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Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
May 18 2017 19:56 GMT
#151561
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2017 19:58 GMT
#151562
On May 19 2017 04:56 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena

I would not link to the two. One was bad information provided a source is the senate that was cleared up. The other is an article where the author took the time to confirm the recording was real and contacted the people involved with the discussion.
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Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-18 20:01:39
May 18 2017 20:00 GMT
#151563
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2017 04:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mr. Rosenstein’s closed briefing with senators ended around 3:15 p.m., and some of the attendees stopped to talk to reporters afterward.

“It was a counterintelligence investigation before now,” Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said after he exited the briefing. “I think it’s now being considered a criminal investigation.”

Mr. Graham said Mr. Mueller, in his new role as special counsel, was likely to “jealously guard” information. “One of the big losers in this discussion is the public,” he said. He called whomever Mr. Trump may select as the new F.B.I. director “one of the winners,” for not having to worry about the inquiry.


www.nytimes.com




Remember when trump's supporters bought the "memo" pretext hook, line and sinker?


May 10 Pence says it was accepting the recommendation of the DAG. Trump says it was the investigation May 11. DAG confirms the memo had nothing to do with the decision May 18.

Pence mentioned more than once that Trump's decision was at the recommendation of Rosenstein. A source with knowledge of discussions inside the White House told CNN's Dana Bash that the thinking was that because Democrats were saying precisely what Rosenstein said in a letter explaining the grounds for Comey's dismissal, there would be no backlash.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/mike-pence-james-comey/
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-18 20:07:47
May 18 2017 20:06 GMT
#151564
On May 19 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:56 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena

I would not link to the two. One was bad information provided a source is the senate that was cleared up. The other is an article where the author took the time to confirm the recording was real and contacted the people involved with the discussion.


I hear you, but that's not the only article either and the frequency with which that happens just isn't sufficient for the public to be able to maintain trust in a long term basis. I guess this is just my personal gripe... idk
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2017 20:18 GMT
#151565
On May 19 2017 05:06 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:56 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena

I would not link to the two. One was bad information provided a source is the senate that was cleared up. The other is an article where the author took the time to confirm the recording was real and contacted the people involved with the discussion.


I hear you, but that's not the only article either and the frequency with which that happens just isn't sufficient for the public to be able to maintain trust in a long term basis. I guess this is just my personal gripe... idk

Twitter and print articles are worlds apart. One has an editor and fact checker. The other is twitter.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 18 2017 20:20 GMT
#151566
On May 19 2017 03:42 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 02:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
If it was a joke, why did they feel the need to deny it ever happened? Even if it was a joke, exposing the lies of an that an an important elected official is in the public interest. I don't understand why you would deny this.


it's pretty obvious that it's much easier to make a story you don't want to talk about go away by denying it than by saying "oh yeah, but to truly understand that let me set the context for you and explain why i don't think it is what you think it is." this is like basic political public relations.

some of you people are as bad at imagining other minds as zlefin is. maybe you guys should read some novels or something.

That entirely depends on what you assume people take from it. There isn't just the impression of "OmG PuTIn PAyed tRUMP" and "It's a bad joke." There's more to the discussion than that.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 18 2017 20:21 GMT
#151567
This is why one has advisers who are knowledgeable.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2017 20:22 GMT
#151568


A little humor for you all.
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TL+ Member
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 18 2017 20:28 GMT
#151569
On May 19 2017 04:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh and btw trainrunnef, in my adult working life I have never made any jokes about "body odor, weight, sex, color, penis size, or eye color". It sounds like a good way to get fired. Have to raise an eyebrow at some of these btw, since you are clearly refering to yourself. I mean I can kinda understand making a joke at a coworkers body odor but...Penis size really? Eye color really? How do you make a off color joke about eye color exactly?

I could see if somebody has heterochromia of some sort drastic enough that somebody else could make a joke about it. Personally, it gives me an uncanny valley sensation.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
May 18 2017 20:28 GMT
#151570
On May 19 2017 05:18 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 05:06 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:56 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena

I would not link to the two. One was bad information provided a source is the senate that was cleared up. The other is an article where the author took the time to confirm the recording was real and contacted the people involved with the discussion.


I hear you, but that's not the only article either and the frequency with which that happens just isn't sufficient for the public to be able to maintain trust in a long term basis. I guess this is just my personal gripe... idk

Twitter and print articles are worlds apart. One has an editor and fact checker. The other is twitter.


Is that how the average public sees it though?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 18 2017 20:34 GMT
#151571
This Administration, no.

The livelihoods of farmers and ranchers are intimately tied to weather and the environment. But they may not be able to depend on research conducted by the government to help them adapt to climate change if the Trump administration follows through on campaign promises to shift federal resources away from studying the climate.

Farmers stand to lose a lot if worst-case climate projections come to pass. They are likely to face extreme swings in temperature and precipitation. Pests and crop diseases will show up more frequently. Heat stress could stunt meat and dairy production by the nation's cattle herds, costing farmers billions of dollars in lost revenue and forcing food prices to rise.

Given the scope of the problem, the search for novel ways to adapt to a changing climate is driving agricultural research. The new administration in Washington, D.C., however, is attempting to change not just the direction of climate research, but also the tone and rhetoric around the issue.

For more than a decade, the federal government has taken on a large role in directing and funding climate change research, spending more than $11.6 billion on climate research in 2014 — an increase from just $2.4 billion in spending in 1993, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office. Former President Barack Obama made climate change adaptation and preparation a signature issue, rolling climate goals into policies across the government.

A high-profile Obama-era initiative specifically focused on the food system came in the form of U.S. Department of Agriculture research centers known as "climate hubs." The hubs are meant to better coordinate USDA research and outreach. After their creation in 2014, researchers set about translating scientific jargon into real-world advice for farmers, ranchers and foresters on how best to survive more erratic weather and a hotter climate.

The Agriculture Department established nine hubs across the U.S., and put one devoted to Caribbean adaptation in Puerto Rico.

In Fort Collins, Colo., the Northern Plains Climate Hub operates out of a squat, beige building, hidden behind a row of greenhouses. The center's director, agricultural economist Dannele Peck, says her team is doing the work necessary to keep America's farmers and ranchers productive as climate change upends their operations. And unlike other industries that could suffer losses in a hotter climate, Peck says farmers are already primed to start having conversations and changing certain practices now.

"When you walk into a local diner, what are they talking about? The weather," Peck says.

Peck's region – which includes Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota and South Dakota – is an agricultural powerhouse. Dairies are sprouting up and growing in Colorado, Nebraska and South Dakota, while beef cattle feedlots dot the landscape throughout. In crop production, the Dakotas rank high nationally for production of field crops like oats, wheat, sunflowers and dry beans.

To keep up the pace of food production in those areas, farmers and ranchers will have to make changes, Peck says. And it is the USDA's responsibility to help them adapt.

"One part of the hub's creation was just to make us more efficient," Peck says. "If we have many, many different people working on weather and climate issues and they don't talk to each other, you get redundancy or duplication."


Trump's new USDA secretary, Sonny Perdue, is now overseeing the agency's climate change projects, including the 10 climate hubs. He does not deny climate change is happening, but injects seeds of doubt about humanity's role in causing it.

"I've been on a farm since the early [1950s] and I can tell you the climate is changing," Perdue says. "But the fact of what the cause of it is, is really what is in dispute."

Nearly every climate scientist in the world disagrees. So do portions of the USDA's website that say unequivocally climate change is human-caused. But similar statements are slowly being scrubbed from other federal websites, leading some to question the Trump administration's commitment to well-established climate science.

"Farmers care about this a lot," says Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union, a left-leaning farmer advocacy group. He was a North Dakota farmer for the majority of his life.

"What farmers really want is good, solid scientific information about how they can better operate their farms and ranches," Johnson says.

With equivocation or outright denial of the facts about climate change from those in charge of the country's top scientific and regulatory agencies, that solid scientific information from publicly funded scientists is in jeopardy, Johnson says.


Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 18 2017 20:35 GMT
#151572
On May 19 2017 05:28 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 05:18 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 05:06 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:58 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:56 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:42 Plansix wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:36 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Yes, everyone of us have made jokes. The difference is not only position, but that we don't normally deny to the media the joke has taken place. How many times must this be written? Why are you ok with an elected represented lying to you? There's only so far that tribal loyalty to a political faction can take you before the incongruity goes too far.


How many times are you questioned by the media about every single act that you take? My guess is none. have you ever lied to a parent, girlfriend, friend about something equally as inconsequential? My guess is that you assume that our elected folks are somehow, smarter, braver, and honorable. They are not. They are people, humans who fuck up on a regular basis. their partners are probably unhappy because they work too much, their children feel like they never see their parent, just like any other person working hard for something. If he lied about Trump giving russians the Nuclear codes, then off with his head; if he lied about getting a blow job in the back of his car with a prostitute, then send him packing. if he lies about a shitty joke, then all I can do is shake my head, because i really don't care that much.

And please... both sides lie dont pretend any side's hands are clean.....

I think we should just hold both sides accountable for the same things. I do remember a quote about a lot of coal miners being put out of work being taken out of context and paraded around. Was that a human mistake? Sure. Did the GOP and conservative media run with it? Oh yes.

On May 19 2017 04:40 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:
I think people are making more out of that article that there real needs to be. It is a joke or it isn’t. The GOP was more than happen to let the Russian hacks help them in the election or they were just kidding around. They are either hiding something or were caught off guard by the Post and responded poorly. Personally, I would love to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt. But the leadership of that party burned through my trust a long time ago and they seem set on winning election at any cost. So I wouldn’t put it past them.

But that is all it is. It is one article that might have been pushing out a bit hastily. It is not this condemnation of the press as a whole or a reason to wag our fingers at the left for being overzealous.


How many articles have to go out a bit to hastily and get corrected within hours before we recognize a trend?


There have been no corrections to that article. It is either a joke or the GOP leadership laughing about Russia hacking their opponents. The Post not running that story will not stop Fox News from doing its thing. And if the Post doesn’t run the story, the source will go to another reporter and they will. This is problem isn’t solved by self moderation.



I was referring to the previous retracted comment about the subpoena

I would not link to the two. One was bad information provided a source is the senate that was cleared up. The other is an article where the author took the time to confirm the recording was real and contacted the people involved with the discussion.


I hear you, but that's not the only article either and the frequency with which that happens just isn't sufficient for the public to be able to maintain trust in a long term basis. I guess this is just my personal gripe... idk

Twitter and print articles are worlds apart. One has an editor and fact checker. The other is twitter.


Is that how the average public sees it though?

No, but Twitter and social media are the cause of this break neck, endless news pace. Smarthphones and always online caused news agencies cut through the layers of fact checking and peer review. Print articles are still print articles. If you want to review things through a critical eye, be critical of the thing the caused the problem. Not the thing that is still attempting to maintain the standard you are looking for.
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United States41117 Posts
May 18 2017 20:37 GMT
#151573
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2017 20:44 GMT
#151574
On May 19 2017 03:42 IgnE wrote:
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On May 19 2017 02:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
If it was a joke, why did they feel the need to deny it ever happened? Even if it was a joke, exposing the lies of an that an an important elected official is in the public interest. I don't understand why you would deny this.


it's pretty obvious that it's much easier to make a story you don't want to talk about go away by denying it than by saying "oh yeah, but to truly understand that let me set the context for you and explain why i don't think it is what you think it is." this is like basic political public relations.

some of you people are as bad at imagining other minds as zlefin is. maybe you guys should read some novels or something.

You may be on to something here.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 18 2017 20:45 GMT
#151575
If conservatives want to hold news agencies responsible for inaccurate reporting, I'm all for it. Just wondering what they'll do when fox and Limbaugh go belly up.
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United States601 Posts
May 18 2017 20:47 GMT
#151576
On May 19 2017 04:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh and btw trainrunnef, in my adult working life I have never made any jokes about "body odor, weight, sex, color, penis size, or eye color". It sounds like a good way to get fired. Have to raise an eyebrow at some of these btw, since you are clearly refering to yourself. I mean I can kinda understand making a joke at a coworkers body odor but...Penis size really? Eye color really? How do you make a off color joke about eye color exactly?


Then maybe you as a great example of a human being with morals and character should be running for office, and no I am not being facetious. There's too many good people not running for office.

The biggest issue is that you are confusing my apathy over this one issue for an overall support of the right, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Its a shitty joke with a shitty response and though we could make a huge deal about a politician lying, this particular lie, in this particular situation just doesn't have enough backup to make it really important (to me), unless something else comes out like a follow up conversation reinforcing the fact that it wasn't a joke etc.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 18 2017 20:59 GMT
#151577
On May 19 2017 05:47 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 04:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh and btw trainrunnef, in my adult working life I have never made any jokes about "body odor, weight, sex, color, penis size, or eye color". It sounds like a good way to get fired. Have to raise an eyebrow at some of these btw, since you are clearly refering to yourself. I mean I can kinda understand making a joke at a coworkers body odor but...Penis size really? Eye color really? How do you make a off color joke about eye color exactly?


Then maybe you as a great example of a human being with morals and character should be running for office, and no I am not being facetious. There's too many good people not running for office.

The biggest issue is that you are confusing my apathy over this one issue for an overall support of the right, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Its a shitty joke with a shitty response and though we could make a huge deal about a politician lying, this particular lie, in this particular situation just doesn't have enough backup to make it really important (to me), unless something else comes out like a follow up conversation reinforcing the fact that it wasn't a joke etc.

running for office is really hard; and you have to work with a bunch of jerks (the politicians).
having integrity and character is far from enough, you have to be convincing. it's also of course rather hard to actually tell the integrity of people, and politicians are good at faking things.

There may be ways to change the setup so that it's easier to get the moral people in; of course whether they'll truly do a better job can be a bit hard to say at times.
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Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 18 2017 21:04 GMT
#151578
Nothing juicy from the presser?
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Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 18 2017 21:04 GMT
#151579


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United States601 Posts
May 18 2017 21:07 GMT
#151580
On May 19 2017 05:59 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2017 05:47 Trainrunnef wrote:
On May 19 2017 04:54 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Oh and btw trainrunnef, in my adult working life I have never made any jokes about "body odor, weight, sex, color, penis size, or eye color". It sounds like a good way to get fired. Have to raise an eyebrow at some of these btw, since you are clearly refering to yourself. I mean I can kinda understand making a joke at a coworkers body odor but...Penis size really? Eye color really? How do you make a off color joke about eye color exactly?


Then maybe you as a great example of a human being with morals and character should be running for office, and no I am not being facetious. There's too many good people not running for office.

The biggest issue is that you are confusing my apathy over this one issue for an overall support of the right, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Its a shitty joke with a shitty response and though we could make a huge deal about a politician lying, this particular lie, in this particular situation just doesn't have enough backup to make it really important (to me), unless something else comes out like a follow up conversation reinforcing the fact that it wasn't a joke etc.

running for office is really hard; and you have to work with a bunch of jerks (the politicians).
having integrity and character is far from enough, you have to be convincing. it's also of course rather hard to actually tell the integrity of people, and politicians are good at faking things.

There may be ways to change the setup so that it's easier to get the moral people in; of course whether they'll truly do a better job can be a bit hard to say at times.


this is all true, but you dont need to start at going for president. Most of the local politicians are hanging on by momentum of incumbency. It is difficult, and maybe not even rewarding compared to the costs, but thats why they call it public service.
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