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Doodsmack
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:04 On_Slaught wrote: Nothing juicy from the presser? Mostly that he literally said "believe me, there's no collusion" | ||
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Gorsameth
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On May 19 2017 06:08 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/bencjacobs/status/865303353143721987 That's the problem with lying. You need to make sure everyone involved is on the same story. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
President Donald Trump on Thursday said he fired former FBI Director James Comey in part because of his "poor, poor performance" during recent testimony before lawmakers on Capitol Hill, as he shifted his explanation of the much-criticized decision. The president had previously taken sole ownership of the decision to fire Comey, telling NBC he would have done so regardless of the Justice Department's position. But on Thursday, he said the ex-FBI chief's performance before Congress helped prompt a memo by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein laying out criticisms of Comey's tenure. "He had the very poor performance on Wednesday. That was a poor, poor performance," Trump said. "So poor, in fact, that I believe—and you would have to ask him because I don't like to speak for other people—but I believe that's why the deputy attorney general went out and wrote his very, very strong letter." That was a shift not only from Trump's earlier explanation of the events leading to Comey's ouster but also comments Rosenstein reportedly made to U.S. senators on Thursday. Multiple senators leaving a briefing with the deputy attorney general said Rosenstein told them that he already knew when he wrote the memo that Comey was going to be fired. Rosenstein learned Comey was being ousted on May 8, Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said, but the memo was dated May 9—the day the firing took place. Responding to a question from a reporter, Trump denied reports he had asked Comey to shut down an investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. And he said Comey was too unpopular to remain on the job. "Director Comey was very unpopular with most people," Trump said during a joint press conference with Colombian President Juan Manual Santos at the White House. "I actually thought it would be a bipartisan decision." Source | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
But maybe he didn't know about the collusion yet. Maybe he gets briefed tomorrow and that's why he's holding the press conference today. Because tomorrow he would have lied if he said that but now he doesn't know yet and thus cannot possibly lie because he doesn't know. Sad thing is, him thinking like that isn't unrealistic. | ||
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Nevuk
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Wulfey_LA
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Mohdoo
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Tachion
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:08 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/bencjacobs/status/865303353143721987 See if you work for trump, always be on the lookout for the bus. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:21 Tachion wrote: So Trump says he fired Comey based off of the letters of recommendation, then rumors are that Rosenstein was pissed and threatened to resign for shouldering the responsibility over the firing. Then Trump says he was gonna do it anyway even without the recommendations. Then Rosenstein says that Trump was gonna fire him even before he wrote the memo. Now we're back to Trump firing him on Rosenstein's recommendation? Is that right? I can hardly keep this shit straight. You got it. Trump doesn’t remember his story and tried to throw a career justice department attorney under the bus to cover for the firing. The justice department attorney he did not belong under the bus. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:21 Tachion wrote: So Trump says he fired Comey based off of the letters of recommendation, then rumors are that Rosenstein was pissed and threatened to resign for shouldering the responsibility over the firing. Then Trump says he was gonna do it anyway even without the recommendations. Then Rosenstein says that Trump was gonna fire him even before he wrote the memo. Now we're back to Trump firing him on Rosenstein's recommendation? Is that right? I can hardly keep this shit straight. Why would Rosenstein be mad he got the blame? He wrote that letter of recommendation because Trump told him he wanted it as a cover. What did he think the letter was going to be used for Oo | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:26 Plansix wrote: You got it. Trump doesn’t remember his story and tried to throw a career justice department attorney under the bus to cover for the firing. The justice department attorney he did not belong under the bus. It feels like Trump doesn't understand how little many of the people working for him, need him. It feels like Trump is operating under the assumption that he can really treat his people like shit because at the end of the day, he is president. Its like he's pretending he's Putin and getting cranky whenever it turns out we live in a decent country. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: Why would Rosenstein be mad he got the blame? He wrote that letter of recommendation because Trump told him he wanted it as a cover. What did he think the letter was going to be used for Oo Because he was not told that it would be used as justification for the firing. He believed Trump had decided to do it and that would be the story. They write tons of internal memos. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: Why would Rosenstein be mad he got the blame? He wrote that letter of recommendation because Trump told him he wanted it as a cover. What did he think the letter was going to be used for Oo Basically, it's one thing to write it under orders, it's another to independently decide to do it. Of course, when your boss tells you to do something, and claims credit for success and deflects blame on failure, it is kinda a lose-lose situation for you either way. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:27 Gorsameth wrote: Why would Rosenstein be mad he got the blame? He wrote that letter of recommendation because Trump told him he wanted it as a cover. What did he think the letter was going to be used for Oo I prob should have left the rumor part out, that was just some anonymous white house source. It was being tossed around as the reason why Trump came out and admitted that he was going to fire Comey without the recommendations, but yea it's just hearsay. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:29 Plansix wrote: Because he was not told that it would be used as justification for the firing. He believed Trump had decided to do it and that would be the story. They write tons of internal memos. "I'm going to write a letter to Trump about how Comey should be fired, I will then get mad when that letter is shown as a reason for firing him" that just doesn't make sense. Surely if he didn't want to be connected to the Comey firing he would not write a letter urging him to be fired... | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:32 Gorsameth wrote: "I'm going to write a letter to Trump about how Comey should be fired, I will then get mad when that letter is shown as a reason for firing him" that just doesn't make sense. Surely if he didn't want to be connected to the Comey firing he would not write a letter urging him to be fired... "What has employee X done that could result in him being fired" vs. "I'm going to fire employee X. What justifications can you think of" vs. "Do you think I should fire employee X and why" are all fairly different questions to be asked. Rosenstein seems to have said and thought it was 2) but Trump is now saying it's 3) which deflects a lot more blame onto Rosenstein (because Trump can't ever ever make a mistake cuz it hurts his widdle ego). Personally, if my boss asked me #2 then told the employee they had asked me #3 I would be SUPER pissed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:28 Mohdoo wrote: It feels like Trump doesn't understand how little many of the people working for him, need him. It feels like Trump is operating under the assumption that he can really treat his people like shit because at the end of the day, he is president. Its like he's pretending he's Putin and getting cranky whenever it turns out we live in a decent country. He is operating exactly as he did as a CEO. He hires who he wants, he fires whoever he thinks isn’t working out. The problem is that he isn’t a CEO anymore and he refuses to accept that he can’t work like that. Recently one of his staffers said he might walk away from NATO, again. Because he thinks that you need to make the other side know that you might “walk away”. Because that works in business deals. It does not work in international relations with other nations. But he is to stubborn and arrogant to figure that out. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On May 19 2017 06:36 TheTenthDoc wrote: "What has employee X done that could result in him being fired" vs. "I'm going to fire employee X. What justifications can you think of" vs. "Do you think I should fire employee X and why" are all fairly different questions to be asked. Rosenstein seems to have said and thought it was 2) but Trump is now saying it's 3) which deflects a lot more blame onto Rosenstein (because Trump can't ever ever make a mistake cuz it hurts his widdle ego). Personally, if my boss asked me #2 then told the employee they had asked me #3 I would be SUPER pissed. In all 3 I would expect my response to be used as a reason for the firing but I guess that's just me. | ||
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