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On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'.
This one isn't smoke, it's fire.
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On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'.
Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph:
“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.”
Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself.
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On May 17 2017 06:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:41 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Plansix knows more about handling classified information than a woman who was a senator who served for 6 years on the armed services committee and was then Sec. of State for 5 years. Plansix also knows more about handling classified information than the current president of the United States.
Why did we have to choose between two such horrible people in 2016? Although Clinton violated the rules, so did Bush’s SoS. Specifically an AOL email address. And that investigation was garbage because it did not result in any substantive changes in the way congress or the executive branch handles emails.
I'm aware of the Bush aol.com accounts.
That has nothing to do with the fact that Clinton claimed in 2015 or 2016 she didn't know what the (C) marking stood for on an email, after serving for over a decade in various positions that required handling of classified information. So either she lied or she is the world's dumbest person. Also, Hillary Clinton was receiving information from an NSA Special Access Program on her personal email server via Sidney Blumenthal. That is absolutely inexcusable. The information about Clinton's server alone should have disqualified her from ever serving as President.
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Let's take the possibility that this investigation will be closed without any charges pressed against any of Trump's associates. What will the left do? What will the liberal media do? This is quite the gamble, I mean go ahead and report but it's clear if that scenario comes to fruition it will be a repeat of election day with obvious disdain on every outlet. From then on Trump will be the most powerful president to ever live imo, since the media will have lost so much credibility/ momentum/ammunition
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On May 17 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph: Show nested quote +“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.” Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself.
So why does Trump trying to get Comey to leave Flynn alone not bother you? Do you think it would be better for Flynn to still be around?
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I'm honestly surprised it was just the Flynn thing. Would've thought it would've been the whole russian investigation
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On May 17 2017 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.” Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself. So why does Trump trying to get Comey to leave Flynn alone not bother you? Do you think it would be better for Flynn to still be around?
Do we know that that is what Trump did? Look, there's definitely an appearance of impropriety with regards to Trump raising the topic. But at the end of the day, all he did was make an observation. And it's an observation that isn't uncommon in the legal world.
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I just decided to pop into the US thread since it is hot news at the moment (but when is it not with Donald Trump around?) and I am just suprised at people defending Donald Trump's actions. Like jeez, there's nothing wrong with revealing top secret intelligence information out of the blue and there's nothing wrong with asking the director of the FBI to drop an investigation? Really? Honest to god, there is nothing totally catastrophic to American security and democracy with this?
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On May 17 2017 06:54 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:49 Gahlo wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. He only asked him to stop the investigation, he didn't tell him to. The director of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the President, he doesn't actually pleasure the President. Only liberal hacks have their employees do that. This dinner was explicitly to determine if Comey would be staying in his job. It wasn't even innuendo that Comey's job was on the line when Trump asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation. EDIT: for the record, I blame the NY Field Office and their leaks to Guiliani and Chaffetz for Comey's actions regarding Clinton. They were leaking the Anthony Weiner stuff and forced Comey's hand. Comey should have stood up to that and shut it down without doing the Oct 28th hearing ... but he wasn't the central villain in that affair.
I didn't think think I needed to use /s outside of reddit.
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On an unrelated note: Anyone care to make a wild guess at how much information the IC is concealing from Trump?
I reckon there is a lot going on that Trump and all his staff have simply not been informed of. This isn't really surprising when you consider that the specifics of Project Venona was concealed from Pres. Harry Truman, a patriotic American if there ever was one, for his entire 6 years in office. Moreover, this was done at the request of General Omar Bradley, a WWII hero.
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I have never been a big fan, but Israel is totally the hero we need right now. We need some good ole fashioned deep-state smack down. As I understand, Israeli intelligence is among the top in the world right up there with US/CN/RU.
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On May 17 2017 07:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:On May 17 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.” Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself. So why does Trump trying to get Comey to leave Flynn alone not bother you? Do you think it would be better for Flynn to still be around? Do we know that that is what Trump did? Look, there's definitely an appearance of impropriety with regards to Trump raising the topic. But at the end of the day, all he did was make an observation. And it's an observation that isn't uncommon in the legal world.
So let's say it turns out Trump asked Comey to not investigate Flynn, as it certainly appears. What then? And would you prefer Flynn still be in Trump's administration right now?
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On May 17 2017 07:11 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
On an unrelated note: Anyone care to make a wild guess at how much information the IC is concealing from Trump?
I reckon there is a lot going on that Trump and all his staff have simply not been informed of. This isn't really surprising when you consider that the specifics of Project Venona was concealed from Pres. Harry Truman, a patriotic American if there ever was one, for his entire 6 years in office. Moreover, this was done at the request of General Omar Bradley, a WWII hero.
I was listening to NPR earlier, All Things Considered specifically. They had on an expert who said it wouldn't really affect the IC all that much to hide details and things from the president - they could just deal with McMasters, SoS, and Mattis, but that the real immediate consequence is that foreign sources will be much harder to turn and less trusting in general of the US due to the breech.
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On May 17 2017 07:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On May 17 2017 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:On May 17 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.” Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself. So why does Trump trying to get Comey to leave Flynn alone not bother you? Do you think it would be better for Flynn to still be around? Do we know that that is what Trump did? Look, there's definitely an appearance of impropriety with regards to Trump raising the topic. But at the end of the day, all he did was make an observation. And it's an observation that isn't uncommon in the legal world. So let's say it turns out Trump asked Comey to not investigate Flynn, as it certainly appears. What then? And would you prefer Flynn still be in Trump's administration right now?
No, Flynn should be not be part of the Trump administration.
If Trump did do anything to actually obstruct the investigation into Flynn, then he should be investigated as well.
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Just secondary confirmation
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On May 17 2017 07:05 biology]major wrote:
Let's take the possibility that this investigation will be closed without any charges pressed against any of Trump's associates. What will the left do? What will the liberal media do? This is quite the gamble, I mean go ahead and report but it's clear if that scenario comes to fruition it will be a repeat of election day with obvious disdain on every outlet. From then on Trump will be the most powerful president to ever live imo, since the media will have lost so much credibility/ momentum/ammunition
The Trump - Russia tie the last bullet in the so-called "Liberal" (which they are not) controlled medias have.
On May 17 2017 07:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I just decided to pop into the US thread since it is hot news at the moment (but when is it not with Donald Trump around?) and I am just suprised at people defending Donald Trump's actions. Like jeez, there's nothing wrong with revealing top secret intelligence information out of the blue and there's nothing wrong with asking the director of the FBI to drop an investigation? Really? Honest to god, there is nothing totally catastrophic to American security and democracy with this?
If he really did leak the source and the Russians end up leaking the source to Islam fundamentalists, then yes that's bad news for the source.
But the Potus isn't breaking any laws here.
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On May 17 2017 06:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 06:48 Plansix wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Plansix knows more about handling classified information than a woman who was a senator who served for 6 years on the armed services committee and was then Sec. of State for 5 years. Plansix also knows more about handling classified information than the current president of the United States.
Why did we have to choose between two such horrible people in 2016? Although Clinton violated the rules, so did Bush’s SoS. Specifically an AOL email address. And that investigation was garbage because it did not result in any substantive changes in the way congress or the executive branch handles emails. I'm aware of the Bush aol.com accounts. That has nothing to do with the fact that Clinton claimed in 2015 or 2016 she didn't know what the (C) marking stood for on an email, after serving for over a decade in various positions that required handling of classified information. So either she lied or she is the world's dumbest person. Also, Hillary Clinton was receiving information from an NSA Special Access Program on her personal email server via Sidney Blumenthal. That is absolutely inexcusable. The information about Clinton's server alone should have disqualified her from ever serving as President.
That is a completely valid opinion. I am not as well versed in the five separate investigations as I should be. Personally, I don’t like that she had a private server, but I had a hard time taking the charges seriously after endless investigations. But I also doubt that Congress holds itself or its staff to the standards they set forth for Clinton. And the end of the investigation should have resulted in updated guidelines. Both that investigation and Benghazi amounted to a whole lot of nothing for the American people. And I will never forgive congress for investing Benghazi when they cut and never restored funding for embassy protection.
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Realityisking, I didn't say or imply that he broke any laws. I don't know why you respond as if I had written so.
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On May 17 2017 07:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 07:05 Mohdoo wrote:On May 17 2017 06:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 17 2017 06:41 crms wrote:On May 17 2017 06:30 ticklishmusic wrote:Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation
WASHINGTON — President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.
“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.
The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.
Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
The Failing New York Times Add more smoke to the fire. Excited to see how xDaunt and Danglers spin this into their ever increasing web of 'meh not seeing the importance yet'. Here's the more complete quote once you get past the first paragraph: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”
Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.
Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: “I agree he is a good guy.” Trump is cutting it closer than he should, but that's not obstruction of justice by itself. So why does Trump trying to get Comey to leave Flynn alone not bother you? Do you think it would be better for Flynn to still be around? Do we know that that is what Trump did? Look, there's definitely an appearance of impropriety with regards to Trump raising the topic. But at the end of the day, all he did was make an observation. And it's an observation that isn't uncommon in the legal world.
Well, the quote was "“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”" So if that quote is correct, then yes it's crystal clear that Trump was asking Comey to "let Flynn go". Trump asked Comey to leave Flynn alone. Or are you questioning whether or not that statement was made in the first place? As in, you disagree with the source that is reporting said quote? Edit: Multiple sources are confirming it, so yes, Trump asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
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