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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
May 25 2017 03:33 GMT
#152661
On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him...


Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police.

Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12620 Posts
May 25 2017 03:36 GMT
#152662
On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him...


Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police.

Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?


What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)
No will to live, no wish to die
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 25 2017 03:58 GMT
#152663
On May 25 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:


What? Did they have a fight I didn't hear about?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
May 25 2017 03:58 GMT
#152664
On May 25 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/867528510721708033


that is fucked up
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 25 2017 03:59 GMT
#152665
That is pretty messed up. But Trump is a petty bitch, so I could totally see it.
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
May 25 2017 04:07 GMT
#152666
On May 25 2017 12:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:
On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him...


Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police.

Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?


What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)

Ah, I thought I must have been misunderstanding. Punching Richard Spencer notwithstanding, a pro-assault position seemed like a pretty strange one to come out with
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 25 2017 04:22 GMT
#152667
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 25 2017 04:41 GMT
#152668
I'm guessing that means spicer is done with the briefings? cause making enemies with your press secretary can't be a good idea
Question.?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 05:09:55
May 25 2017 05:08 GMT
#152669
On May 25 2017 12:36 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:
On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him...


Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police.

Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?


What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)


Yes and beyond the Sheriff being a campaign contributor it's not something had it not instantly gone national would have even got a rise out of Montana police.

That being said, as a reporter I think it's fair that he tell people he got choked slammed as opposed to bodyslammed as to give me the appropriate visual. Also, not a big fan of him, but of course you shouldn't assault journalists (besides many of them being frail folk) unless they are at your wife's funeral accusing you of killing her or something. In that case assault them, and let them see if the justice system moves on that (again they wouldn't be moving on this at all if it weren't a national story because of the special election).

What I'm getting at that might be interpreted as advocating violence against reporters is that this is pretty low on the list of absurd things police do and to see such a deal made out of it is slightly comical.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 25 2017 05:09 GMT
#152670
if gianforte loses tomorrow (i would say he's still the favorite even w/ this) i'd hate to see what he'd do to a journalist asking him questions about the results.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 25 2017 05:14 GMT
#152671
On May 25 2017 11:35 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 11:22 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2017 10:19 xDaunt wrote:
On May 25 2017 10:13 biology]major wrote:
Not really, the journalist was an evil liberal. Our country is divided, liberals are evil, and conservatives are dumb ignorant deplorables. Justification is super easy.

Jacobs does look like a weenie.

You just enjoy provoking libs in the era of Trump, don't you.

I assumed he was joking, but xDaunt has always liked to piss people off from what I can tell

The joke is Dems are a little on edge so the prodding like this is a bit cruel. You have to empathize a little more with the 24-7 outrage/unprecedented crowd.

On topic:
This is Montana, not hyper-newsie Twitter-verse. All this will probably matter not a damn whit. 2/3 of the votes were cast before this even happened.


This might age very well.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
May 25 2017 05:15 GMT
#152672
On May 25 2017 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
if gianforte loses tomorrow (i would say he's still the favorite even w/ this) i'd hate to see what he'd do to a journalist asking him questions about the results.


Tombstones for everybody!

But he was in trouble before this (probably not unrelated to his blow up) and if he loses it's not just this that did it (they have early voting).

It will be a concrete example that you can go to a red state where Trump won by double digits and get a win supporting Bernie and Medicare-for-all, not the Manchin republican lite crap.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 25 2017 05:22 GMT
#152673
Underreported civil liberties story right now:
The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.

More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.

The normally supportive court censured administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to an “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.

The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans. [...]

“Since 2011, NSA’s minimization procedures have prohibited use of U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of upstream Internet collections under Section 702,” the unsealed court ruling declared. “The Oct. 26, 2016 notice informed the court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries inviolation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had been previously disclosed to the Court.”

Circa

Contains 99-page document from FISA court. It looks like the NSA has been cowed by the rebuke, but Trump better get this unmasking situation under control.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 25 2017 06:18 GMT
#152674
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 10:19:00
May 25 2017 10:14 GMT
#152675
The body slamming will have no effect on the election I think. Bodyslamming journalists is nothing new,many celebreties and sports heros have bodyslammed or otherwise attacked journalists in the past. Sometimes even gaining sympathy from the public for doing so.


Yahoo is funny,when there is no new drama about trump to put on the frontpage news they return to covering Obama,michelle and Clinton about how awesome they are. I don't think I have ever read so many storys about an ex president,definitly not with bush at least.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 10:33:27
May 25 2017 10:22 GMT
#152676
On May 25 2017 19:14 pmh wrote:
The body slamming will have no effect on the election I think. Bodyslamming journalists is nothing new,many celebreties and sports heros have bodyslammed or otherwise attacked journalists in the past. Sometimes even gaining sympathy from the public for doing so.

The circumstances are different in this case.

This particular story is the leading headline for Fox News right now; Fox News reporters witnessed the alleged assault and posted their rather brutal account to the front page. Although I can see how this incident could be treated by Republicans in a partisan manner, I get the feeling that most Republicans trust Fox News as a source of information. Furthermore, as a result of this alleged assault, three local Montana newspapers have withdrawn endorsements at the last moment. This may make a difference for Republican voters tomorrow.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html

Given that most voters have already cast their ballots, the effect on the election should be relatively small. The bigger problem is the optics are terrible regardless of whether the candidate wins or loses.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
May 25 2017 10:41 GMT
#152677
Republican stopped giving a shit about optics and integrity a long time ago, all that matter is winning at any cost.

In any other western country the story would be a big deal, in the US it means nothing.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 11:50:45
May 25 2017 11:33 GMT
#152678
This Gianforte debacle likely won't change the electoral outcome for the reasons previously mentioned; however, even typically "conservative" media outlets are being pushed further and further away by GOPers, and given that Fox just dropped to third in overall primetime viewership, the Republicans seem to be losing mouthpieces at a rapid rate.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 11:56:30
May 25 2017 11:42 GMT
#152679


I wonder if the disagreement was over Putin's approval ratings? They really are tremendous.

edit: How nauseating, crazy, disturbing to think that these people have to listen to an idiot for a U.S. President probably dole out, in shitty English, Russian-media talking-points.

I joke about the approval ratings thing... but actually, that's exactly the type of stupid RT.com shit that Trump would throw out there.

I will never forgive this.
Big water
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8224 Posts
May 25 2017 12:10 GMT
#152680
So according to Ben Carson, poverty is a state of mind. The millions of disfranchised rust belt poor people who voted for his boss should appreciate, if the conservative media even relays them the good news.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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