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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 18 2017 14:27 GMT
#147001
If Trump has legimately scared NK with his brinkmanship, I can support that.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
April 18 2017 14:31 GMT
#147002
The problem with that outlook is that a frightened North Korea and an end of the world insane North Korea look pretty much exactly alike.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 18 2017 14:32 GMT
#147003
SHANGHAI (AP) — On April 6, Ivanka Trump's company won provisional approval from the Chinese government for three new trademarks, giving it monopoly rights to sell Ivanka brand jewelry, bags and spa services in the world's second-largest economy. That night, the first daughter and her husband, Jared Kushner, sat next to the president of China and his wife for a steak and Dover sole dinner at Mar-a-Lago.

The scenario underscores how difficult it is for Trump, who has tried to distance herself from the brand that bears her name, to separate business from politics in her new position at the White House.

As the first daughter crafts a political career from her West Wing office, her brand is flourishing, despite boycotts and several stores limiting her merchandise. U.S. imports, almost all of them from China, shot up an estimated 166 percent last year, while sales hit record levels in 2017. The brand, which Trump still owns, says distribution is growing. It has launched new activewear and affordable jewelry lines and is working to expand its global intellectual property footprint. In addition to winning the approvals from China, Ivanka Trump Marks LLC applied for at least nine new trademarks in the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Canada and the U.S. after the election.

The commercial currents of the Trump White House are unprecedented in modern American politics, ethics lawyers say. They have created an unfamiliar landscape riven with ethical pitfalls, and forced consumers and retailers to wrestle with the unlikely passions now inspired by Ivanka Trump's mid-market collection of ruffled blouses, shifts and wedges.

Using the prestige of government service to build a brand is not illegal. But criminal conflict of interest law prohibits federal officials, like Trump and her husband, from participating in government matters that could impact their own financial interest or that of their spouse. Some argue that the more her business broadens its scope, the more it threatens to encroach on the ability of two trusted advisers to deliver credible counsel to the president on core issues like trade, intellectual property, and the value of the Chinese currency.

"Put the business on hold and stop trying to get trademarks while you're in government," advised Richard Painter, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer under George W. Bush.

To address ethical concerns, Trump has shifted the brand's assets to a family-run trust valued at more than $50 million and pledged to recuse herself from issues that present conflicts.

"Ivanka will not weigh in on business strategy, marketing issues, or the commercial terms of agreements," her attorney, Jamie Gorelick, said in a statement. "She has retained authority to direct the trustees to terminate agreements that she determines create a conflict of interest or the appearance of one."

In a recent interview with CBS News, Trump argued that her business would be doing even better if she hadn't moved to Washington and placed restrictions on her team to ensure that "any growth is done with extreme caution."

China, however, remains a nagging concern. "Ivanka has so many China ties and conflicts, yet she and Jared appear deeply involved in China contacts and policy. I would never have allowed it," said Norman Eisen, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer under Barack Obama. "For their own sake, and the country's, Ivanka and Jared should consider stepping away from China matters."

Instead, the first daughter and her husband have emerged as prominent interlocutors with China, where they have both had significant business ties. Last year, Kushner pursued hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate investments from Anbang Insurance Group, a financial conglomerate with close ties to the Chinese state. After media reports about the deal, talks were called off.


Source
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
April 18 2017 14:38 GMT
#147004
On April 18 2017 23:21 pmh wrote:
I didn't say I agree with it lol,and what do white males or a wall have to do with it? mental illness is colorblind as far as I know. your post is confusing,i don't get the point nor the intended sarcasm. @doodsmack.


Mental illness is colorblind in the sense that it's equally likely to affect all races. (at least from a genetic pov. I guess you can legitimately argue that PST or whatever can manifest itself like a mental illness would, and that more black people and arabs get PST because more of them live in war-zones.)
But it's not colorblind in the sense that white mentally ill people are just mentally ill people while mentally ill people of whatever other ethnicity or origin or whatever to some degree (more so than their white counterparts, anyway) end up being considered representations of their ethnicity or origin.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 18 2017 14:41 GMT
#147005
On April 18 2017 23:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
SHANGHAI (AP) — On April 6, Ivanka Trump's company won provisional approval from the Chinese government for three new trademarks, giving it monopoly rights to sell Ivanka brand jewelry, bags and spa services in the world's second-largest economy. That night, the first daughter and her husband, Jared Kushner, sat next to the president of China and his wife for a steak and Dover sole dinner at Mar-a-Lago.

The scenario underscores how difficult it is for Trump, who has tried to distance herself from the brand that bears her name, to separate business from politics in her new position at the White House.

As the first daughter crafts a political career from her West Wing office, her brand is flourishing, despite boycotts and several stores limiting her merchandise. U.S. imports, almost all of them from China, shot up an estimated 166 percent last year, while sales hit record levels in 2017. The brand, which Trump still owns, says distribution is growing. It has launched new activewear and affordable jewelry lines and is working to expand its global intellectual property footprint. In addition to winning the approvals from China, Ivanka Trump Marks LLC applied for at least nine new trademarks in the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Canada and the U.S. after the election.

The commercial currents of the Trump White House are unprecedented in modern American politics, ethics lawyers say. They have created an unfamiliar landscape riven with ethical pitfalls, and forced consumers and retailers to wrestle with the unlikely passions now inspired by Ivanka Trump's mid-market collection of ruffled blouses, shifts and wedges.

Using the prestige of government service to build a brand is not illegal. But criminal conflict of interest law prohibits federal officials, like Trump and her husband, from participating in government matters that could impact their own financial interest or that of their spouse. Some argue that the more her business broadens its scope, the more it threatens to encroach on the ability of two trusted advisers to deliver credible counsel to the president on core issues like trade, intellectual property, and the value of the Chinese currency.

"Put the business on hold and stop trying to get trademarks while you're in government," advised Richard Painter, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer under George W. Bush.

To address ethical concerns, Trump has shifted the brand's assets to a family-run trust valued at more than $50 million and pledged to recuse herself from issues that present conflicts.

"Ivanka will not weigh in on business strategy, marketing issues, or the commercial terms of agreements," her attorney, Jamie Gorelick, said in a statement. "She has retained authority to direct the trustees to terminate agreements that she determines create a conflict of interest or the appearance of one."

In a recent interview with CBS News, Trump argued that her business would be doing even better if she hadn't moved to Washington and placed restrictions on her team to ensure that "any growth is done with extreme caution."

China, however, remains a nagging concern. "Ivanka has so many China ties and conflicts, yet she and Jared appear deeply involved in China contacts and policy. I would never have allowed it," said Norman Eisen, who served as chief White House ethics lawyer under Barack Obama. "For their own sake, and the country's, Ivanka and Jared should consider stepping away from China matters."

Instead, the first daughter and her husband have emerged as prominent interlocutors with China, where they have both had significant business ties. Last year, Kushner pursued hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate investments from Anbang Insurance Group, a financial conglomerate with close ties to the Chinese state. After media reports about the deal, talks were called off.


Source


Compare the words spoken by Trump's voters against Hillary's corruption to Trump's family business activities while in office and it becomes clear how badly they got conned. The worst part is that you can tell he's a conman from a mile away.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 18 2017 14:49 GMT
#147006
A nonprofit organization that has orchestrated a wide-reaching campaign against foreign drug imports has deep ties to the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, the powerful lobbying group that includes Eli Lilly, Pfizer and Bayer.

The nonprofit, called the Partnership for Safe Medicines, has recently emerged as a leading voice against Senate bills that would allow drugs to be imported from Canada.

Both the lobbying group and the nonprofit partnership have gone to great lengths to show that drugmakers are not driving what they describe as a grass-roots effort to fight imports, including an expensive advertising blitz and an event last week that featured high-profile former FBI officials and a former Food and Drug Administration commissioner.

However, a Kaiser Health News analysis of groups involved in the partnership shows more than one-third have received PhRMA funding or are local chapters of groups that have received PhRMA funding, according to PhRMA tax disclosures from 2013 to 2015.

Forty-seven of the organizations listed in the ads appear to be advocacy organizations that received no money from PhRMA in those years.

A PhRMA senior vice president, Scott LaGanga, previously led the Partnership for Safe Medicines for 10 years. At PhRMA, LaGanga was responsible for the lobbying group's alliances with patient advocacy groups, and he was simultaneously listed as the executive director of the Partnership for Safe Medicines on each of that group's annual tax filings since 2007, the earliest year for which they are available from ProPublica's Nonprofit Explorer.

LaGanga wrote a 2011 article about the partnership's origins. Published in the Journal of Commercial Biotechnology, it described "public-private partnerships in addressing counterfeit medicines." His PhRMA job was not disclosed in the article.

From 2010 to 2014, the organization hosted a conference called the Partnership for Safe Medicines Interchange. In a video from a 2013 event, LaGanga thanks pharmaceutical companies, most of them PhRMA members, for sponsoring the event.

In February, LaGanga moved to a senior role at PhRMA and stepped down as executive director of the Partnership for Safe Medicines, just as the group's campaign to stop import legislation was revving up.

The partnership's new executive director, Shabbir Safdar, said LaGanga resigned from the group to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.

"That's why Scott's not executive director anymore," he said. PhRMA declined to make LaGanga available for an interview.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 16:25:42
April 18 2017 16:25 GMT
#147007
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15736 Posts
April 18 2017 16:55 GMT
#147008
On April 19 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/854102540333592576


If his constituency as a whole cared, wouldn't he not be elected? These town hall things seem somewhat pointless because there just aren't enough people who are mad. Or am I missing something?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 16:57:45
April 18 2017 16:57 GMT
#147009
I think the town hall things are partly to avoid appearing like an aloof washingtonian who never actually talks/listens to their constituents.

you can also sometimes help people with individual problems, or get a sense of how people are feeling. it's often different when you're hearing from a real person than getting a description of something.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 18 2017 17:04 GMT
#147010
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 18 2017 17:05 GMT
#147011
A Tuesday meeting of President Donald Trump's most senior advisers to discuss whether to remain in the Paris climate change agreement has been postponed, an administration official told POLITICO.

Trump's advisers have been divided over the agreement, which was backed by nearly 200 nations in 2015.

Chief strategist Steve Bannon and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt have called for the U.S. to withdraw from the agreement, but other Trump advisers such as senior adviser Jared Kushner are said to be in support of staying.

The advisers hope to make a recommendation to the president, who is expected to issue a final decision on the U.S. participation in the pact by late May.

It's unclear when the meeting will be rescheduled.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-18 17:27:01
April 18 2017 17:22 GMT
#147012
Trump is now getting the word that the rest of the world is trying to develop alternative energy sources and Paris agreement doesn’t kill the jobs he thought it did.

edit; That tweet from Ivanka could not have been set out at a worse time. But I’m sure it will be ignored until the Republicans realize they won’t accomplish anything with Trump.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
April 18 2017 17:31 GMT
#147013
It could not have been set at a worse time? It's from 2012..
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 18 2017 17:34 GMT
#147014
On April 19 2017 02:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
It could not have been set at a worse time? It's from 2012..

My mistake. This what I get for viewing it on my phone.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23617 Posts
April 18 2017 17:35 GMT
#147015
On April 18 2017 23:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
A nonprofit organization that has orchestrated a wide-reaching campaign against foreign drug imports has deep ties to the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, the powerful lobbying group that includes Eli Lilly, Pfizer and Bayer.

The nonprofit, called the Partnership for Safe Medicines, has recently emerged as a leading voice against Senate bills that would allow drugs to be imported from Canada.

Both the lobbying group and the nonprofit partnership have gone to great lengths to show that drugmakers are not driving what they describe as a grass-roots effort to fight imports, including an expensive advertising blitz and an event last week that featured high-profile former FBI officials and a former Food and Drug Administration commissioner.

However, a Kaiser Health News analysis of groups involved in the partnership shows more than one-third have received PhRMA funding or are local chapters of groups that have received PhRMA funding, according to PhRMA tax disclosures from 2013 to 2015.

Forty-seven of the organizations listed in the ads appear to be advocacy organizations that received no money from PhRMA in those years.

A PhRMA senior vice president, Scott LaGanga, previously led the Partnership for Safe Medicines for 10 years. At PhRMA, LaGanga was responsible for the lobbying group's alliances with patient advocacy groups, and he was simultaneously listed as the executive director of the Partnership for Safe Medicines on each of that group's annual tax filings since 2007, the earliest year for which they are available from ProPublica's Nonprofit Explorer.

LaGanga wrote a 2011 article about the partnership's origins. Published in the Journal of Commercial Biotechnology, it described "public-private partnerships in addressing counterfeit medicines." His PhRMA job was not disclosed in the article.

From 2010 to 2014, the organization hosted a conference called the Partnership for Safe Medicines Interchange. In a video from a 2013 event, LaGanga thanks pharmaceutical companies, most of them PhRMA members, for sponsoring the event.

In February, LaGanga moved to a senior role at PhRMA and stepped down as executive director of the Partnership for Safe Medicines, just as the group's campaign to stop import legislation was revving up.

The partnership's new executive director, Shabbir Safdar, said LaGanga resigned from the group to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest.

"That's why Scott's not executive director anymore," he said. PhRMA declined to make LaGanga available for an interview.


Source

Impossible, large sums of money don't influence Democratic representatives, only Republican ones.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 18 2017 18:43 GMT
#147016
In times of crisis, credibility is an American president’s most valuable currency. It’s one thing for a foreign partner to doubt a president’s judgment; it’s entirely more debilitating when that partner doubts the president’s word.
As President Trump confronts the twin challenges of North Korea and Syria, he must overcome a credibility gap of his own making. His insistence on remaining the most prominent consumer and purveyor of fake news and conspiracy theories is not only corrosive of our democracy — it’s dangerous to our national security. Every fact-averse tweet devalues his credibility at home and around the world. This matters more than ever when misinformation is a weapon of choice for our most dangerous adversaries.
Part of the problem is that Mr. Trump’s itchy Twitter finger can’t resist bluster. A series of sophomoric presidential missives — “North Korea is behaving very badly”; “North Korea is looking for trouble”; if China won’t help, “we will solve the problem without them! U.S.A.”; North Korea’s quest for a nuclear-tipped ICBM “won’t happen!” — has given Pyongyang a rare chance to take the high road. “Trump is always making provocations with his aggressive words,” its vice foreign minister declared.
Presidential bravado also risks North Korea taking him at his word, and miscalculating accordingly. Loose threats of pre-emptive military attacks could cause its leader, Kim Jong-un, to shoot first and worry about the consequences later — perhaps striking South Korea with conventional weapons to remind the world what he is capable of, if the United States seeks to eliminate his nuclear program. That’s a quick path to conflict with a volatile and nuclear-armed adversary.
Equally problematic is Mr. Trump’s challenged relationship with veracity, documented almost daily by independent fact-checking organizations. The greatest hits include his repeatedly debunked claim that former President Obama tapped his phones, that a nonexistent terrorist attack occurred in Sweden, that Germany owes NATO vast sums of money, that Mr. Obama released more than 100 detainees from Guantánamo who returned to the battlefield and that Democrats made up allegations about Russian efforts to influence our election. Mr. Trump’s canards risk undermining his ability to counter propaganda from our adversaries.

Source

Interesting opinion piece by an Obama State Dept official. I don't really agree with its conclusions about specific events but it does provide an interesting view into how FP worker folk view his "provocations." Thankfully the US's allies have a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome and will wait out any form of unpleasantness from our less-liked presidents.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28738 Posts
April 18 2017 18:59 GMT
#147017
I don't really know what you mean by saying that we have a severe case of stockholm syndrome. You've used that phrase on many occasions but I either feel like you don't know what the phrase means or that you don't understand US-euro relations.
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3292 Posts
April 18 2017 19:03 GMT
#147018
On April 19 2017 01:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/854102540333592576


If his constituency as a whole cared, wouldn't he not be elected? These town hall things seem somewhat pointless because there just aren't enough people who are mad. Or am I missing something?

I mean part of the significance is that his constituents might have soured on him since the last election. The stuff people are shouting about is the AHCA, Trump's tax returns, etc. any of these might be enough motivation to vote these guys out next time around, and if these guys are getting killed in their town hall meetings that's a decent barometer for how energized the opposition is.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 18 2017 19:06 GMT
#147019
On April 19 2017 04:03 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2017 01:55 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 19 2017 01:25 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/854102540333592576


If his constituency as a whole cared, wouldn't he not be elected? These town hall things seem somewhat pointless because there just aren't enough people who are mad. Or am I missing something?

I mean part of the significance is that his constituents might have soured on him since the last election. The stuff people are shouting about is the AHCA, Trump's tax returns, etc. any of these might be enough motivation to vote these guys out next time around, and if these guys are getting killed in their town hall meetings that's a decent barometer for how energized the opposition is.


There's also been a big difference between what the Republicans said they want to do but couldn't cause Obama and what they're doing now that they have no opposition and every congressional action/inaction is on the Republicans.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 18 2017 19:08 GMT
#147020
On April 19 2017 03:59 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't really know what you mean by saying that we have a severe case of stockholm syndrome. You've used that phrase on many occasions but I either feel like you don't know what the phrase means or that you don't understand US-euro relations.

You have a severe case of Stockholm syndrome in how hilariously willing European governments are to lap up with little complaint any of the stupid shit that our less likeable presidents - Bush II and Trump in this case - will throw out, and then continue to crawl back to the US as soon as they offer the mildest tidbit of kindness.

Yes, it is of course partially a result of dependence; the US is far more powerful than any individual European nation and there is not all that much they can do about it. But it is still fun to watch the way European mainstream leaders contort themselves into trying to distance themselves from Trump but not the US, after being Obama's greatest cheerleaders - in a funny see-saw of how American leadership is viewed.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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