did. Well it was just a working dinner not a full on summit so lord knows what sparks will fly during one of those.
Pretty sure there will not be a full summit to which Trump is invited.
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On May 26 2017 05:28 ticklishmusic wrote:
odd thing to boast about.
It's especially odd when the main thing Rasmussen themselves track is based upon strongly approve vs. strongly disapprove rather than simple approval which is still be net -4% in their poll, a drop from +12% on inauguration day
But it shouldn't be surprising people are feeding him parsed numbers without context because that's how you make him smile and gain good-boy points
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On May 26 2017 04:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Well if anything the one positive thing Trump will do is force European unity because we can't rely on the US as a comitted and trust-able ally anymore :-x
I thought he would be briefed and informed and prepared for this meeting but he just went on his 'they own huge sums of money ' rant that is just not true. He basically flamed NATO nations who have been fighting and dying fighting terrorism while praising fucking Saudi Arabia for discussing to stop funding extreme religion. It's sad.
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woah I'm not even sure if this is some delayed 1st april joke or what but:
www.spiegel.de (german source, sry)
but basicly, they claim that they have gotten information from people who attended the meeting in brussels about what Trump said and he, supposedly, literally said (translation from me) "the germans are evil, very evil [...] look at the millions of cars they're selling in the US. We're going to make that stop"
[he obviously must have said it in english himself so I'm translating a translation back into the original language. It could very well be that he said something else like "wicked" instead of "evil" etc]
I'm not kidding when I'm saying that I'm not sure if that's real or not and that's the scary part here
Some more later about how the European people were appalled about the apparent lack of knowledge on how the EU works as they supposedly didn't know that the EU signs trade deals as a whole rather than individual countries inside the EU with whoever else. Gary Cohn, they call him Trumps economy counselor (idk), supposedly mentioned that customs/duties/tariffs (idk what the right word is in that case) between USA <-> GER were different than the ones between USA <-> BEL.
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On May 26 2017 06:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Well if anything the one positive thing Trump will do is force European unity because we can't rely on the US as a comitted and trust-able ally anymore :-x I thought he would be briefed and informed and prepared for this meeting but he just went on his 'they own huge sums of money ' rant that is just not true. He basically flamed NATO nations who have been fighting and dying fighting terrorism while praising fucking Saudi Arabia for discussing to stop funding extreme religion. It's sad.
Oh I'm sure he was briefed, informed and prepared.
The problem is that Trump doesn't care for it, doesn't think he needs it (and he's right, he just needs to score points with his voters back him) and is easily influenced by those around him who tell him to ignore the officials instructions.
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On May 26 2017 05:06 KwarK wrote:
It's entirely plausible he's just stupid and that the speech was just a rehashing of his greatest hits which idiots back home were prepared to applaud. He could have literally not known that the same ignorant America First nonsense that plays with people who don't know any better wouldn't work with Merkel.
The odd thing is that he went to Saudi Arabia and flip flopped on his campaign pledge.
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On May 26 2017 06:12 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 05:06 KwarK wrote:
It's entirely plausible he's just stupid and that the speech was just a rehashing of his greatest hits which idiots back home were prepared to applaud. He could have literally not known that the same ignorant America First nonsense that plays with people who don't know any better wouldn't work with Merkel. The odd thing is that he went to Saudi Arabia and flip flopped on his campaign pledge.
Because SA known how to play the corruption game. They gave Trump want he wants (money/building rights/ect) and he gives them what they want (a change in his stance). The EU however won't play that game and so he had no reason to change his usual rhetoric.
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excerpt of speech from V for Vendetta that rings very true today
How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now [President Trump]. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.
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I'm sure Trump would have had no qualms picking Lieberman.
Former Sen. Joe Lieberman sent a letter to President Donald Trump yesterday withdrawing his name from consideration for FBI director, citing a potential conflict of interest.
In the letter, Lieberman cites the decision by the White House to enlist Marc Kasowitz as outside counsel to coordinate the administration's response to the Russia investigation, saying, "With your selection of Marc Kasowitz to represent you in the various investigations that have begun, I do believe it would be best to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest, given my role as a senior counsel in the law firm of which Marc is the senior partner."
www.yahoo.com
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More political maneuvering:
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On May 26 2017 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:woah I'm not even sure if this is some delayed 1st april joke or what but: www.spiegel.de (german source, sry) but basicly, they claim that they have gotten information from people who attended the meeting in brussels about what Trump said and he, supposedly, literally said (translation from me) "the germans are evil, very evil [...] look at the millions of cars they're selling in the US. We're going to make that stop"[he obviously must have said it in english himself so I'm translating a translation back into the original language. It could very well be that he said something else like "wicked" instead of "evil" etc] I'm not kidding when I'm saying that I'm not sure if that's real or not and that's the scary part here Some more later about how the European people were appalled about the apparent lack of knowledge on how the EU works as they supposedly didn't know that the EU signs trade deals as a whole rather than individual countries inside the EU with whoever else. Gary Cohn, they call him Trumps economy counselor (idk), supposedly mentioned that customs/duties/tariffs (idk what the right word is in that case) between USA <-> GER were different than the ones between USA <-> BEL.
I could have sworn somebody made a hypothetical joke about that in here.
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On May 26 2017 06:47 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:woah I'm not even sure if this is some delayed 1st april joke or what but: www.spiegel.de (german source, sry) but basicly, they claim that they have gotten information from people who attended the meeting in brussels about what Trump said and he, supposedly, literally said (translation from me) "the germans are evil, very evil [...] look at the millions of cars they're selling in the US. We're going to make that stop"[he obviously must have said it in english himself so I'm translating a translation back into the original language. It could very well be that he said something else like "wicked" instead of "evil" etc] I'm not kidding when I'm saying that I'm not sure if that's real or not and that's the scary part here Some more later about how the European people were appalled about the apparent lack of knowledge on how the EU works as they supposedly didn't know that the EU signs trade deals as a whole rather than individual countries inside the EU with whoever else. Gary Cohn, they call him Trumps economy counselor (idk), supposedly mentioned that customs/duties/tariffs (idk what the right word is in that case) between USA <-> GER were different than the ones between USA <-> BEL. I could have sworn somebody made a hypothetical joke about that in here.
yeah at the very least Trump has said that in the past, that he'd like to make tradedeals with individual countries rather than one with all of the EU to which, iirc, Kwark responded and said that that's not how it works since when it comes to export/import the EU zone considers itself as just one.
So seeing that from Trump himself is one thing, but if they're correct and even the Goldman Sachs boy doesn't know about it it's quite something.
That seems like a rather important thing to know considering his position and background.
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On May 26 2017 06:47 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2017 06:10 Toadesstern wrote:woah I'm not even sure if this is some delayed 1st april joke or what but: www.spiegel.de (german source, sry) but basicly, they claim that they have gotten information from people who attended the meeting in brussels about what Trump said and he, supposedly, literally said (translation from me) "the germans are evil, very evil [...] look at the millions of cars they're selling in the US. We're going to make that stop"[he obviously must have said it in english himself so I'm translating a translation back into the original language. It could very well be that he said something else like "wicked" instead of "evil" etc] I'm not kidding when I'm saying that I'm not sure if that's real or not and that's the scary part here Some more later about how the European people were appalled about the apparent lack of knowledge on how the EU works as they supposedly didn't know that the EU signs trade deals as a whole rather than individual countries inside the EU with whoever else. Gary Cohn, they call him Trumps economy counselor (idk), supposedly mentioned that customs/duties/tariffs (idk what the right word is in that case) between USA <-> GER were different than the ones between USA <-> BEL. I could have sworn somebody made a hypothetical joke about that in here.
I joked about it a fair bit but that was based on it having already happened. Trump had a phone call with Merkel where he threatened tariffs etc and Merkel kept trying to explain that Germany is a part of the single European market.
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GOP Busted Using Cable Lobbyist Net Neutrality Talking Points
The GOP has been caught using talking points provided by the cable industry in their ongoing assault against net neutrality. Last week, as the FCC majority was voting to begin dismantling popular net neutrality protections, House Republican lawmakers received an email from GOP leadership on how to defend the decision. That e-mail included a "toolkit" (pdf) of misleading or outright false talking points that, among other things, attempt to portray net neutrality as "anti-consumer."
"All major internet providers strongly support a free and open internet," the packet falsely claims at one point. "Market and finance experts unanimously predict a massive drop off in investment under utility regulation," it incorrectly states in another section. "In practice, these regulations have proven to be anti-consumer," the authors bizarrely conclude.
The packet then comically cites a rotating crop of telecom-funded think tank studies and telecom-written op-eds as supporting evidence for these repeatedly-debunked positions.
"Want more information on the net neutrality discussion?" asked Washington state Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, chair of the House Republican Conference in the e-mail pushing the talking points. "Here is a nifty toolkit with news resources, myth vs reality information, what others are saying, and free market comments."
Rodgers failed to mention that the "nifty" package of pre-formulated ideas came directly from the cable industry.
According to analysis of packet metadata by the Intercept, the package was put together by Kerry Landon, the assistant director of industry grassroots at the National Cable and Telecommunications Association -- the cable industry's biggest lobbying and policy organization. The package was also circulated by Broadband for America, a lobbying coalition funded by most of the biggest broadband providers.
While everybody knows (or should know) that this is how pay-to-play government works, it doesn't make the episode any less grotesque. For its part, the NCTA was quick to insist in a statement that politicians parroting pre-scripted talking points while they ignore the desires of consumer constituents is just how this stuff works.
"NCTA is one of hundreds of organizations engaged in public policy on communications, technology and media and it is common practice to provide policymakers with information and background on key issues," said Joy Sims, a spokesperson for NCTA. "We are always happy to provide briefings, materials and other information to the media, policymakers and others."
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/GOP-Busted-Using-Cable-Lobbyist-Net-Neutrality-Talking-Points-139647
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Raise your hands if you're surprised. Nobody? Well then.
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On May 26 2017 03:38 Plansix wrote:
Savings used to be more prevalent for the average person in the US. But it was during an era when government also promoted saving and was invested in provided citizens with clear paths to do so. We don’t see that much any more.
once again i have to ask what the fuck are you talking about? the government used to "provide citizens with clear paths to do so?" is the path blocked now?????
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This thread is really going downhill,it has become a mirror of the media when it comes to trump.
So many people who otherwise make well thought out posts are losing their objectivity when it comes to trump to just jump on the bash train.
Ima take a break from this,its probably not a loss anyway ha ha.
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Calling bullshit.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Thursday vowed to take up a $15 minimum wage in the first 100 hours of the next Congress if Democrats take back the chamber next year.
Pelosi offered the commitment while appearing alongside fellow Democratic leaders and advocates to release new legislation raising the minimum wage to $15. Her comments offer an early view at Democrats' potential agenda for the House if they can regain control in 2018, a long-shot prospect that some in the party think could grow increasingly more realistic given President Donald Trump and the GOP's recent struggles.
If "we win the election," Pelosi told the gathered audience, "in the first 100 hours we will pass a $15 minimum wage."
The California Democrat conspicuously harkened to 2007, when her caucus raised the minimum wage to its current level of $7.25 as part of an ambitious campaign for its first 100 hours in power. That 10-year-old agenda also included lowering the interest rate on student loans and allowing the government to negotiate drug prices under Medicare.
Pelosi endorsed a $15 minimum wage in 2015, aligning with Bernie Sanders on an issue that became a foundation of the Vermont independent senator's unsuccessful bid for last year's Democratic presidential nomination. The broad Democratic support for Thursday's minimum wage hike illustrates the extent of Sanders' influence on the agenda of the party whose leadership he has joined — without formally becoming a Democrat.
The minimum wage hike also has drawn early fire from conservatives who want to use Sanders' rising influence as a weapon against a Democratic party moving to the left as it pushes back hard against Trump.
"This is a significant moment since it confirms that the Democrat Party is now in the hands of extreme liberals that have more in common with European Socialism than the free enterprise principles that have guided America for generations," Jeremy Adler, spokesman for the conservative group America Rising, said in a statement.
Even so, Democrats reiterated that the gradual increase of the minimum wage to $15 would be a core part of their economic agenda heading into the midterms. Trump should "stick up for working people by supporting our bill," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Thursday.
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On May 26 2017 07:31 pmh wrote:
This thread is really going downhill,it has become a mirror of the media when it comes to trump.
So many people who otherwise make well thought out posts are losing their objectivity when it comes to trump to just jump on the bash train.
Ima take a break from this,its probably not a loss anyway ha ha.
No one is stopping you from speaking out about what you find unfair about the criticisms. The thread could use a few more dissenting opinions.
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