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On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him... Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police.
Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?
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On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him... Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police. Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing?
What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)
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On May 25 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:
What? Did they have a fight I didn't hear about?
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That is pretty messed up. But Trump is a petty bitch, so I could totally see it.
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On May 25 2017 12:36 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him... Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police. Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing? What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)
Ah, I thought I must have been misunderstanding. Punching Richard Spencer notwithstanding, a pro-assault position seemed like a pretty strange one to come out with
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I'm guessing that means spicer is done with the briefings? cause making enemies with your press secretary can't be a good idea
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On May 25 2017 12:36 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 12:33 ChristianS wrote:On May 25 2017 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 25 2017 11:48 Nebuchad wrote:
Could this somehow be part of a strategy? I can't really believe that this dude has so little control of himself that he can't hold back on such an important date for him... Sort of? I mean I think the stress got to him, but I can confirm that xDaunt isn't alone in reading this as a little bitchmade reporter getting put in his place. This is something had it not instantly made national news would not even get much more than a chuckle from police. Just to clarify that I'm reading you right: a politician physically assaults a journalist for asking questions he doesn't want to answer, and you're reaction is basically that the journalist had it coming? If so, do you have a problem with this particular journalist? Or would you generalize this sentiment, and figure that if politicians were to regularly start beating up journalists like grade school bullies, that would be a good thing? What? He's obviously not saying that, he's talking about the anti-press sentiment being so strong in republicans that this could be a positive for Gianforte (and as such it's not impossible that it would be part of a strategy)
Yes and beyond the Sheriff being a campaign contributor it's not something had it not instantly gone national would have even got a rise out of Montana police.
That being said, as a reporter I think it's fair that he tell people he got choked slammed as opposed to bodyslammed as to give me the appropriate visual. Also, not a big fan of him, but of course you shouldn't assault journalists (besides many of them being frail folk) unless they are at your wife's funeral accusing you of killing her or something. In that case assault them, and let them see if the justice system moves on that (again they wouldn't be moving on this at all if it weren't a national story because of the special election).
What I'm getting at that might be interpreted as advocating violence against reporters is that this is pretty low on the list of absurd things police do and to see such a deal made out of it is slightly comical.
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if gianforte loses tomorrow (i would say he's still the favorite even w/ this) i'd hate to see what he'd do to a journalist asking him questions about the results.
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On May 25 2017 11:35 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 11:22 Danglars wrote:On May 25 2017 10:19 xDaunt wrote:On May 25 2017 10:13 biology]major wrote:
Not really, the journalist was an evil liberal. Our country is divided, liberals are evil, and conservatives are dumb ignorant deplorables. Justification is super easy. Jacobs does look like a weenie. You just enjoy provoking libs in the era of Trump, don't you. I assumed he was joking, but xDaunt has always liked to piss people off from what I can tell
The joke is Dems are a little on edge so the prodding like this is a bit cruel. You have to empathize a little more with the 24-7 outrage/unprecedented crowd.
On topic:
This is Montana, not hyper-newsie Twitter-verse. All this will probably matter not a damn whit. 2/3 of the votes were cast before this even happened.
This might age very well.
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On May 25 2017 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
if gianforte loses tomorrow (i would say he's still the favorite even w/ this) i'd hate to see what he'd do to a journalist asking him questions about the results.
Tombstones for everybody!
But he was in trouble before this (probably not unrelated to his blow up) and if he loses it's not just this that did it (they have early voting).
It will be a concrete example that you can go to a red state where Trump won by double digits and get a win supporting Bernie and Medicare-for-all, not the Manchin republican lite crap.
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Underreported civil liberties story right now:
The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.
More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.
The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.
The normally supportive court censured administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to an “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017.
The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans. [...]
“Since 2011, NSA’s minimization procedures have prohibited use of U.S.-person identifiers to query the results of upstream Internet collections under Section 702,” the unsealed court ruling declared. “The Oct. 26, 2016 notice informed the court that NSA analysts had been conducting such queries inviolation of that prohibition, with much greater frequency than had been previously disclosed to the Court.”
Circa
Contains 99-page document from FISA court. It looks like the NSA has been cowed by the rebuke, but Trump better get this unmasking situation under control.
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The body slamming will have no effect on the election I think. Bodyslamming journalists is nothing new,many celebreties and sports heros have bodyslammed or otherwise attacked journalists in the past. Sometimes even gaining sympathy from the public for doing so.
Yahoo is funny,when there is no new drama about trump to put on the frontpage news they return to covering Obama,michelle and Clinton about how awesome they are. I don't think I have ever read so many storys about an ex president,definitly not with bush at least.
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On May 25 2017 19:14 pmh wrote:
The body slamming will have no effect on the election I think. Bodyslamming journalists is nothing new,many celebreties and sports heros have bodyslammed or otherwise attacked journalists in the past. Sometimes even gaining sympathy from the public for doing so.
The circumstances are different in this case.
This particular story is the leading headline for Fox News right now; Fox News reporters witnessed the alleged assault and posted their rather brutal account to the front page. Although I can see how this incident could be treated by Republicans in a partisan manner, I get the feeling that most Republicans trust Fox News as a source of information. Furthermore, as a result of this alleged assault, three local Montana newspapers have withdrawn endorsements at the last moment. This may make a difference for Republican voters tomorrow.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html
Given that most voters have already cast their ballots, the effect on the election should be relatively small. The bigger problem is the optics are terrible regardless of whether the candidate wins or loses.
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Republican stopped giving a shit about optics and integrity a long time ago, all that matter is winning at any cost.
In any other western country the story would be a big deal, in the US it means nothing.
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This Gianforte debacle likely won't change the electoral outcome for the reasons previously mentioned; however, even typically "conservative" media outlets are being pushed further and further away by GOPers, and given that Fox just dropped to third in overall primetime viewership, the Republicans seem to be losing mouthpieces at a rapid rate.
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I wonder if the disagreement was over Putin's approval ratings? They really are tremendous.
edit: How nauseating, crazy, disturbing to think that these people have to listen to an idiot for a U.S. President probably dole out, in shitty English, Russian-media talking-points.
I joke about the approval ratings thing... but actually, that's exactly the type of stupid RT.com shit that Trump would throw out there.
I will never forgive this.
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So according to Ben Carson, poverty is a state of mind. The millions of disfranchised rust belt poor people who voted for his boss should appreciate, if the conservative media even relays them the good news.
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