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opisska
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:06 Gorsameth wrote: How are they managing to fuck this up? Did they seriously lose control of an entire carrier group? The official line was dead simple. "The carrier group is exactly where we want it to be and going where we want it to go". How do you fuck it up so badly that you are forced to admit you don't know where your own major military assets are, or what they are doing... A 5 year old could have handled this better because they have the wit to say "I meant to do that". I actually went with the 7D chess theory with this story at first, because I didn't actually believe they could fuck up this badly. Really hope America learns its lesson not to vote for any more celebrities. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:26 LegalLord wrote: Maybe there should have been an opponent put up to stop this guy whose depth of experience, record of success, and credibility would ensure that there would be no chance that some clown gets elected president. We shouldn't have risked our fortunes on some pie-in-the-sky fantasy candidates. This is some low quality garbage bait. You need to take a couple weeks off before you throw these out. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
The FBI last year used a dossier of allegations of Russian ties to Donald Trump's campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a Trump associate, according to US officials briefed on the investigation. The dossier has also been cited by FBI Director James Comey in some of his briefings to members of Congress in recent weeks, as one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation, according to US officials briefed on the probe. This includes approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to monitor the communications of Carter Page, two of the officials said. Last year, Page was identified by the Trump campaign as an adviser on national security. Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation. The officials would not say what or how much was corroborated. www.cnn.com | ||
opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: His new book Fox News: Killing Bill O'Reilly. https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/854766528473964544 Such a shame Jon Stewart doesn't currently have a show where he would do a proper commentary for this milestone | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:42 opisska wrote: Such a shame Jon Stewart doesn't currently have a show where he would do a proper commentary for this milestone He will come back for Hannity once some garbage comes out on him. | ||
Gahlo
United States35154 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:42 opisska wrote: Such a shame Jon Stewart doesn't currently have a show where he would do a proper commentary for this milestone Nonsense, he basically has carte blanche to go on Colbert's. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:13 opisska wrote: A cruise ship with casinos and all sorts of lavish nonsense would be much more fitting. Also totally empty all the time because nobody has any idea where it is. and the casino somehow goes bankrupt | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Imagine the shitshow if it was revealed that a Submarine was told to try and locate the carrier group before the Facebook post showed it's location. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
Of course the whole "show of force" things often don't make that much sense to me, since to me we all know what your military force is like already, and parking stuff nearby really doesn't change much. i'm probably just not the kind of person likely to care about such things, different psychology I suppose or something. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On April 20 2017 05:57 zlefin wrote: Come to think of it; how is it even all that relevant having an aircraft carrier near NK anyways? between Japan and SK we should have all the airbases we need in the area for anything anyways; adn if you were actually gonna take military action, it'd be more missile based than aircraft based. And even if you were using aircraft heavily, you'd want more than one carrier. Of course the whole "show of force" things often don't make that much sense to me, since to me we all know what your military force is like already, and parking stuff nearby really doesn't change much. i'm probably just not the kind of person likely to care about such things, different psychology I suppose or something. it's a more explicit sign of dominance to wave a massive, hulking aircraft carrier in Kim Jong Un's face | ||
Sermokala
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ChristianS
United States3188 Posts
On April 20 2017 04:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: His new book Fox News: Killing Bill O'Reilly. https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/854766528473964544 Shit, I was gonna make that joke | ||
pmh
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On April 20 2017 02:31 KwarK wrote: You're going to increasingly absurd lengths to try and explain why your description of the Kim regime being doomed, the people deserting the regime en masse, the state losing control of the country, the collapse of the military and state forces, the military going rogue and the end of North Korea as a state, all of which happen due to internal collapse, does not amount to a revolution. This entire argument could be settled if you'd just fucking admit that you were wrong when you said that a trade embargo would cause the collapse of the Korean state instead of this bullshit where you go "I never said it would collapse, I just described a collapse and implied that the things that happen when a state collapses would result from an embargo". I don't know exactly how much north korea depends on trade with china but a full trade embargo including china would probably undermine the state in the long run. If only because it is not only the population that would loose resources, the state itself would also loose resources undermining their capability to control the population. It wont be a revolution today or next year, decades of indoctrinating the population wont allow for that. But if it where to continue for 5-10 years then it could. I doubt it will be the population who would revolt though,but other high ranking officials might stage a coup. But all this is kinda irrelevant I think. China does not want the regime to collapse at, least not now. They would not allow democracy in north korea,it would remain a communist state so they would have to find another leader to takes kim,s place. And a credible leader to take kims place is not that easy to find,it might even be that the population of north korea would revolt against such a move! (I have no clue how far the indoctrination has gone and how loyal the population is to kim). So while probably not to found of kim particular,he is for now the only viable option there is for china. For the usa to think that china would wilingly give up their influence over north korea and allow it to become democratic and reunite with the south,i think that is just silly tbh. Why would china ever do that? I expect it will be 30-50 years at least before reunification but lets hope I am wrong. | ||
Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On April 20 2017 06:51 pmh wrote: I don't know exactly how much north korea depends on trade with china but a full trade embargo including china would probably undermine the state in the long run. If only because it is not only the population that would loose resources, the state itself would also loose resources undermining their capability to control the population. It wont be a revolution today or next year, decades of indoctrinating the population wont allow for that. But if it where to continue for 5-10 years then it could. I doubt it will be the population who would revolt though,but other high ranking officials might stage a coup. But all this is kinda irrelevant I think. China does not want the regime to collapse at, least not now. They would not allow democracy in north korea,it would remain a communist state so they would have to find another leader to takes kim,s place. And a credible leader to take kims place is not that easy to find,it might even be that the population of north korea would revolt against such a move! (I have no clue how far the indoctrination has gone and how loyal the population is to kim). So while probably not to found of kim particular,he is for now the only viable option there is for china. For the usa to think that china would wilingly give up their influence over north korea and allow it to become democratic and reunite with the south,i think that is just silly tbh. Why would china ever do that? I expect it will be 30-50 years at least before reunification but lets hope I am wrong. More likely would be North Korea "reuniting" with China in the Hong Kong model. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21705 Posts
On April 20 2017 07:30 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: I find this mildly amusing. Maybe don't vote for the exxon CEO with ties to Russia next time. https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/854789080625885186 Well it is certainly bold and unexpected... | ||
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